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Re: Need help with separate Mac for printing DN only

 

Hi Jess,

First let me say that I am not a commercial fine art printing studio only a single person artist. So my needs, and solutions, are very specific, and in some ways similar to your questions.

Since I print with the piezography solution (inks, software, workflow) I also wanted to keep that system disconnected from the Internet. So I repurposed an old iMac, running Catalina, connected to my Epson P6000. I use the printer for making digital negatives (primarily Pt./Pd. and gum/cyano over), polymer plates (for direct to plate gravure) and a little inkjet printing (proofing and final prints). The iMac only has PrintTool and the QTR tools (the bare minimum for printing - and nothing else). No editing is done here. Separately I have a MacStudio fully configured (H/W and S/W) for image libraries, editing. etc.. I use a USB drive to shuttle images and install .dmg files (PrintTool, QTR..) over to the iMac. The only thing to always double check after installing the applications is that they have full R/W privileges (but this is an easy check).

My suggestion is to repurpose your MacBook Pro connected to your 3880 via USB; and, of course, not connected to the Internet so no unwanted or unexpected Epson updates or “upgrades". Not sure what version of OS you are currently running but if it is working now for your printing needs then I would leave it alone. Separately invest in the new Mac mini M4 with one of the third party port extenders that matches the fit, finish, and form factor of the Mac mini. Load it up with as much memory as you can; with all your creative (PS, LR, etc.) and QCDN software etc.; and a cohesive 3-tier backup strategy.

Lastly, IMHO, the 3880 was one of the last, best 17” printers Epson made that would allow user control and 3rd party inks (without major hassle). While the older P800 and new 900 are very, very good I would keep that 3880 for as long as it still works for you!

Let me know if you have any specific questions.

Michael

On 7 Dec 2024, at 19:06, jess g via groups.io <jessgreaux@...> wrote:

Hello hive mind. I’m trying to avoid the issues with printing digital negatives on an Epson 3880 and Mac OS updates on my MacBook Pro.I have to update the MacBook Pro OS (for other reasons) and am looking to get a mac mini M4 (16Gb 10 core) just for printing so I don’t have to update the OS. I’m trying to wrap my brain around how that would work- somehow getting PrintTool and photoshop on the Mini without internet. Or do I update the OS and internet- download, then go back to a previous version of OS and disable internet? I figured I’d put the photos on a thumb drive from the MacBook to print on the mini. Any details or workflows you have mastered would be appreciated. I print digital negatives (for pt/pd, gum bichromate, cyanotype, etc.) and hope to venture into Photogravure. I use Print Tool, QCDN/QTR, Photoshop, Lightroom, FYI.




Re: Need help with separate Mac for printing DN only

 

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The new P 900 is absolutely fantastic for printing film
in general
i have both an old mac air i use with older epsons and a newer
mac i use with the P900
Erika Greenberg-Schneider
Chevalier de l’Ordre des Arts et Lettres
Bleu Acier Inc.
Owner | Master Printer
109 West Columbus Drive
Tampa, FL 33602
+1 813. 215. 0622


On Dec 7, 2024, at 15:36, jess g via groups.io <jessgreaux@...> wrote:

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Thanks for the reply Eben.? I've seen printers either on this group or a FB group write that they just disconnect it from the internet to avoid any updates of all software to be certain nothing affects printing with the Epson printers.? Good idea to avoid M4 all together.? I'll look into a used Mac Mini with Monterey or see if can upload an old OS.??


Re: Need help with separate Mac for printing DN only

 

Thanks for the reply Eben.? I've seen printers either on this group or a FB group write that they just disconnect it from the internet to avoid any updates of all software to be certain nothing affects printing with the Epson printers.? Good idea to avoid M4 all together.? I'll look into a used Mac Mini with Monterey or see if can upload an old OS.??


Re: Need help with separate Mac for printing DN only

 

I'm trying to figure out why you want to disable the internet on this, and which version of OS X you want to use. I probably am misunderstanding your needs or plan.? But if I were setting up a print server, I'd get an older machine that ran the version of OS X I preferred (perhaps a version before all the problems started cropping up with Presets, maybe Monterey? ). Probably a used Mac Mini. Turn off all automatic updates for OS and the printer.? I'd think getting an M4 would lock you into Sequoia or later - perhaps that's not a problem for you?
Then there are several ways to get things to the printer: file sharing either from or to the server, or printer sharing, or Air Drop, depending on your needs.
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Need help with separate Mac for printing DN only

 

Hello hive mind. I’m trying to avoid the issues with printing digital negatives on an Epson 3880 and Mac OS updates on my MacBook Pro.I have to update the MacBook Pro OS (for other reasons) and am looking to get a mac mini M4 (16Gb 10 core) just for printing so I don’t have to update the OS. I’m trying to wrap my brain around how that would work- somehow getting PrintTool and photoshop on the Mini without internet. Or do I update the OS and internet- download, then go back to a previous version of OS and disable internet? I figured I’d put the photos on a thumb drive from the MacBook to print on the mini. Any details or workflows you have mastered would be appreciated. I print digital negatives (for pt/pd, gum bichromate, cyanotype, etc.) and hope to venture into Photogravure. I use Print Tool, QCDN/QTR, Photoshop, Lightroom, FYI.


Re: New .quad not printing... #problems

 

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Same thing happened to me and it was a corrupted quad file. I made another one and it worked fine.?


On Nov 30, 2024, at 5:09?AM, MichaelT via groups.io <mptrupiano@...> wrote:

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I have a strange problem.
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I built a new .quad and when I went to print it nothing was printed.? The printer load the paper, started the job, but there was no ink (I immediately aborted so as no to overheat the print head).? I then tried printing a known good .quad (i.e. one I had previously printed).? And the only change I made was to load this .quad.? And it printed just fine.
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I am on MacOS Catalina.? ?Printing through the Print Tool with QTR 2.8.2.? P6000 printer.
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Some things I have tried:
1.? downloaded and reinstalled a fresh copy of QTR
2. deleted and reinstalled the printer
3. cleared the library entry of any previously saved .quads (I'm on a Mac).
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After trying to print with the new .quad I ran the QTR diagnostic shell script.? I have enclosed the file.? Interestingly it is showing that the profile has ink 9 and 10.? But when I open the file in both a text editor (Sublime Text) and QTR curve view I only see 8 channels.
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It seems there are "hidden" channels in the? new .quad but they are not visible?

Any thoughts, questions, or suggestions would be most appreciated.
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Thank you.
Michael
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New .quad not printing... #problems

 

I have a strange problem.
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I built a new .quad and when I went to print it nothing was printed.? The printer load the paper, started the job, but there was no ink (I immediately aborted so as no to overheat the print head).? I then tried printing a known good .quad (i.e. one I had previously printed).? And the only change I made was to load this .quad.? And it printed just fine.
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I am on MacOS Catalina.? ?Printing through the Print Tool with QTR 2.8.2.? P6000 printer.
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Some things I have tried:
1.? downloaded and reinstalled a fresh copy of QTR
2. deleted and reinstalled the printer
3. cleared the library entry of any previously saved .quads (I'm on a Mac).
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After trying to print with the new .quad I ran the QTR diagnostic shell script.? I have enclosed the file.? Interestingly it is showing that the profile has ink 9 and 10.? But when I open the file in both a text editor (Sublime Text) and QTR curve view I only see 8 channels.
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It seems there are "hidden" channels in the? new .quad but they are not visible?

Any thoughts, questions, or suggestions would be most appreciated.
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Thank you.
Michael


Re: Upgrade to Sequoia

 

I'm curious about this also, and I'm sure not the only one!
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many thanks to those working towards a fix or workarounds of the print preset issue ?
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Multiple Issues Setting Up DTP with Epson P900

 

Each day seems to be different when it comes to starting out printing on polymer plates. Yesterday went fairly well, but today has been incredibly difficult.
  1. When the P900 asks for what type of paper to front load, I choose posterboard and then it asks what type of photo paper. I've chosen matte and that seems okay. Any advice here?
  2. Yesterday, I was able to print on my polymer plate that was centered in a carrier that was 13" x 19" without issue. Now, the printer is printing on the entire carrier (see image #1), but still printing the test image on the plate as expected. I'm using Print Tool. Typically, there are no problems using this software. Any ideas what's going on here?
  3. There are also lines occurring?in the test image that appear on the printed image. How do I remedy this?
Thank you. I truly appreciate any help anyone can provide. I'm so new to this, I don't think I'm searching the group well enough to find the answers I need.

Bob Sullivan
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Re: OS Sequoia and Epson P700 - No longer supported by Epson?

 

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Thanks for the reminder. I actually did that with the P9570 this week, but it did not occur to me to do the same for the 700. It’s that time in the semester, when logic and reason are replaced with frenzy.

Thanks again!
DM

On Nov 11, 2024, at 7:40?AM, Walker Blackwell via groups.io <forums@...> wrote:

The actual epson drivers for the older MacOS system will install and work perfectly. Tell your IT department to stop being dink-a-donks

-Walker


On Nov 10, 2024, at 6:45?PM, DM Witman via groups.io <dmwitman@...> wrote:

Hi Y'all - The IT Dept at my Univ forced and update to Sequoia. I put it off for as long as I could. It seems Epson does not now have the stand alone driver, it is only their ?
which I cannot get to work with PS or LrC. I can still use with Print Tool (thank goodness). Any one else having this issue, and any work arounds that could be helpful??
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Details:?
- MacMini M1
- OS Sequoia
- Epson P700
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Thanks in advance.
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Re: OS Sequoia and Epson P700 - No longer supported by Epson?

 

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The actual epson drivers for the older MacOS system will install and work perfectly. Tell your IT department to stop being dink-a-donks

-Walker


On Nov 10, 2024, at 6:45?PM, DM Witman via groups.io <dmwitman@...> wrote:

Hi Y'all - The IT Dept at my Univ forced and update to Sequoia. I put it off for as long as I could. It seems Epson does not now have the stand alone driver, it is only their ?
which I cannot get to work with PS or LrC. I can still use with Print Tool (thank goodness). Any one else having this issue, and any work arounds that could be helpful??
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Details:?
- MacMini M1
- OS Sequoia
- Epson P700
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Thanks in advance.
?


Re: Can not change the drying time on my Epson 7800

 

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That did the trick ! Thanks a lot ;)


OS Sequoia and Epson P700 - No longer supported by Epson?

 

Hi Y'all - The IT Dept at my Univ forced and update to Sequoia. I put it off for as long as I could. It seems Epson does not now have the stand alone driver, it is only their ?
which I cannot get to work with PS or LrC. I can still use with Print Tool (thank goodness). Any one else having this issue, and any work arounds that could be helpful??
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Details:?
- MacMini M1
- OS Sequoia
- Epson P700
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Thanks in advance.
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Re: Can not change the drying time on my Epson 7800

 

Thanks for the idea,
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It's not how I understood this value. I think I tried with a value of 1s. I will give a try with an higher time


Re: Can not change the drying time on my Epson 7800

 

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could it be that your increased drying time needs to be longer? When the increased drying time is less than what it takes to make one pass, you will not see any difference, as far as I know

On 9. Nov 2024, at 13:46, tooko via groups.io <tooko.took@...> wrote:

Hello,
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I have a problem that is not directly QTR related but there is probably someone who would have an idea about it here.
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I need to increase the drying time between each pass for a specific projet that I print on a Stylus Pro 7800. I have a custom paper created, all settings are responding, like Platen Gap, but the Drying Time doesn't. Whatever the value I enter, it looks like the printer doesn't react and keep a drying time of 0s.
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It is the case when I print with QTR. I also tried with the Epson driver, both on the printer panel or in the driver setting, increasing the drying time has no effect.
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Has anyone an idea about what could be the cause of this?
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Thanks


Can not change the drying time on my Epson 7800

 

Hello,
?
I have a problem that is not directly QTR related but there is probably someone who would have an idea about it here.
?
I need to increase the drying time between each pass for a specific projet that I print on a Stylus Pro 7800. I have a custom paper created, all settings are responding, like Platen Gap, but the Drying Time doesn't. Whatever the value I enter, it looks like the printer doesn't react and keep a drying time of 0s.
?
It is the case when I print with QTR. I also tried with the Epson driver, both on the printer panel or in the driver setting, increasing the drying time has no effect.
?
Has anyone an idea about what could be the cause of this?
?
Thanks


Re: Kirkland paper alternatives?

 

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I give up. Let’s just stop. Kang-Wei Hsu has a style of writing that I find needlessly abrasive.?

Perhaps I’m just in the wrong user group, although I have used QTR for years, and printed B&W on silver papers since the early 70’s.

Myron Gochnauer


On Nov 5, 2024, at 21:55, Kang-Wei Hsu via groups.io <beblue.shi@...> wrote:

?External message: Use caution.

But you never post any Kirkland paper spec and why you like the paper. How should we know which paper might suit for you? I did posted and share something (just take a look at below links), and I don't play Ouija board.
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Kang-Wei Hsu


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Re: Kirkland paper alternatives?

 

But you never post any Kirkland paper spec and why you like the paper. How should we know which paper might suit for you? I did posted and share something (just take a look at below links), and I don't play Ouija board.
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Kang-Wei Hsu


download FREE preview
Effect of Fixatives on Inkjet Papers Preservation and Imaging Quality


Re: DTP printer recommendation

 

Thanks for these great suggestions. The P5000/5730s hadn't been on my radar and the recommendation to avoid 13” printers for DTP is a good one.?
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As a follow-up, are there any concerns I should be aware of in trying to import a European model of these printers to avoid ink cartridge limitations? The flexibility on that front seems desirable if costs are relatively similar and longer term longevity isn't impacted by, say, the use of a voltage converter.?
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Re: Kirkland paper alternatives?

 

Sorry to hear that one of your animals is sick, they are really members of the family.? I hope that it resolves itself soon.

"15+ years ago there seemed to be many people testing and posting information about all the new papers coming out, but that seems to have dried up. Am I missing something out there in the internet jungle?"

While the printer market continues to expand by about 5% a year largely fueled by global growth (see:?), the level of interest on forums and websites seems to have tailed off and regressed.? Much of the emerging information comes from the major paper manufacturers and even they don't do a spectacular job at promotion.? LuLa and??are two legacy sites which still have some information, otherwise you'll have to scour the web with specific questions.? If you really want a Kirkland equivalent, then maybe go to the original source, Ilford, though it will cost you.? Their Gallerie Photo Gloss has the same specs -??as the Kirkland.? Good luck sourcing it, the only place I've seen is B&H for 4x6, 5x7??or fleabay where people are selling remaining stock.



On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 03:44:39 PM EST, Myron Gochnauer <goch@...> wrote:


Sorry for the delayed response. One of my dogs is seriously ill and has been in the veterinary hospital for several days, so the paper I print on seems pretty trivial.?

Kirkland glossy RC paper is not a premium archival material. And, there are MANY similar papers on the market, Kirkland is nothing special...

I had no illusion/myth that Kirkland paper is “premium archival material”.?

*Most*?printing papers are “nothing special”. ?But that doesn’t mean that there are no differences between them and that differences should be ignored.?

...you need to tell others your spec requirement not how you love Kirkland papers.

I happen to *like* the qualities of the Kirkland papers I have used (8.5x11, 11x14 and 13x19, Swiss, Mexican and maybe USA). I have created my own profiles for them, colour and more than one formulation of B&W. I like the feel and flatness of them. The whiteness of the print surface is acceptable for my audience and viewing conditions. While the glossy surface would not be my first choice for many prints, I find it acceptable.

I hoped someone would say something like: “Epson XXX is very similar although it tends to curl more.” Or: Lasal Glossy XX is even flatter/stiffer than Kirkland, and the tonal range is the same, but it’s no longer available.” ?Or similar kinds of observations from personal experience.

I could measure the thickness with a micrometer, the colour characteristics of the white surface with my Color Munki, and maximum black for the ink I use, but I didn’t think that most people would have that kind of detail at hand for comparison.

15+ years ago there seemed to be many people testing and posting information about all the new papers coming out, but that seems to have dried up. Am I missing something out there in the internet jungle?

Myron
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