Re: Liptrap/Liptrot testing
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Okay, I looked at his STR results against a bunch of people who are at S6881 and beyond. 594187 is pretty far off-modal on some of the STRs making?me think he's probably not what you want him to be. For our best bet to tell if he's S6881 you'd have to test out to 67 STRs but he's already so far away from you that I can't see that he is closely related to you at all (looks like he's probably?15 GD at 37 STRs from you). Depending on what you want to do with his kit the cheap way would be to just test S6881. I think he's going to be negative (but I'm just guessing). You would have no idea what he is then without further testing but I don't know if you really care if he isn't in your group. It's certainly up to you but it looks like a shot in the dark to me.
Chris
On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 11:39 AM, 'Jim Liptrap' jim@... [R1b-S6881] <R1b-S6881@...> wrote:
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Yes, 594187 that¡¯s him ? ? ? Hi Jim, ? ?I'm sorry about the two from England. They are definitely the wrong group. Since they aren't even R1b they branched off from you in the way distant past and a long, long time before surnames so the connection is just a coincidence. As for the matches on your Ontario Liptrop, we do have a Taylor one step above S6881 but he's probably not closely related to your Ontario Liptrot. Is your Liptrot kit # 594187? I want to make sure I'm on the right person. Let me know. ? On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 8:15 PM, jim@... [R1b-S6881] <R1b-S6881@...> wrote: ? OK - Results - but no help.
I found two Liptrots in Wigan, and submitted the yDNA-37 test.? The first results came back yesterday? They matched ONLY each other - one step of 37 markers. (seriously - NO other matches!) The TIP Score indicates a common ancestor (reaches 90%) about 7 to 9 generations back - in the neighborhood of 1700. which would be a good scenario toward finding a relationship to Liptrap with BigY.
EXCEPT their haplotype is I-M253.? Scandinavian.? Either we are not related, or there was a 'Viking in the woodpile' sometime after Liptrap branched off but before their two branches diverged. ...And then the Viking died and left no other descendants....as did his brothers and cousins.? I guess.
This brings me back to the Liptrot from Ontario I tested last December.? At least he was R-M269.? That was also the yDNA-37 test.? His only 11 matches were all 4-step (of 37) matches to subjects named Taylor, Hoffner, Grevois,? Ingles, Donovan, Macklin, and Georgia.? Are any of these names matches to anyone in S6881? ? I was truly hoping some Liptrot would match to me.? Would it help to upgrade to yDNA-67?? Or to test directly for S6881?
Open to suggestions
Jim Liptrap ?
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