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Happy New Year to you, your father and your brother.

And to the rest of this group too.

I will leave the question about how most effectively to pursue your DNA heritage to James or others better qualified than me.

But I will offer some thoughts on what these R-A151+ results might mean.

We know that a significant proportion of men who are R-151+ can trace their most distant known ancestors to locations and times away from the south of Ireland. Seemingly a greater proportion than other lineages (related and otherwise). And one ancient Y DNA result (VK202 - Buckquoy, Orkney) suggests this travel has been occurring for a long time, in the tenth century and earlier.

An earlier ancient DNA result (CT14) from a late Iron Age burial in Claristown in County Meath, just north of Dublin, and close to the coast at Laytown, has also been identified as R-A151+ . The dating for this individual is 1760 ybp i.e. circa 190 CE/AD - which is slightly problematic since the age estimates for R-A151 and its parent R-A541 are currently both around 1600 ybp. There is a degree of uncertainty about all of these dates but it has to mean that the Claristown man can only have been a few generations downstream of the man in whom the R-A151 mutation occurred.

See for more information on these two individuals (including their mitochondrial DNA).

It is clear that the Irish colonies in west Wales (both in the south and in the north) as Rome's rule in Britain slackened were led by the Uí Liatháin probably from Cork Harbour. R-A151+ descendents of the Uí Liatháin are still to be found in east Cork to this day. These colonies in west Wales, and possibly in other places on the edge of Britain further up the Irish Sea, probably gave rise to at least some of the R-A151+ men today who have Welsh, English or southern Scots surnames.

So they were going north a long time before the Norse came south?

So, how would you (and I) describe our relationship to these men? Well, we all have the same great*x grandfather back early in the first millennium. So we are all 'cousins'!

All the best,

John.

On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 5:43 PM Espen Solheim <espheim@...> wrote:

Happy New year there!

I have had the opportunity to sit with my father and brother this Jul and we came to discuss the DNA result from Orkneys and naturally formed a few questions about it. Maybe Elizabeth or anyone else that has a better understanding of this than me might be helpful about interpreting?the found on Bursay.?He is R-A151 which I assume would be relatively close relations (regarding the time gap)? How can we interpret this man, is he to be considered a "relative" and how can we find out more about this?

We also wonder about the exact process?to get my father and brother and the others in our family's DNA profile established as cost effectively as possible.

As far as I understand they must create a profile on familytreedna and from there upload their BAM file or similar and then purchase a specific test for?

BY-139?

?All the best for the new year. Must it bring travels, events, gatherings with family and friends and feasts in lively pubs back to the norm in the near future.

Espen?

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 10:07 PM Elizabeth <elizabethodross@...> wrote:

There has been two postings on the ISOGG group with these links:

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The second brings you to Roberta Estes’ blog, where she mentions ‘Goran Runfeldt, a member of the Million Mito team and head of research at began downloading DNA sequences immediately, and Michael Sager began analyzing Y DNA, hoping to add or split Y DNA tree branches.’

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She includes a list of all the ‘Ancient Viking Sample Information’

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The one that interests me is:

Sample:?VK202 / Orkney_Buckquoy, sk 7B
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Age:?Viking 10th century CE
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John/Espen – how do get so lucky?!? Orkney this time…

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If you click on the links, Birsay is at the most northwestern part of Orkney, and the Y-DNA link brings you to the Family Tree haplotree.? I wonder if we might be able to get more info/detail from Family Tree to see if there are any downstream SNPs tested…

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