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yeah they dont have a ydna specific test but they did something to figure it out anyway.? this chart shows matches in my DNA of other people that are only a DNA match to my Ydna side.? So even without the Ydna test they are able to figure stuff out.? I was just wondering if on the other sites they have similar charts for the more specific Ydna info
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Thanks Rusty, do I need to update?the chart? It seems like many Sullivans had land in NC.?
On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 3:46?PM Rusty Sullivan < gunshipfco@...> wrote: Drew, I forgot to tell you when I saw this on the Facebook group that my line is under the R-Z16252 line and my earliest known Sullivan ancestor lived in North Carolina and was born in 1732.? My FTDNA profile number is B327919 if you want to take a look at it on my family tree. On Mar 26, 2023, at 16:40, Paul O'Donnell via <absentplodder=[email protected]> wrote:
?Drew, You joined this group on 21 Jan last, that is why you are receiving these messages.?
The Bell Beaker Culture was displaced by other cultures maybe around 1800BC in Ireland. Irish Type II (IT2) is a lineage around a mutation which dates from significantly later.?
Paul O'Donnell
-- Drew Sullivan 720-451-4728
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Right Thanks Paul, I hadn't?known by haplogroup past R-M269 at the time. I thought I may have been removed. I am interested in your findings regarding CTS4466 also since the Sullivan chief branch is downstream. Thanks
On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 3:40?PM Paul O'Donnell via <absentplodder= [email protected]> wrote: Drew, You joined this group on 21 Jan last, that is why you are receiving these messages.?
The Bell Beaker Culture was displaced by other cultures maybe around 1800BC in Ireland. Irish Type II (IT2) is a lineage around a mutation which dates from significantly later.?
Paul O'Donnell
-- Drew Sullivan 720-451-4728
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Drew, I forgot to tell you when I saw this on the Facebook group that my line is under the R-Z16252 line and my earliest known Sullivan ancestor lived in North Carolina and was born in 1732. ?My FTDNA profile number is B327919 if you want to take a look at it on my family tree.
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On Mar 26, 2023, at 16:40, Paul O'Donnell via groups.io <absentplodder@...> wrote:
?Drew, You joined this group on 21 Jan last, that is why you are receiving these messages.?
The Bell Beaker Culture was displaced by other cultures maybe around 1800BC in Ireland. Irish Type II (IT2) is a lineage around a mutation which dates from significantly later.?
Paul O'Donnell
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Drew, You joined this group on 21 Jan last, that is why you are receiving these messages.?
The Bell Beaker Culture was displaced by other cultures maybe around 1800BC in Ireland. Irish Type II (IT2) is a lineage around a mutation which dates from significantly later.?
Paul O'Donnell
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Many McCarthy, O'Keefes, and others in Munster are?known CTS4466. See video:?
I made?a chart for the O'Sullivan surname FTDNA project that shows the branch of CTS4466. Y700 Testing is needed in a surname or haplogroup? project to find ancient and medieval origins.?
On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 2:48?PM Hawkeye Productions via <hawkeyeproinc= [email protected]> wrote: I am not CTS4466 so I am not sure why I am in this thread. My fellow Sullivan clansmen are though. I am in the Z253 line like the O'Briens and Kennedys, the chief line of the O'SullivanClann is downstream of? R1b-L21 DF13 FGC11134 A353 Z16250 A114 CTS4466 S1115 FGC84010 A541 S1121 L270 Z16521 FT43021 A1133
From what I understand CTS4466 is considered?Irish Type II and spread in Munster displacing the Bell Beakers. Obviously, it came across the European continent?eons before.?
David,
Ancestry doesn't do Y DNA at all...the map you are seeing?is their general map for autosomal origins,?not anything to do with Y DNA.
Proper Y DNA testing is done elsewhere, the most?popular and the one that links mainly to this project is via FamilyTree DNA. Y DNA goes back thousands of years, and the results?will show when and how you connect with other males in the database. Maps aren't the same thing, though we can deduce where certain ancestral?poits?are when you compare other more distant matches. There are a variety of tools available once BigY testing is done.
Have you done Y DNA testing at FT DNA?
Lucas McCaw
is there a chart like this for Ydna?
I can see Ancestry shows a specific geographical area on my Ydna side
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Drew Sullivan 720-451-4728
-- Drew Sullivan 720-451-4728
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I made?a chart for the O'Sullivan surname FTDNA project that shows the branch of CTS4466. Y700 Testing is needed in a surname or haplogroup? project to find ancient and medieval origins.?
On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 2:48?PM Hawkeye Productions via <hawkeyeproinc= [email protected]> wrote:
I am not CTS4466 so I am not sure why I am in this thread. My fellow Sullivan clansmen are though. I am in the Z253 line like the O'Briens and Kennedys, the chief line of the O'SullivanClann is downstream of? R1b-L21 DF13 FGC11134 A353 Z16250 A114 CTS4466 S1115 FGC84010 A541 S1121 L270 Z16521 FT43021 A1133
From what I understand CTS4466 is considered?Irish Type II and spread in Munster displacing the Bell Beakers. Obviously, it came across the European continent?eons before.?
David,
Ancestry doesn't do Y DNA at all...the map you are seeing?is their general map for autosomal origins,?not anything to do with Y DNA.
Proper Y DNA testing is done elsewhere, the most?popular and the one that links mainly to this project is via FamilyTree DNA. Y DNA goes back thousands of years, and the results?will show when and how you connect with other males in the database. Maps aren't the same thing, though we can deduce where certain ancestral?poits?are when you compare other more distant matches. There are a variety of tools available once BigY testing is done.
Have you done Y DNA testing at FT DNA?
Lucas McCaw
is there a chart like this for Ydna?
I can see Ancestry shows a specific geographical area on my Ydna side
?
--
Drew Sullivan 720-451-4728
-- Drew Sullivan 720-451-4728
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I am not CTS4466 so I am not sure why I am in this thread. My fellow Sullivan clansmen are though. I am in the Z253 line like the O'Briens and Kennedys, the chief line of the O'SullivanClann is downstream of? R1b-L21 DF13 FGC11134 A353 Z16250 A114 CTS4466 S1115 FGC84010 A541 S1121 L270 Z16521 FT43021 A1133
From what I understand CTS4466 is considered?Irish Type II and spread in Munster displacing the Bell Beakers. Obviously, it came across the European continent?eons before.?
David,
Ancestry doesn't do Y DNA at all...the map you are seeing?is their general map for autosomal origins,?not anything to do with Y DNA.
Proper Y DNA testing is done elsewhere, the most?popular and the one that links mainly to this project is via FamilyTree DNA. Y DNA goes back thousands of years, and the results?will show when and how you connect with other males in the database. Maps aren't the same thing, though we can deduce where certain ancestral?poits?are when you compare other more distant matches. There are a variety of tools available once BigY testing is done.
Have you done Y DNA testing at FT DNA?
Lucas McCaw
is there a chart like this for Ydna?
I can see Ancestry shows a specific geographical area on my Ydna side
?
-- Drew Sullivan 720-451-4728
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David,
Ancestry doesn't do Y DNA at all...the map you are seeing?is their general map for autosomal origins,?not anything to do with Y DNA.
Proper Y DNA testing is done elsewhere, the most?popular and the one that links mainly to this project is via FamilyTree DNA. Y DNA goes back thousands of years, and the results?will show when and how you connect with other males in the database. Maps aren't the same thing, though we can deduce where certain ancestral?poits?are when you compare other more distant matches. There are a variety of tools available once BigY testing is done.
Have you done Y DNA testing at FT DNA?
Lucas McCaw
is there a chart like this for Ydna?
I can see Ancestry shows a specific geographical area on my Ydna side
?
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is there a chart like this for Ydna?
I can see Ancestry shows a specific geographical area on my Ydna side
?
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Hi guys,
I was at a dinner in Cork city a couple of years ago when the conversation at the table turned to genetic genealogy (?).
I was explaining the limitations of autosomal DNA, how you can only go back 200 - 250 years because the signal becomes too diluted.
And also making the point that essential genes tend to be conserved.?
I used the example of haemoglobin as an essential protein / gene. Only to learn that one of the men at the table had a variant associated with resistance to malaria found in the Mediterranean and ?frica. He said that his granny always said that there was Spanish blood in the family - a sailor from over the hill in Ventry (on the Dingle peninsula) ?.
John.?
Elizabeth, it would be a great great grandparent, simply by doing the math, dividing each generation's contribution by half, 50/50, 25/25, 12.5/12.5 and 6.25/6.25. However, due the random nature of autosomal genetic inheritance, it could be much further back,
as some genes may persist from one generation, to the next. My wife's brother is 36% Scandinavian in his autosomal DNA breakdown, my wife has 14% Scandinavian in her breakdown and my middle sister-in-law tested her autosomal DNA, in hopes of revelling her
Viking ancestry, her results came back without a scrap of Scandinavian DNA, yes, they all have the same parents and look like each other, no milkmen involved. Needless to say, she wasn't happy but that's the random nature of Autosomal DNA, you can predict
what 50% of their genes, your parents will pass on to you. I could also be that my wife and her brother used MyHeritage and my sister-in-law used Ancestry, they both use different test platforms and have different criteria for regional/race attribution.?
Slan go foill
Phil?
Hi, David.
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That¡¯s your atDNA results, which come from both sides of your family.? I don¡¯t see any obvious Hispanic surnames in your family tree, but at 7%, it would be some way
back in your family history.? My expertise in atDNA is limited ¨C would anyone have an idea of how many generations back 7% might be?
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Elizabeth
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im not sure how to tell i see this in the tool
the blue one is listed as iberian
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Elizabeth, it would be a great great grandparent, simply by doing the math, dividing each generation's contribution by half, 50/50, 25/25, 12.5/12.5 and 6.25/6.25. However, due the random nature of autosomal genetic inheritance, it could be much further back,
as some genes may persist from one generation, to the next. My wife's brother is 36% Scandinavian in his autosomal DNA breakdown, my wife has 14% Scandinavian in her breakdown and my middle sister-in-law tested her autosomal DNA, in hopes of revelling her
Viking ancestry, her results came back without a scrap of Scandinavian DNA, yes, they all have the same parents and look like each other, no milkmen involved. Needless to say, she wasn't happy but that's the random nature of Autosomal DNA, you can predict
what 50% of their genes, your parents will pass on to you. I could also be that my wife and her brother used MyHeritage and my sister-in-law used Ancestry, they both use different test platforms and have different criteria for regional/race attribution.?
Slan go foill
Phil?
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Hi, David.
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That¡¯s your atDNA results, which come from both sides of your family.? I don¡¯t see any obvious Hispanic surnames in your family tree, but at 7%, it would be some way
back in your family history.? My expertise in atDNA is limited ¨C would anyone have an idea of how many generations back 7% might be?
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Elizabeth
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im not sure how to tell i see this in the tool
the blue one is listed as iberian
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Hi, David. ? That¡¯s your atDNA results, which come from both sides of your family.? I don¡¯t see any obvious Hispanic surnames in your family tree, but at 7%, it would be some way back in your family history.? My expertise in atDNA is limited ¨C would anyone have an idea of how many generations back 7% might be? ? Elizabeth ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of David Delacy
Sent: 25 March 2023 18:00
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Subject: Re: [R1b-CTS4466-Plus] What ChatGPT Thinks of CTS4466? im not sure how to tell i see this in the tool the blue one is listed as iberian ? ? 
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im not sure how to tell i see this in the tool
the blue one is listed as iberian
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David, lucky you, I'm as pasty white as they come, we immigrated from Northern Ireland to Western Australia - why did my ginger father do that to us. :0)?
Slan go foill
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Hi Elizabeth, That is a really good write up.? My dna does show iberian stuff i guess thats why i tan so easily. :)
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David, I¡¯m not too clear what you mean.? Which write up are you referring to?? And, are you referring to YDNA or atDNA?? Have you been able to identify if the ¡®Iberian stuff¡¯ is on the male or female side?? E ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of David Delacy
Sent: 25 March 2023 16:42
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Subject: Re: [R1b-CTS4466-Plus] What ChatGPT Thinks of CTS4466? Hi Elizabeth, That is a really good write up.? My dna does show iberian stuff i guess thats why i tan so easily. :)
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Hi Elizabeth, That is a really good write up.? My dna does show iberian stuff i guess thats why i tan so easily. :)
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James, did you see what ChatGPT had to say about FGC11134?? Or ask it what it thinks of Lara Cassidy¡¯s Neolithic and Bronze Age migration to Ireland and establishment of the insular Atlantic genome (mentioned on the website) or A Genomic Compendium of an Island, which is the paper John was referring to about the specific FGC11134 samples (and should be added to the website as well). ?How smart is our new AI chatbot?? ? ? Elizabeth ? PS? As a reminder to all, John asked Lara for access to the raw data and I sent Dan Bradley a note and follow-up about getting access.? Neither of them have been forthcoming. ?
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Subject: Re: [R1b-CTS4466-Plus] What ChatGPT Thinks of CTS4466? I was just going to make that point. Ancient remains give us a location for individuals with a given haplotype. PG911 found at the Pollnagollum Cave in County Fermanagh is FGC11134+ (upstream of CTS4466) and dated to 4192 ybp, a date that is very close to the estimated origin date for this SNP. The remains of a? second FGC11134+ man, TR116, was found at Treanmacmurtagh in County Sligo, relatively close by in geography (50 km / 30 mi) but dated to around 250 years more recently. We can only speculate on where FGC11134 originally occurred but the closeness of the date of the Pollnagollum? remains and the age of this SNP suggests it occurred close by in the north of Ireland or in northern Britain? CTS4466 mutated considerably more recently and I think it is likely that this occurred on the island of Ireland, perhaps in the southern part of the island. But people don't just travel in one direction (my parents migrated to England from Ireland and I migrated back) so there is scope for a bit of to-ing and fro-ing in the nearly 2000 years between FGC11134 and CTS4466. More ancient DNA would help but this has been problematic in Ireland for a variety of reasons including cremation. ? On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 10:40?AM Elizabeth <elizabeth@...> wrote: Hello, Phil. ? You should read through the project pages, particularly the Results page - .? The Origins section discusses the possibilities.? The Ancient Irish DNA section could use some updating, but there is a lot of chat on our Forum from August 2020 entitled ¡®Two CTS4466 predecessors in Ireland 4,000 years ago?¡¯ ? When you need to use probabilities and possibilities when discussing data, it¡¯s never straightforward. ? Elizabeth ? ? Elizabeth, I thought the origin of CTS4466 was in Ireland, more particularly, Southern Ireland. I know our ancestors came from mainland Europe, but I thought L21, was probably our last mainland ancestor?
Thanks, James.? Quite interesting to see the amount of boilerplate info attached to somewhat inaccurate information.? So where are all the French folks?? Certainly not in our project¡? Parlez-vous fran?ais as well, Paul? ?? And all those Basque?? And possible famous individuals?? Amusing fabrications.? This level of silliness does very little to give one any sense of faith in the future validity of such an app. ? As you say, James.? References would be helpful.? Maybe someday. ? Elizabeth ? ? I have certainly been far to narrow in my focus on gathering new members. I am going to have to learn Spanish, and perhaps Basque ? ? ? In case anyone is curious about ChatGPT's "thoughts" on the origins of CTS4466:
Prompt: ?Where did R1b-CTS4466 originate? R1b-CTS4466 is a subclade of the R1b haplogroup, which is one of the most common Y-chromosome haplogroups among males in Western Europe. The R1b haplogroup is believed to have originated in the Near East or Southwest Asia, and it spread to Europe during the Neolithic period, around 8,000 years ago, with the arrival of farming. The R1b-CTS4466 subclade is a more recent branch of R1b and is estimated to have emerged approximately 4,000-4,500 years ago. While the exact origins of R1b-CTS4466 are not entirely clear, it appears to be associated with the spread of the Bell Beaker culture in Western Europe during the Bronze Age. The Bell Beaker culture is believed to have originated in the Iberian Peninsula and spread throughout much of Western Europe between 2800-1800 BCE. The Bell Beaker people are known for their distinctive pottery and their use of metalworking technology, such as bronze and copper, as well as for their burial customs. Genetic studies have found that R1b-CTS4466 is particularly common in Western Europe, including in the British Isles, the Iberian Peninsula, and France, which are regions that were heavily influenced by the Bell Beaker culture. This suggests that R1b-CTS4466 may have been spread by the Bell Beaker people as they migrated throughout Europe during the Bronze Age. However, additional research is needed to confirm this hypothesis.
Here it¡¯s obviously referencing the Bell Beaker papers and seems unaware of new publications.? So not too terrible and on par with what 23andMe would tell a tester based on their chip panel. Asking for examples of famous individuals... it seems to straight be making things up. The locations and people aren¡¯t just implausible but are impossible in some cases. Response: It's not possible to determine the Y-chromosome haplogroup of historical figures without direct genetic testing, so we cannot definitively say who some famous R1b-CTS4466 men were. However, based on the prevalence of the R1b-CTS4466 subclade in certain populations, it is possible that some historical figures were carriers of this haplogroup. For example, R1b-CTS4466 is relatively common in the British Isles, where it is estimated to be present in about 8% of the male population. Some famous historical figures who were likely of British or Irish descent and could have carried this haplogroup include King Arthur, William the Conqueror, and St. Patrick. R1b-CTS4466 is also found at high frequencies in the Basque Country, which is an area in Northern Spain and Southwest France. Some famous Basque people who could have carried this haplogroup include the explorer Juan Sebasti¨¢n Elcano and the philosopher Miguel de Unamuno. It's important to note that while certain haplogroups may be more common in certain populations, it is not possible to determine a person's ancestry or ethnicity based solely on their haplogroup. Haplogroups are just one piece of genetic information and do not provide a complete picture of a person's genetic heritage.
? The tool is interesting for sure but has a long way to go before it¡¯s actually useful, especially since it doesn¡¯t provide references for its assertions.? If anyone would like to see something else from the bot and doesn¡¯t have an account of their own let me know.
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Yes Elizabeth,
I was just going to make that point.
Ancient remains give us a location for individuals with a given haplotype.
PG911 found at the Pollnagollum Cave in County Fermanagh is FGC11134+ (upstream of CTS4466) and dated to 4192 ybp, a date that is very close to the estimated origin date for this SNP. The remains of a? second FGC11134+ man, TR116, was found at Treanmacmurtagh in County Sligo, relatively close by in geography (50 km / 30 mi) but dated to around 250 years more recently.
We can only speculate on where FGC11134 originally occurred but the closeness of the date of the Pollnagollum? remains and the age of this SNP suggests it occurred close by in the north of Ireland or in northern Britain?
CTS4466 mutated considerably more recently and I think it is likely that this occurred on the island of Ireland, perhaps in the southern part of the island. But people don't just travel in one direction (my parents migrated to England from Ireland and I migrated back) so there is scope for a bit of to-ing and fro-ing in the nearly 2000 years between FGC11134 and CTS4466.
More ancient DNA would help but this has been problematic in Ireland for a variety of reasons including cremation.
John.
On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 10:40?AM Elizabeth < elizabeth@...> wrote: Hello, Phil. ? You should read through the project pages, particularly the Results page - .? The Origins section discusses the possibilities.? The Ancient Irish DNA section could use some updating, but there is a lot of chat on our Forum from August 2020 entitled ¡®Two CTS4466 predecessors in Ireland 4,000 years ago?¡¯ ? When you need to use probabilities and possibilities when discussing data, it¡¯s never straightforward. ? Elizabeth ? ? Elizabeth, I thought the origin of CTS4466 was in Ireland, more particularly, Southern Ireland. I know our ancestors came from mainland Europe, but I thought L21, was probably our last mainland ancestor?
Thanks, James.? Quite interesting to see the amount of boilerplate info attached to somewhat inaccurate information.? So where are all the French folks?? Certainly not in our project¡? Parlez-vous fran?ais as well, Paul? ?? And all those Basque?? And possible famous individuals?? Amusing fabrications.? This level of silliness does very little to give one any sense of faith in the future validity of such an app. ? As you say, James.? References would be helpful.? Maybe someday. ? Elizabeth ? ? I have certainly been far to narrow in my focus on gathering new members. I am going to have to learn Spanish, and perhaps Basque ? ? ? In case anyone is curious about ChatGPT's "thoughts" on the origins of CTS4466:
Prompt: ?Where did R1b-CTS4466 originate? R1b-CTS4466 is a subclade of the R1b haplogroup, which is one of the most common Y-chromosome haplogroups among males in Western Europe. The R1b haplogroup is believed to have originated in the Near East or Southwest Asia, and it spread to Europe during the Neolithic period, around 8,000 years ago, with the arrival of farming. The R1b-CTS4466 subclade is a more recent branch of R1b and is estimated to have emerged approximately 4,000-4,500 years ago. While the exact origins of R1b-CTS4466 are not entirely clear, it appears to be associated with the spread of the Bell Beaker culture in Western Europe during the Bronze Age. The Bell Beaker culture is believed to have originated in the Iberian Peninsula and spread throughout much of Western Europe between 2800-1800 BCE. The Bell Beaker people are known for their distinctive pottery and their use of metalworking technology, such as bronze and copper, as well as for their burial customs. Genetic studies have found that R1b-CTS4466 is particularly common in Western Europe, including in the British Isles, the Iberian Peninsula, and France, which are regions that were heavily influenced by the Bell Beaker culture. This suggests that R1b-CTS4466 may have been spread by the Bell Beaker people as they migrated throughout Europe during the Bronze Age. However, additional research is needed to confirm this hypothesis.
Here it¡¯s obviously referencing the Bell Beaker papers and seems unaware of new publications.? So not too terrible and on par with what 23andMe would tell a tester based on their chip panel. Asking for examples of famous individuals... it seems to straight be making things up. The locations and people aren¡¯t just implausible but are impossible in some cases. Response: It's not possible to determine the Y-chromosome haplogroup of historical figures without direct genetic testing, so we cannot definitively say who some famous R1b-CTS4466 men were. However, based on the prevalence of the R1b-CTS4466 subclade in certain populations, it is possible that some historical figures were carriers of this haplogroup. For example, R1b-CTS4466 is relatively common in the British Isles, where it is estimated to be present in about 8% of the male population. Some famous historical figures who were likely of British or Irish descent and could have carried this haplogroup include King Arthur, William the Conqueror, and St. Patrick. R1b-CTS4466 is also found at high frequencies in the Basque Country, which is an area in Northern Spain and Southwest France. Some famous Basque people who could have carried this haplogroup include the explorer Juan Sebasti¨¢n Elcano and the philosopher Miguel de Unamuno. It's important to note that while certain haplogroups may be more common in certain populations, it is not possible to determine a person's ancestry or ethnicity based solely on their haplogroup. Haplogroups are just one piece of genetic information and do not provide a complete picture of a person's genetic heritage.
? The tool is interesting for sure but has a long way to go before it¡¯s actually useful, especially since it doesn¡¯t provide references for its assertions.? If anyone would like to see something else from the bot and doesn¡¯t have an account of their own let me know.
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Hello, Phil. ? You should read through the project pages, particularly the Results page - .? The Origins section discusses the possibilities.? The Ancient Irish DNA section could use some updating, but there is a lot of chat on our Forum from August 2020 entitled ¡®Two CTS4466 predecessors in Ireland 4,000 years ago?¡¯ ? When you need to use probabilities and possibilities when discussing data, it¡¯s never straightforward. ? Elizabeth ?
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Sent: 25 March 2023 06:41
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Subject: Re: [R1b-CTS4466-Plus] What ChatGPT Thinks of CTS4466? Elizabeth, I thought the origin of CTS4466 was in Ireland, more particularly, Southern Ireland. I know our ancestors came from mainland Europe, but I thought L21, was probably our last mainland ancestor?
Thanks, James.? Quite interesting to see the amount of boilerplate info attached to somewhat inaccurate information.? So where are all the French folks? ?Certainly not in our project¡? Parlez-vous fran?ais as well, Paul? ?? And all those Basque?? And possible famous individuals?? Amusing fabrications.? This level of silliness does very little to give one any sense of faith in the future validity of such an app. ? As you say, James.? References would be helpful.? Maybe someday. ? Elizabeth ? ? I have certainly been far to narrow in my focus on gathering new members. I am going to have to learn Spanish, and perhaps Basque ? ? ? In case anyone is curious about ChatGPT's "thoughts" on the origins of CTS4466:
Prompt: ?Where did R1b-CTS4466 originate? R1b-CTS4466 is a subclade of the R1b haplogroup, which is one of the most common Y-chromosome haplogroups among males in Western Europe. The R1b haplogroup is believed to have originated in the Near East or Southwest Asia, and it spread to Europe during the Neolithic period, around 8,000 years ago, with the arrival of farming. The R1b-CTS4466 subclade is a more recent branch of R1b and is estimated to have emerged approximately 4,000-4,500 years ago. While the exact origins of R1b-CTS4466 are not entirely clear, it appears to be associated with the spread of the Bell Beaker culture in Western Europe during the Bronze Age. The Bell Beaker culture is believed to have originated in the Iberian Peninsula and spread throughout much of Western Europe between 2800-1800 BCE. The Bell Beaker people are known for their distinctive pottery and their use of metalworking technology, such as bronze and copper, as well as for their burial customs. Genetic studies have found that R1b-CTS4466 is particularly common in Western Europe, including in the British Isles, the Iberian Peninsula, and France, which are regions that were heavily influenced by the Bell Beaker culture. This suggests that R1b-CTS4466 may have been spread by the Bell Beaker people as they migrated throughout Europe during the Bronze Age. However, additional research is needed to confirm this hypothesis.
Here it¡¯s obviously referencing the Bell Beaker papers and seems unaware of new publications. ?So not too terrible and on par with what 23andMe would tell a tester based on their chip panel. Asking for examples of famous individuals... it seems to straight be making things up. The locations and people aren¡¯t just implausible but are impossible in some cases. Response: It's not possible to determine the Y-chromosome haplogroup of historical figures without direct genetic testing, so we cannot definitively say who some famous R1b-CTS4466 men were. However, based on the prevalence of the R1b-CTS4466 subclade in certain populations, it is possible that some historical figures were carriers of this haplogroup. For example, R1b-CTS4466 is relatively common in the British Isles, where it is estimated to be present in about 8% of the male population. Some famous historical figures who were likely of British or Irish descent and could have carried this haplogroup include King Arthur, William the Conqueror, and St. Patrick. R1b-CTS4466 is also found at high frequencies in the Basque Country, which is an area in Northern Spain and Southwest France. Some famous Basque people who could have carried this haplogroup include the explorer Juan Sebasti¨¢n Elcano and the philosopher Miguel de Unamuno. It's important to note that while certain haplogroups may be more common in certain populations, it is not possible to determine a person's ancestry or ethnicity based solely on their haplogroup. Haplogroups are just one piece of genetic information and do not provide a complete picture of a person's genetic heritage.
? The tool is interesting for sure but has a long way to go before it¡¯s actually useful, especially since it doesn¡¯t provide references for its assertions. ?If anyone would like to see something else from the bot and doesn¡¯t have an account of their own let me know.
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