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All, I'm just going to jump in because I get lost quickly following some of this conversation.? What is the average amount of 111 matches?? I have 117 with the closet being at 4 steps, but one at 5

And I am sure you are aware Ed that Teague as a surname comes ultimately from the Irish given name Tadgh but also came to be used as a slang term for an Irish person. It is still used, derogatively,

I like Elizabeth using “cluster” in her recent reply. Also John provides great insight on surname history. The time and # of generation horizons makes logical analyses dynamic and uncertain.

Thanks. Clears it up perfectly. I simply misread earlier comments. Need a pint, apparently. Lol

Rusty, John’s note to you basically covers the concept that early CTS4466 gents freely travelled back/forth across the sea between the islands, so that a Z16252… man from Ireland could have

Rusty, The short (brief not irate) answer is your Sullivan Y DNA and surname firmly place your line in Munster up to and well after the adoption of hereditary surnames in Ireland from 900 AD. Indeed

By the wall, all, please don’t take my short inputs as me being… well, short. I am enjoying our discussion using my phone since am traveling. So, easier to be succinct/direct.

Elizabeth, I need some more clarity. Are you saying that Z16252 and A151 are Welsh, or just the name? Those SNPs have a diversity of surnames. Z16252 is (was?) believed to be Eoganachta with an age

Rusty, It is an unfortunate complication but people don't stay where they are put! Some Irish Y DNA haplotypes, having arrived in Ireland eons past and, subsequently mutated, retraced their

The adoption of surnames is fascinating. My one and only Y-111 match (at 9 steps) is a Connolly, which is very close to my own name “Conner”. Coincidence? I have reason to believe my American

Ok, now I am confused. If a Jones has the R-Z16252 SNP (which is believed to be of the Eoganachta Dynasty), how can he also be Welsh?

Yes Evan, as many things in society, the upper classes were earlier adopters. True in Ireland too although it started 500 years earlier. The religious were also early adopters in Ireland - Cle(a)ry

John, Thanks for pointing out that patronymics were used in Wales and we have to be careful.? You mentioned that they were fixed in 1536.? My understanding is that the adoption of fixed surnames

Separately some of you might find these sites useful? https://named.publicprofiler.org/ and https://www.surnamemap.eu/unitedkingdom/ I don't know where they get there data but they may be of some

I think you have misunderstood me Elizabeth. I was not arguing that these names are not Welsh, rather that we have to be careful not to line up all the Thomases together for

Hello, John. I know you’ve remarked about this Welsh name issue before, but surnames such as Jones, Morgan, Roberts, Davies, etc. are nevertheless considered Welsh surnames – just search

Thank you, John! I've just read the first chapter of Adams's *The First Kingdom*, and enjoyed it. He's a vivid prose stylist and gives you a nuanced sense of the post-Roman return to tribal

Sharon, We all have to be very careful when using Welsh surnames to identify distinct lineages and locations. Welsh surnames are problematic since hereditary surnames were only adopted from the

Hi Tim, The sources of information about the Uí Liatháin parallel their thin and scattered Y DNA ?! For their history in Ireland up the demise of their polity in the early 1200's, the best

Dear Tim, I’m not going to wade into the deep waters you and your correspondents have been swimming in but wanted to let you know that I’m trying to follow it all (trying!) because I'm a Caldwell