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Re: Question re: changes to haplogroup assignment


 

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Has either Iain Macdonald or FTDNA ever discussed this possibility with you Vince [?] and this particular ancient DNA sample.

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It would seem important enough that someone should pick up this question and try to run with it.? As FTDNA seem to include inputs from ancient DNA samples into their Haplotree of Mankind have you ever tried there.

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Next weekend some of us will be listening to the DNA presentations at the Houston FTDNA jamboree ¨C given your longstanding interests in these topics it seems to me as worthy of serious consideration.

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I do have one other individual I could approach to look at this topic ¨C but would prefer to discuss that option off-list for personal reasons.

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Brian

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Vince Tilroe
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 8:03 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [R1b-U106] Question re: changes to haplogroup assignment

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"First, we filter out samples with country/haplogroup combinations that don¡¯t make sense for Pre-Columbian travel. For example, Eurasian haplogroup R1b should not be in the United States, nor should Native American haplogroup Q-M3 be in Europe."

I really wish someone would seriously challenge the notion that there's absolutely no R1b inherent in native North Americans.? R1b-M269 is estimated to be approximately 19,000 years old (circa 17,000 BCE), branching off from R1-M173 just after the last glacial maximum period, during which the Bering Land Bridge was still traverse-able.

noticed that the ancient MA-1 specimen (upper paleolithic Mal'ta¨CBuret' culture from Siberia, the so-called Mal'ta Boy) shares ancestry with both Eurasians and Native North Americans, and is dated to approximately 24,000 ybp. I recall that a genetic genealogist on the old DNA-Forums.org site had investigated the Y-chromosome data for MA-1, and found that he may have branched off at an intermediate SNP within the R1-M173 block.

Consequently I hold onto the hypothesis that some Native North Americans may have branched off between R1-M173 (circa 20,000 BCE) and R1b-P297 (circa 12,000 BCE).

Best regards,

Vince T.

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