I run QTR with an iMac in MacOS10.2.8 and Photoshop 7. I print with
an Epson
2200 using enhanced matte. What should my settings be in Photoshop?
If this question has already been aswered please refer me to the
post. I can't find it.
Thank you,
Richard Garnett

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I think Qimage's interpolation is superior. As far as sharpening
goes, Photoshop does not offer Smart Sharpening, which is output
sharpening. Initially I was printing my color images from Qimage and
B&W directly with QTR but I noticed a difference in the sharpness. I
would have to add additional sharpening. So I started using the
Print to File in Qimage and I like the results much better.

--- In QuadtoneRIP@..., "Bernie Raffe"
<bernieraffe@a...> wrote:

Yes, that makes sense, but I tend to do that kind of processing in
Photoshop.

I wonder whether Qimage's interpolation and sharpening is an

improvement

on PS's, will have to give it a try.

Bernie




-----Original Message-----
From: John Lill [mailto:johnlill2@y...]
Sent: 05 April 2005 13:11
To: QuadtoneRIP@...
Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: printing with Qimage


Bernie,

I use Qimage rather than just QTR for 2 reasons:
1) Qimage's great interpolation for resizing.
2) Qimage's Smart Sharpening

John
--- In QuadtoneRIP@..., "Bernie Raffe"
<bernieraffe@a...> wrote:

This is curious!

I also use Qimage, it's a great product – but now I only use it

for

colour prints and use QTR for b&w. Why bother going via Qimage

for

b&w,

especially if the image has already been processed in Photoshop?

The

only reason I can think of is to allow multiple photos to be

laid

out

first.

What am I missing?

Cheers,
Bernie


-----Original Message-----
From: John Lill [mailto:johnlill2@y...]
Sent: 05 April 2005 12:16
To: QuadtoneRIP@...
Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: printing with Qimage


Diane,
That's how I print, and I believe most others do, also. When I

print

to file in Qimage, I set the printer ICC to QTR-RGB Gray Matte

and

leave Smart Sharpening at the default. Then I open the tiff with

QTR.

Works great. Some folks just set QTR to monitor a folder and let

it

print automatically when the tiff is saved in Qimage. The
collaboration between Roy, Stephen, and Mike was wonderful and

made

for a simple workflow.

I was thrilled when QTR was first released for Windows. Then

when

Stephen created QTRGui, it was so much better. And now, with

Mike's

input, and further improvements in QTR and the GUI, it's a real
pleasure to work with. Metemerism-free prints and I can easily

change

the look from selenium-toned to warm and everything in between.

What

fun!!

John L
--- In QuadtoneRIP@..., "Diane Fields" <picnic@c...>
wrote:

I know there are RGB ICC profiles for QTR gray-matte and gray-

photo. I also know these are to be used for printing from

Qimage. I

have and have used Qimage for a number of years and happen to be
using
it this morning. That brought up the question in my mind--just

how

are others printing from Qimage using QTR? Are you printing to

file,

then using that saved tiff to bring into the QTR GUI?

Diane
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Bernie,

I use Qimage rather than just QTR for 2 reasons:
1) Qimage's great interpolation for resizing.
2) Qimage's Smart Sharpening

John
--- In QuadtoneRIP@..., "Bernie Raffe"
<bernieraffe@a...> wrote:

This is curious!

I also use Qimage, it's a great product – but now I only use it for
colour prints and use QTR for b&w. Why bother going via Qimage for

b&w,

especially if the image has already been processed in Photoshop?

The

only reason I can think of is to allow multiple photos to be laid

out

first.

What am I missing?

Cheers,
Bernie


-----Original Message-----
From: John Lill [mailto:johnlill2@y...]
Sent: 05 April 2005 12:16
To: QuadtoneRIP@...
Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: printing with Qimage


Diane,
That's how I print, and I believe most others do, also. When I

print

to file in Qimage, I set the printer ICC to QTR-RGB Gray Matte and
leave Smart Sharpening at the default. Then I open the tiff with

QTR.

Works great. Some folks just set QTR to monitor a folder and let

it

print automatically when the tiff is saved in Qimage. The
collaboration between Roy, Stephen, and Mike was wonderful and

made

for a simple workflow.

I was thrilled when QTR was first released for Windows. Then when
Stephen created QTRGui, it was so much better. And now, with

Mike's

input, and further improvements in QTR and the GUI, it's a real
pleasure to work with. Metemerism-free prints and I can easily

change

the look from selenium-toned to warm and everything in between.

What

fun!!

John L
--- In QuadtoneRIP@..., "Diane Fields" <picnic@c...>
wrote:

I know there are RGB ICC profiles for QTR gray-matte and gray-

photo. I also know these are to be used for printing from

Qimage. I

have and have used Qimage for a number of years and happen to be
using
it this morning. That brought up the question in my mind--just

how

are others printing from Qimage using QTR? Are you printing to

file,

then using that saved tiff to bring into the QTR GUI?

Diane
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Diane,
That's how I print, and I believe most others do, also. When I print
to file in Qimage, I set the printer ICC to QTR-RGB Gray Matte and
leave Smart Sharpening at the default. Then I open the tiff with QTR.
Works great. Some folks just set QTR to monitor a folder and let it
print automatically when the tiff is saved in Qimage. The
collaboration between Roy, Stephen, and Mike was wonderful and made
for a simple workflow.

I was thrilled when QTR was first released for Windows. Then when
Stephen created QTRGui, it was so much better. And now, with Mike's
input, and further improvements in QTR and the GUI, it's a real
pleasure to work with. Metemerism-free prints and I can easily change
the look from selenium-toned to warm and everything in between. What
fun!!

John L
--- In QuadtoneRIP@..., "Diane Fields" <picnic@c...>
wrote:

I know there are RGB ICC profiles for QTR gray-matte and gray-

photo. I also know these are to be used for printing from Qimage. I
have and have used Qimage for a number of years and happen to be
using
it this morning. That brought up the question in my mind--just how
are others printing from Qimage using QTR? Are you printing to file,
then using that saved tiff to bring into the QTR GUI?

Diane
-----------
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picnic@c...
photo site

Diane, the other day you offered to to do a print screen offlist to
show me how 'step wedging' is done. That would be a great help to me
if you could provide me with that info.

Thanks in advance!

Steve



--- In QuadtoneRIP@..., "Diane Fields" <picnic@c...>
wrote:

Steve, I'm a newbie too at QTR but maybe because I've read the

other list for several years (and have been printing b/w for a good
while, first with the 1280 and with the 2200) and am pretty familiar
with PS, the QTR workflow works for me.

No, QTR won't cure bronzing because that's a function of the

ink/paper combo. If you notice on the Digital/bw list they spray
their prints to counter that problem. The newer R800 and R1800, we
assume, will deal with the bronzing by using the Gloss Optimizer
(and this is the 'glop' they talk about on the other list--they are
adding it into a cart to use with the black inks--3rd party--like
with the MIS inks and Paul Roark's curves).

I don't know of a tutorial. Did I send you the post I found of

Lou Dina's that explained how to softproof in QTR?

What the step wedges help you with is envisioning what those

particular curves will look like on that particular paper. I laid
out my 11 sheets with the step wedges on them and was able to pick
out the papers I liked, then I could see what a 75 warm and 25 cool
blend looked like, for instance, on that paper. I like not quite
neutral--just a bit of warmth to it. On different papers the curve
blend I might choose could be different--because the tone of the
papers affects the image a great deal.

When you open the QTR GUI in Windows and you select the image file

you want to print, then you have to choose a 'curve' for it down
below. For instance, I want to print on Epson Velvet. So--I choose
a matte paper in the paper dropdown. I make the selections as to
dpi, etc. in all the other places. Probably I would
check 'centered' (but if you are doing step wedge printing, you will
keep dragging the step wedge file around in the window to place it
differently for different printing--if you don't understand this, I
can do a print screen and send it to you offlist). Now--you need to
select your blend percentage (middle box) and your curves. Since I
use Epson Enhanced matte as a proofing paper for Velvet, I feel that
those curves will be close enough for me for Epson Velvet. In the
left curve drop down box, I choose EEnhMatte-Cool and in the right
box I choose EEnhmatte-Warm. From my series of step wedges I did on
my Epson Velvet paper (I did 6 rather than do a long series of
percentages. Once I establish for sure what papers I'm going to use
all the time, I will do a series of step wedges from 100% cool to
100% warm in 10% increments) I find that a 60 cool/40 warm is about
the blend I like on that paper. So--I move the blend slider over to
60 (the blend number represents the amount of the curve on the left--
the one for the cool). I did not adjust my ink limit for this paper
(though I may in the future) so I will not make any other slider
adjustments for now. Then---I'm ready to click on print and that's
it.

I addressed softproofing in the post to Anne (Montauk lady). It

will help you correct any tonality/contrast issues with your print--
before you print (for the most part--its pretty difficult to get a
perfect reading on a monitor to match a paper print because of the
difference in the mediums).

I hope this is helpful. I really think printing the step wedges

on the papers you use all the time will be a big help--and I'll be
glad to help you figure out how to do that.

Diane.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve
To: QuadtoneRIP@...
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 2:43 PM
Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: The Advantages of QTR Are?



Thanks, Diane, I'm really struggling with the understanding of

this

QTR stuff and you've been very helpful by answering many of my
questions on this forum.
I'm familar of the metamerism problem caused by the different
lighting, but what about 'bronzing' when printing b&w on gloss

paper?

Is this effect eliminated using the QTR?

I'm still not clear on the 'step wedges', 'blends' and 'curves',

etc.

Do you know where I can find a simplified tutorial that explains

how

to use this software? I know Roy Harrington talks about it on

his

QTR site but I'm finding it a little too technical.

Looking forward to hearng back from you.

Steve

Steve, it's quite possible that is whats happen. I will have to
download and install the newer version.

--- In QuadtoneRIP@..., "Stephen Billard"
<sbillard@s...> wrote:

Could be you are running version 2.1 (or earlier)? There was an

error in that

version 2.1, the right hand curve was not properly displayed.

Before 2.1 the

feature did not exist.


-Stephen
www.sbillard.org/Stephen

-----Original Message-----
From: Diane Fields [mailto:picnic@c...]
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 3:35 PM
To: QuadtoneRIP@...
Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Problem with QTRGui


Steve, when I right click over the curve title, it says, 'show

curve graph' and

I click on that (I'm using a Wacom pen), the curve is shown. Not

sure why you

would not get that.

Diane

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve <mailto:blizzie12@y...>
To: QuadtoneRIP@...
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 6:14 PM
Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Problem with QTRGui


When I right click on the on the curve in the QTRgui it doesn't

show a

graph,is there a reason for this? I've been told that it's suppose

to.

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I'm not sure either, perhaps I have an older QTR version?

--- In QuadtoneRIP@..., "Diane Fields" <picnic@c...> wrote:

Steve, when I right click over the curve title, it says, 'show curve

graph' and I click on that (I'm using a Wacom pen), the curve is
shown. Not sure why you would not get that.

Diane
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve
To: QuadtoneRIP@...
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 6:14 PM
Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Problem with QTRGui



When I right click on the on the curve in the QTRgui it doesn't

show a

graph,is there a reason for this? I've been told that it's suppose

to.

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When I right click on the on the curve in the QTRgui it doesn't show a
graph,is there a reason for this? I've been told that it's suppose to.

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Please change the message subjects when you change topics.

"the advantages of QTR" has gone down the tubes and will soon start being
deleted, unless of course it talks about advantages of QTR... :)

"after a full day..." doesn't say anything either (the subject, not necessarily the message)

Scott: moderator/owner

Epson's photo black is a very warm almost brown black and used with QTR will print exactly that way. The photo black (pk) curves supplied with QTR don't use toner inks to compensate for the pk only the light black (right click on the curve in the QTRgui and it will show a graph of the curve). Instead, try using the UC-NoBlack-Neutral curve. This might seem counterintuitive but since it doesn't use pk it won't print brown and has the benefit of allowing the use of any paper without having to switch black inks - just leave mat black installed.

Will

montauklady wrote:

--- In QuadtoneRIP@..., "montauklady" <gpfly205ss@e...>
wrote:

I finally figured out how to get it to work...especially with your
help Diane...but my prints are still too warm pc epson 2200 epson
inks epson luster paper. No I haven't printed wedges, as you

did..but

I am looking for a cool/neutral black not warm tone (read brown)
prints. Suggestions? Combinations?

Try the "NoK" profile with luster paper. It doesn't use any black
ink, but it does produce a
neutral/cool print using only the neutralized (with light cyan and
light magenta inks) light
black ink. If you need really deep blacks then a neutral profile
that uses either neutralized
Photo Black (with full strength cyan and magenta) or even better the
MIS PKN (cool neutral
version of the Photo black ink) should be used. The Epson Photo
Black ink that is used
with RC papers is extremely warm. I don't think that any of the
older profiles for RC
papers that have been distributed use a neutralized Photo Black ink
and that may be the
source of the warm tones you are getting.

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I finally figured out how to get it to work...especially with your
help Diane...but my prints are still too warm pc epson 2200 epson
inks epson luster paper. No I haven't printed wedges, as you did..but
I am looking for a cool/neutral black not warm tone (read brown)
prints. Suggestions? Combinations?

Thanks, Diane, I'm going to have to do some experimenting based on
what you've described here. I'm sure I'll be back with more
questions for you. Could you send me that post on Soft Proofing by
Lou Dina? I'd like to read up on it.

Thanks!
Steve



--- In QuadtoneRIP@..., "Diane Fields" <picnic@c...>
wrote:

Steve, I'm a newbie too at QTR but maybe because I've read the

other list for several years (and have been printing b/w for a good
while, first with the 1280 and with the 2200) and am pretty familiar
with PS, the QTR workflow works for me.

No, QTR won't cure bronzing because that's a function of the

ink/paper combo. If you notice on the Digital/bw list they spray
their prints to counter that problem. The newer R800 and R1800, we
assume, will deal with the bronzing by using the Gloss Optimizer
(and this is the 'glop' they talk about on the other list--they are
adding it into a cart to use with the black inks--3rd party--like
with the MIS inks and Paul Roark's curves).

I don't know of a tutorial. Did I send you the post I found of

Lou Dina's that explained how to softproof in QTR?

What the step wedges help you with is envisioning what those

particular curves will look like on that particular paper. I laid
out my 11 sheets with the step wedges on them and was able to pick
out the papers I liked, then I could see what a 75 warm and 25 cool
blend looked like, for instance, on that paper. I like not quite
neutral--just a bit of warmth to it. On different papers the curve
blend I might choose could be different--because the tone of the
papers affects the image a great deal.

When you open the QTR GUI in Windows and you select the image file

you want to print, then you have to choose a 'curve' for it down
below. For instance, I want to print on Epson Velvet. So--I choose
a matte paper in the paper dropdown. I make the selections as to
dpi, etc. in all the other places. Probably I would
check 'centered' (but if you are doing step wedge printing, you will
keep dragging the step wedge file around in the window to place it
differently for different printing--if you don't understand this, I
can do a print screen and send it to you offlist). Now--you need to
select your blend percentage (middle box) and your curves. Since I
use Epson Enhanced matte as a proofing paper for Velvet, I feel that
those curves will be close enough for me for Epson Velvet. In the
left curve drop down box, I choose EEnhMatte-Cool and in the right
box I choose EEnhmatte-Warm. From my series of step wedges I did on
my Epson Velvet paper (I did 6 rather than do a long series of
percentages. Once I establish for sure what papers I'm going to use
all the time, I will do a series of step wedges from 100% cool to
100% warm in 10% increments) I find that a 60 cool/40 warm is about
the blend I like on that paper. So--I move the blend slider over to
60 (the blend number represents the amount of the curve on the left--
the one for the cool). I did not adjust my ink limit for this paper
(though I may in the future) so I will not make any other slider
adjustments for now. Then---I'm ready to click on print and that's
it.

I addressed softproofing in the post to Anne (Montauk lady). It

will help you correct any tonality/contrast issues with your print--
before you print (for the most part--its pretty difficult to get a
perfect reading on a monitor to match a paper print because of the
difference in the mediums).

I hope this is helpful. I really think printing the step wedges

on the papers you use all the time will be a big help--and I'll be
glad to help you figure out how to do that.

Diane.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve
To: QuadtoneRIP@...
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 2:43 PM
Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: The Advantages of QTR Are?



Thanks, Diane, I'm really struggling with the understanding of

this

QTR stuff and you've been very helpful by answering many of my
questions on this forum.
I'm familar of the metamerism problem caused by the different
lighting, but what about 'bronzing' when printing b&w on gloss

paper?

Is this effect eliminated using the QTR?

I'm still not clear on the 'step wedges', 'blends' and 'curves',

etc.

Do you know where I can find a simplified tutorial that explains

how

to use this software? I know Roy Harrington talks about it on

his

QTR site but I'm finding it a little too technical.

Looking forward to hearng back from you.

Steve