Re: FGC84010>A663 from Wales to Meath / Westmeath
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Dear John,
? ? Thanks?for the post in response to Sharon's fascinating?summary, I'm also interested in genetic links between east?Cork and Britain, and
Renfrewshire in?Scotland in particular.? I'm R-A 155 (R-FT83642).
? ? ?Are you able to point to sources for the history of the Ui Liathain?? As an Erwin from east Cork who has taken the Big Y, I've got close Irish matches
with gentlemen named O'Connor and Irwin.? The surname I/Erwin seems to?? originate around Kilmeedy in Limerick.? In Irish it's O h-Eireamhoin?or? O Ciarmacain and may have to do with worship of the?goddess Aine. In historical times my emigrant couple left from Cloyne parish in 1837.
? ? ? Oddly, I have quite a few Scots matches at the 67-marker level and 33 matches with the surname Stewart or Stuart.? Even if more folks named? Stewart have tested their paternal ancestry,?that's still a lot. Other Scots surnames? turning up at that level among the?predominantly?Munster names are Caldwell
and Huey.?
? ? ?Anything?I should be reading?? ?Thanks again for any help and best wishes,
As ever,
Tim Erwin
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Sharon,
Fascinating!
I am separately investigating the connections between the U¨ª Liath¨¢in from east Cork (R-A541 => R-A151) and the Irish Sea littoral, including both south and north Wales. Including at least one branch that seems to have originated in the 7/8th century in Britain.
The U¨ª Liath¨¢in founded colonies in western Britain (Wales, Cornwall and possibly further north) from at least the fourth century and were accompanied by
D¨¦isi and Laigin. And were hired by the Empire as foederati (mercenaries) to protect it from the wild(er) Irish!
John.
Hello Forum,
I'm researching CTS4466>A663, and have been requesting the A663 men, for several years, to join CTS4466Plus project.? Their ancestors are mainly found in Leinster.? Nigel McCarthy dates A663 starting at 300AD (iain McDonald 23AD).? A663 includes Septs surnames; Moore, Lawlor, Dowling, McEvoy/McAvoy.? Researcher Niall Moore noticed in 2017 that my A663 men might be 7 Septs of Laois.? He continues his amazing research on that.??
Upstream from A663 is FGC84010 circa 250BC.? Downstream of FGC84010 is also A541 where Hart appears (ancestors lived in Westleigh near Liverpool).? The origin of surname Hart is both WESTMEATH and Durham Eng.? ?Upstream from FGC84010 is S1115, where you'll find surnames Roberts and Jones under BY23591.? Origin of surname Roberts is Denbighshire north Wales (in Deceangli territory).? Origin of Jones, in Wales, is in Silures territory (south Wales) and later found in Anglesey near the Deceangli.? ?Downstream from CTS4466 is A7751, showing surnames Gordon, Morgan, Jones.? All Welsh surnames.?
I've read that the surname McEvoy's origin is WESTMEATH.? Therefore, could FGC11134 and CTS4466 and S1115 and FGC48010 all originate around the Deceangli (north Wales) then some migrated directly over to Westmeath circa FGC48010 and A663....even as late as the Roman invasion in 1st century+/-?? ?? The Deceangli cousins in Leinster were the Gangani and Concani....from article... "The tribes appear to have been split between??and Britain. While in the latter they were called the Gangani and Deceangli, directly across the Irish Sea their cousins were the Concani or Gangani (in the region which later formed part of?). It seems that they may have first settled in Ireland and then migrated to western Britain by the first century BC at the latest, as the name 'Lleyn' peninsula seems to be derived from Laigin, the older form of Leinster."??This article states they went from Leinster to Wales.? But, what if they actually went from Wales to Leinster?
I also noticed a feed in this forum, from August 2020, regarding a research paper stating FGC11134 bones were found in Sligo and Fermanagh.? It's interesting to note that the Fir Domnann appear in Leinster and north Mayo.? Could my group descend from the Fir Domnann?? However, researcher Robert Moore believes the Fir Domnann might be ZZ32>L1402, Damnonii were ZZ32>L627 and Dumnonii of Devon also of ZZ32 (Y DNA does point to ZZ32 as Dumnonii).
I would love your thoughts on this.
Cheers,
Sharon Kelly
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