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The only comment I would make about the essay quoted is that it seems to have been written around 1950.
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Would modern scholars in early Scottish history agree with the conclusions promulgated in a 1950 article. A lot of effort has been put in recent years to generate information on names in early charters, etc. It works better with most forms of science and history if the references you quote reflect more modern thinking on the subject. Anyway, the University of Strathclyde will sort out all Scottish history and it will all become done and dusted. Brian -----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Roy Sent: Monday, February 5, 2024 7:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [R1b-U106] New Big Y results; The Foster/Forrester ...........Wallace connection I would like to add a brief comment on A-6535, of which I am a member. While the Bruce grant of lands in Annandale dates to 1124, it appears that the 1st Lord of Annandale did not take up residence in Scotland, and while his earliest descendants may have done so, at least a few generations of them continued to be buried at estates in Yorkshire, England. Walter FitzAlan, meanwhile, after having to forfeit his baronial holdings in Shropshire and Norfolk due to his support for Empress Matilda, ventured north to Ayrshire at the invitation of David I, undoubtedly with his entire household and a large retinue of dependents in tow, in 1141, witnessing a charter for the king the following year. His mandate was to implant Norman style feudalism, for which purpose he created a system of vassals who were allotted holdings for their own maintenance in return for military and other service. The the Viking presence in the Isles remained a threat that did not abate until the Battle of Largs in 1263, after which grants of land were made to Boyds, Cunninghams and Muirs in Ayrshire for their role in the conflict. In fact, the surnames under A-6535 fit quite comfortably into Ayrshire: Among the FitzAlan/Stewart vassals are Richard Wallace and Peter de Curri, as well asTempleton, Pattison, and Thompson. My own Keys most likely derives from McKey, potentially traceable to a modern-day Keys Hill, which is probably identical to a feature that appears on a 17th century map as Makiestoun. The temptation to associate Peter de Curri with Annandale entails certain risks, as the Annandale name is invariably spelled with an "o", while the Ayrshire one is most often "u", e.g., Petrus de Curri (even though it may be rendered "Corrie" in modern sources). Black's Surnames, which refers to Currie as simply a variant of Corrie, mistakenly attributes a grant of land in Ayrshire in favour of Melrose Abbey to "Phillip de Curry", whereas it was in fact made by Peter. Another Curri, Perus or Piers, is identified as the knight whose name is linked to the Battle of Largs, where the Scottish contingents were almost certainly under the command of Alexander of Dundonald, High Steward of Scotland. It may be sheer coincidence that my first ancestor in Ireland, Duncan McKey, held the position of steward (seneschal) in the household of the undertaker (Plantation land grantee) Sir William Hamilton. Anyone wishing to explore the early Norman presence in Ayrshire further may consult this essay: <> Cheers, Roy |
