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Re: Ogham Stone clues


 

Thanks again Elizabeth,

All new information for me.? ?
I see that building an understanding of Irish names (surnames, middle, given) is like solving a 3D Rubik's?cube.? ?On one side are our Haplogroup Subclades through DNA testing,?to confirm the relevant paternal and descendant blocks to explore.? Another is the combined family histories, both paper trail and confirmed family history and fact base.? ? "Putting a face on the data" is an approach we used in our consulting work to bring hard data (e.g., SNPs) to life at points and places in time.? The third side is the relevant place-based cultural and historic context relevant to Irish/New World emigration since the 1700's.? ? Sorting through mass peak Famine emigration from Cork and Kerry in 1847-49 is a challenging problem many of us still struggle to simplify and solve.? ??

Ancient to modern history in Ireland and in America for our family provides facts and helps build insights and theories for filling in blanks missing in our paper trail and family evolution of many generations.? ? Learning about Brehon Law, Penal Law and Irish traditional naming conventions provide perspective and help?me "look around corners" in narrowing down searches to break through our Sullivan and Harrington brick walls around the peak Famine years.? ? This blog provides helpful insights on what other citizen genealogists and supporting administrators think and are doing, which is why I enjoy this group.? ?And personal follow up by others who care about our Irish histories and experiences continues to amaze me.? ?Thank you Elizabeth and group members.

Ed

On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 10:16 AM Elizabeth <elizabeth@...> wrote:

Hello, Ed.

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You shouldn¡¯t forget that the druids were Vates, Filidhs and Bards, ranks which describe Ritual Priests, Seers, and Poet/Singers.? The ¡®recorded¡¯ history of the land was oral, and druidic students spent years memorizing extraordinarily long poems that were recited at banquets and feasts, celebrating the bravery of their tribal patrons and the genealogy of their chiefs.? I believe that some of them quietly shifted into the role of Christian clergy and were at least partly responsible for the early annals putting into writing the long mythological origin myths of their island, previously maintained through these Bards.? How the origin myths might fit into the timing of the Ogham stones and the Eoghanacht can only be conjecture.? Most modern scholars discount the invasions of Ireland as little more than fiction, though I¡¯ve always felt that where there is smoke, there is fire¡­

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The organization, or lack thereof, of the early Irish Church was rather typical of the temperament of the tribal Irish ¨C independent and relatively unstructured.? The Roman diocesan system that Patrick brought with him was largely ignored, and it wasn¡¯t until the 12th century and the Synod of Cashel in 1101 that Rome began to make a real effort to compel the Irish to conform.? A pity¡­

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Elizabeth

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of ·¡»å³§³¾¾±³Ù³ó¡¯49
Sent: 17 August 2021 03:47
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [R1b-CTS4466-Plus] Ogham Stone clues

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Thanks Elizabeth,
Yes I see that Oghams in Ireland are concentrated in County Kerry¡¯s Dingle and Iveragh peninsulas, with the tallest in Europe on Dingle. ? Elsewhere in Ireland, Scotland, Dyfed Wales, the Isle of Man and the border or Devon/Cornwall Oghams are found around the Irish Sea¡ªabout 400 inscriptions mainly in Primitive Irish plus some fragments of Pictish language.
The clues I see are cultural exchange by sea where personal names are commemorated, establishing tribal relationships and identities. ? ?And the predominance in southwestern Ireland suggests at the farthest Western shores of Europe, not yet literate or exposed to Roman or Christian beliefs, Irish and Welsh mythologies interacted. ? ? ?And if we believe the Milesians (Gaels) took Ireland from the native Irish before the Ogham timeframe, what role did Oghams play in their mythology and other worldly view in centuries to follow? ? ?Instead of Megalithic tombs in mounds, did Ogham¡¯s mark a new era as the Eoganachta dynasty emerged concurrent with popularity of Ogham stones placed with purpose? ? ?Without written language, how did our ancestors honor their ancestral leaders and heros?
History says in 360 the Irish colonized the Island of Man and with the Picts conquered the Dyfed Promontory of present day Wales. ? ?Ogham inscriptions using Primitive Irish in Wales confirm the common cultural exchange through Oghams with the Kerry Irish promontories. ? ?Experts continue to unpack ancient mysteries through Ogham clues.

My interest is seeing possible dna exchange between Gaelic South Irish ancestry and Welsh-born Irish offspring through such pirate raids and possible slave capture back in the mists in time. ? ?Wasn¡¯t St Patrick captured in an Irish raid, possibly taken from Wales in the 4th century? ? ?

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