Re: QTR Not Flipping Images?
¡°Flip Horizontal¡± box is not a PrintTool checkbox. That¡¯s the macOS print system under Layout.? QTR driver has no flipping capability.?
I know it¡¯s not necessarily obvious who¡¯s who but it really helps to get to know the parts. Print-Tool is the app for layout and is just the main page you interact with - plus one addition: the Prefs button at bottom next to the Negative box. As soon as you hit Print Settings you are talking to the OS - all panes except the QuadToneRIP pane.?
Mixing all of these is bound to cause confusion.?
Roy
On Thu, Aug 8, 2024 at 6:11?PM Michael Strickland Images < michael@...> wrote: Hey Roy,
Yes, I understand that how the software is working. The thing is that sometimes it flips (correctly), when ¡°flip horizontally¡± is selected, and other times, when still selected, it doesn¡¯t. And then sometimes when it¡¯s unchecked, it flips the image. That¡¯s the issue at hand. I¡¯ve even gone as far as to create a new quad file and it¡¯s still behaving the same way with no rhyme or reason. I unchecked the ¡°flip horizontal¡± today as a test, it printed backwards, as predicted, then checked the box, and on the subsequent print it printed in the same orientation. Then, on a third attempt, it printed correctly. I¡¯ve done a test where I¡¯ve printed a correctly oriented negative without the flipping function selected in the print dialog and the orientation is still randomized when printed.?
This has only been happening in the last couple of weeks, which is why I was wondering if anyone else was seeing a similar issue.? Michael Strickland 805.791.7999 ? The flipping is connected to converting to negative.? I think maybe that ProDN does not use the PrintTool negative conversion so no flipping.? If this causes confusion I¡¯d recommend doing what you want in photoshop manually.?
On Thu, Aug 8, 2024 at 9:11?AM Michael Strickland Images < michael@...> wrote: For the past few weeks, when I've been outputting negatives using QTR (and PiezoProDN), my images have not been flipping horizontally as directed by the software. It's 100% random, no settings are changing when this occurs, and it happens maybe 10-15% of the time. Is anyone else seeing this or having this issue? It's wasting a heck of a lot of material...
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Re: QTR Not Flipping Images?
Hey Roy,
Yes, I understand that how the software is working. The thing is that sometimes it flips (correctly), when ¡°flip horizontally¡± is selected, and other times, when still selected, it doesn¡¯t. And then sometimes when it¡¯s unchecked, it flips the image. That¡¯s the issue at hand. I¡¯ve even gone as far as to create a new quad file and it¡¯s still behaving the same way with no rhyme or reason. I unchecked the ¡°flip horizontal¡± today as a test, it printed backwards, as predicted, then checked the box, and on the subsequent print it printed in the same orientation. Then, on a third attempt, it printed correctly. I¡¯ve done a test where I¡¯ve printed a correctly oriented negative without the flipping function selected in the print dialog and the orientation is still randomized when printed.?
This has only been happening in the last couple of weeks, which is why I was wondering if anyone else was seeing a similar issue.? Michael Strickland 805.791.7999 www.michaelstricklandimages.com
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On Aug 8, 2024, at 7:59?PM, Roy Harrington via groups.io <roy@...> wrote:
? The flipping is connected to converting to negative.? I think maybe that ProDN does not use the PrintTool negative conversion so no flipping.? If this causes confusion I¡¯d recommend doing what you want in photoshop manually.?
On Thu, Aug 8, 2024 at 9:11?AM Michael Strickland Images < michael@...> wrote: For the past few weeks, when I've been outputting negatives using QTR (and PiezoProDN), my images have not been flipping horizontally as directed by the software. It's 100% random, no settings are changing when this occurs, and it happens maybe 10-15% of the time. Is anyone else seeing this or having this issue? It's wasting a heck of a lot of material...
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Re: QTR Not Flipping Images?
The flipping is connected to converting to negative.? I think maybe that ProDN does not use the PrintTool negative conversion so no flipping.? If this causes confusion I¡¯d recommend doing what you want in photoshop manually.?
On Thu, Aug 8, 2024 at 9:11?AM Michael Strickland Images < michael@...> wrote: For the past few weeks, when I've been outputting negatives using QTR (and PiezoProDN), my images have not been flipping horizontally as directed by the software. It's 100% random, no settings are changing when this occurs, and it happens maybe 10-15% of the time. Is anyone else seeing this or having this issue? It's wasting a heck of a lot of material...
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Thank you Roy, ?I deleted the printer and reinstalled and printer is now working.
Appreciate your input !
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On Aug 8, 2024, at 2:53?PM, Roy Harrington <roy@...> wrote:
Most likely the QTR driver is not connected with the printer correctly.?
Go to sys preferences and delete the Quad printer. Then re-run the Install script.?
If you still have trouble run the DiagScript in QTR folder. Post the text output.?
On Thu, Aug 8, 2024 at 9:43?AM Steve Sherman < steve@...> wrote: Thanks, I believe I have run the latest install command, and it does load all my curves, nevertheless the Quad printer remains offline.? This is kinda of new to me, and may have something to do with permissions, but I have looked into that to my understanding.
THx, SS
You probably know this but you need to run the QTR install command for your particular printer.? That will create a ¡°virtual printer¡± that can be selected via Print Tool. ?
No, I am not using QTR to print color, using the assigned Epson SC p900 printer for color images.? Only D negs for the QTR printer, which naturally is the same Epson p900 printer.
Thanks,
SS
So printing color photos using QTR via PrintTool?? What is the name of your printer when printing color photos?
Hi, ? Yes, I have been printing color photos all week via Print Tool with not issues.? The issue appears to be that the Quad printer remains offline and I don¡¯t know how to activate.? The p900 printer direct wired and not using Air Print option.?
Thanks for your interest.
SS
Steve,
How have you printing ¡°all week¡±?? Through QTR?? Are you using the Print Tool?
When you went to print the Fixxons film what printer did you select?
Michael On 8 Aug 2024, at 16:35, Steve Sherman via < steve@...> wrote:
The p900 Epson printer has been printing all week, now switch to Quad tone for Fixxons and the printer is offline, nothing I have Googled seems to cure the issue....thoughts ??
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Steve Sherman
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Most likely the QTR driver is not connected with the printer correctly.?
Go to sys preferences and delete the Quad printer. Then re-run the Install script.?
If you still have trouble run the DiagScript in QTR folder. Post the text output.?
On Thu, Aug 8, 2024 at 9:43?AM Steve Sherman < steve@...> wrote: Thanks, I believe I have run the latest install command, and it does load all my curves, nevertheless the Quad printer remains offline.? This is kinda of new to me, and may have something to do with permissions, but I have looked into that to my understanding.
THx, SS
You probably know this but you need to run the QTR install command for your particular printer.? That will create a ¡°virtual printer¡± that can be selected via Print Tool. ?
No, I am not using QTR to print color, using the assigned Epson SC p900 printer for color images.? Only D negs for the QTR printer, which naturally is the same Epson p900 printer.
Thanks,
SS
So printing color photos using QTR via PrintTool?? What is the name of your printer when printing color photos?
Hi, ? Yes, I have been printing color photos all week via Print Tool with not issues.? The issue appears to be that the Quad printer remains offline and I don¡¯t know how to activate.? The p900 printer direct wired and not using Air Print option.?
Thanks for your interest.
SS
Steve,
How have you printing ¡°all week¡±?? Through QTR?? Are you using the Print Tool?
When you went to print the Fixxons film what printer did you select?
Michael On 8 Aug 2024, at 16:35, Steve Sherman via < steve@...> wrote:
The p900 Epson printer has been printing all week, now switch to Quad tone for Fixxons and the printer is offline, nothing I have Googled seems to cure the issue....thoughts ??
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Steve Sherman
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Thanks, I believe I have run the latest install command, and it does load all my curves, nevertheless the Quad printer remains offline. ?This is kinda of new to me, and may have something to do with permissions, but I have looked into that to my understanding.
THx,
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On Aug 8, 2024, at 12:39?PM, MichaelT <mptrupiano@...> wrote:
You probably know this but you need to run the QTR install command for your particular printer.? That will create a ¡°virtual printer¡± that can be selected via Print Tool. ?
No, I am not using QTR to print color, using the assigned Epson SC p900 printer for color images.? Only D negs for the QTR printer, which naturally is the same Epson p900 printer.
Thanks,
SS
So printing color photos using QTR via PrintTool?? What is the name of your printer when printing color photos?
Hi, ? Yes, I have been printing color photos all week via Print Tool with not issues.? The issue appears to be that the Quad printer remains offline and I don¡¯t know how to activate.? The p900 printer direct wired and not using Air Print option.?
Thanks for your interest.
SS
Steve,
How have you printing ¡°all week¡±?? Through QTR?? Are you using the Print Tool?
When you went to print the Fixxons film what printer did you select?
Michael On 8 Aug 2024, at 16:35, Steve Sherman via < steve@...> wrote:
The p900 Epson printer has been printing all week, now switch to Quad tone for Fixxons and the printer is offline, nothing I have Googled seems to cure the issue....thoughts ??
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Steve Sherman
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You probably know this but you need to run the QTR install command for your particular printer.? That will create a ¡°virtual printer¡± that can be selected via Print Tool. ?
No, I am not using QTR to print color, using the assigned Epson SC p900 printer for color images.? Only D negs for the QTR printer, which naturally is the same Epson p900 printer.
Thanks,
SS
So printing color photos using QTR via PrintTool?? What is the name of your printer when printing color photos?
Hi, ? Yes, I have been printing color photos all week via Print Tool with not issues.? The issue appears to be that the Quad printer remains offline and I don¡¯t know how to activate.? The p900 printer direct wired and not using Air Print option.?
Thanks for your interest.
SS
Steve,
How have you printing ¡°all week¡±?? Through QTR?? Are you using the Print Tool?
When you went to print the Fixxons film what printer did you select?
Michael On 8 Aug 2024, at 16:35, Steve Sherman via < steve@...> wrote:
The p900 Epson printer has been printing all week, now switch to Quad tone for Fixxons and the printer is offline, nothing I have Googled seems to cure the issue....thoughts ??
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Steve Sherman
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No, I am not using QTR to print color, using the assigned Epson SC p900 printer for color images. ?Only D negs for the QTR printer, which naturally is the same Epson p900 printer.
Thanks,
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On Aug 8, 2024, at 12:09?PM, MichaelT <mptrupiano@...> wrote:
So printing color photos using QTR via PrintTool?? What is the name of your printer when printing color photos?
Hi, ? Yes, I have been printing color photos all week via Print Tool with not issues.? The issue appears to be that the Quad printer remains offline and I don¡¯t know how to activate.? The p900 printer direct wired and not using Air Print option.?
Thanks for your interest.
SS
Steve,
How have you printing ¡°all week¡±?? Through QTR?? Are you using the Print Tool?
When you went to print the Fixxons film what printer did you select?
Michael On 8 Aug 2024, at 16:35, Steve Sherman via < steve@...> wrote:
The p900 Epson printer has been printing all week, now switch to Quad tone for Fixxons and the printer is offline, nothing I have Googled seems to cure the issue....thoughts ??
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Steve Sherman
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So printing color photos using QTR via PrintTool?? What is the name of your printer when printing color photos?
Hi, ? Yes, I have been printing color photos all week via Print Tool with not issues.? The issue appears to be that the Quad printer remains offline and I don¡¯t know how to activate.? The p900 printer direct wired and not using Air Print option.?
Thanks for your interest.
SS
Steve,
How have you printing ¡°all week¡±?? Through QTR?? Are you using the Print Tool?
When you went to print the Fixxons film what printer did you select?
Michael On 8 Aug 2024, at 16:35, Steve Sherman via < steve@...> wrote:
The p900 Epson printer has been printing all week, now switch to Quad tone for Fixxons and the printer is offline, nothing I have Googled seems to cure the issue....thoughts ??
?
Steve Sherman
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For the past few weeks, when I've been outputting negatives using QTR (and PiezoProDN), my images have not been flipping horizontally as directed by the software. It's 100% random, no settings are changing when this occurs, and it happens maybe 10-15% of the time. Is anyone else seeing this or having this issue? It's wasting a heck of a lot of material...
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Hi, ? Yes, I have been printing color photos all week via Print Tool with not issues. ?The issue appears to be that the Quad printer remains offline and I don¡¯t know how to activate. ?The p900 printer direct wired and not using Air Print option.?
Thanks for your interest.
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On Aug 8, 2024, at 11:19?AM, MichaelT <mptrupiano@...> wrote:
Steve,
How have you printing ¡°all week¡±? ?Through QTR? ?Are you using the Print Tool?
When you went to print the Fixxons film what printer did you select?
Michael On 8 Aug 2024, at 16:35, Steve Sherman via < steve@...> wrote:
The p900 Epson printer has been printing all week, now switch to Quad tone for Fixxons and the printer is offline, nothing I have Googled seems to cure the issue....thoughts ??
?
Steve Sherman
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Steve,
How have you printing ¡°all week¡±? ?Through QTR? ?Are you using the Print Tool?
When you went to print the Fixxons film what printer did you select?
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On 8 Aug 2024, at 16:35, Steve Sherman via < steve@...> wrote:
The p900 Epson printer has been printing all week, now switch to Quad tone for Fixxons and the printer is offline, nothing I have Googled seems to cure the issue....thoughts ??
?
Steve Sherman
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The p900 Epson printer has been printing all week, now switch to Quad tone for Fixxons and the printer is offline, nothing I have Googled seems to cure the issue....thoughts ??
?
Steve Sherman
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Thank you so much for the info David.
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I also use a Mac. At first I fed the A4 plate directly into the printer. Then I made an A3 plate carrier for the A4 plate. The line marks are exactly in the same locations like when I fed the plate into the printer without a carrier. I'm thinking it could be a plate issue although I cannot see any lines when I peel off the protective plastic film.
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Will try a different brand of plates and see what happens.
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Joe?
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I use a Mac, QTR, Epson 3880, to print Toyoba KM73 plates for DTP printing.The Platen gap is at default. My comments are only based on using the 3880. The wheel that pulls the plate carrier through the front drawer is on the right on a 3880. In order to avoid any sort of wheel marks etc I made all my plate carriers A2 and the cut out for the plate is in the middle. In Print Tool I centre the image in the A2 size print window.
On the 3880 in the front drawer opening there is a bar with small black wheels about 45mm apart across the top. While these are above the thickness of the acceptable thickness for media I did manage once to get roller marks on a plate by not loading the carrier card level into the opening. I now pull out the trays that the printed carrier/plate will land on and these give a good guide to keeping the plate holder level when feeding it in.
I also have one cardinal rule, never touch the surface of a plate until its been completely processed and hardened off.
David
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I fashioned a carrier for the plate, hoping that this would solve the issue but I'm still getting the two horrid parallel lines down the plate. I'm at my wits end!
I printed the same image on thick poster board and there are no lines at all so it must be the plate I guess.? Next step is to try a different brand.
Ordering a couple of Torelief samples to try out. Will hopefully be back with good results.
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Thank you all for the support.
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Joe
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it's frustrating that those that wrote this program didn't work our the kinks with the various platforms, thus leaving us at sea trying to figure this out.
In light of my continuing issues with printing through QTR I tried to download an older version to see if that resolves the problem. But, when I select version 2.8.0 and download the file says it cannot be moved because it is still downloading. This message does not go away. Anybody have any idea what is going on?
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In light of my continuing issues with printing through QTR I tried to download an older version to see if that resolves the problem. But, when I select version 2.8.0 and download the file says it cannot be moved because it is still downloading. This message does not go away. Anybody have any idea what is going on?
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Hi Stig
Thanks again for your feedback! From what I¡¯ve gathered, also from other members on the group, apart from changing plates , I have to go via a plate carrier approach and not feed the plate directly into the printer. I¡¯m looking at sourcingTorelief plates.?
So I will try that soon and?get back to you with (hopefully) positive feedback.?
Thanks again for all your help Stig.
Best
Joe Joseph P Smith MFA Digital Arts (Melit) MSWPP; FMPA; FBIPP; Hon. FMPS; ARPS; AFIAP Instagram: @smithfoto59 Facebook: Twitter: @smithjp59
Hi Joe - sorry about the late reply. I still don't think it looks like pizza wheeling. If so, you would have much more and distinct lines. The golden color of the polymer indicates that it is probably the same polymer that Kodak used on their Jet Letterpress plates. They have now discontinued their factory in Japan, so it is not possible to buy them anymore. So in any case I would recommend you to use another brand.? I had similar problems when I worked with the Jet plates some years ago, and I found out that the stripes came when I removed the protective cover film. It was somehow glued to the plate in different areas and gave a crackling sound when removing the film.? Another problem with the Jets, was that the printing paper stuck to the light/white tone areas in the plate, if the paper wasn't blotted very carefully.?
If I were you I would buy some other plates:)
All the best
Stig
Stig Stasig
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DK-1316 Cph K
Denmark
+45 40115412
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Hi all. Maybe you can shed some light on this. I have just installed an Epson P900 to print on photo paper and also to produce my own DTP photogravures. Up till now I had my plates made for me in Spain.? I installed Print Tool, the Quadtone K3 Profiler and the QTR. As someone previously suggested in the group, I created a new media file based on the Epson matt paper, and edited the paper thickness and platen gap accordingly.? When I print through Print Tool and QTR Printer, the new media option I created is not available. It is only available in the Epson Print tool.
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So I selected A4 in the Print Tool using the Quad 900 QTP and selected the appropriate DTP curve (saved from the K3 profiler). I also selected Front Feed Poster Board. When I print, I am getting pizza line marks on the plate. (Photo and screenshots of the process attached).? When I tried using the Epson Print tool (instead of Print Tool) with the saved media file as media setting, I did not get the line marks but the inking looks a bit dense. I'm really at a loss. Am I missing something? Maybe the screenshots can help. I am not using a carrier but feeding the A4 plate directly into the printer.
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I would be grateful for any guidance anyone can provide. Unfortunately there are no workshops on the topic in Malta.?
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Thank you so much
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best
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Joe
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Hi Joe - sorry about the late reply. I still don't think it looks like pizza wheeling. If so, you would have much more and distinct lines. The golden color of the polymer indicates that it is probably the same polymer that Kodak used on their Jet Letterpress plates. They have now discontinued their factory in Japan, so it is not possible to buy them anymore. So in any case I would recommend you to use another brand.? I had similar problems when I worked with the Jet plates some years ago, and I found out that the stripes came when I removed the protective cover film. It was somehow glued to the plate in different areas and gave a crackling sound when removing the film.? Another problem with the Jets, was that the printing paper stuck to the light/white tone areas in the plate, if the paper wasn't blotted very carefully.?
If I were you I would buy some other plates:)
All the best
Stig
Stig Stasig
Rigensgade 5, kld.tv
DK-1316 Cph K
Denmark
+45 40115412
www.fotografix.dk
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Den 30. jul. 2024 kl. 09.54 skrev Joe Smith <smithfoto59@...>:
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Hi all. Maybe you can shed some light on this. I have just installed an Epson P900 to print on photo paper and also to produce my own DTP photogravures. Up till now I had my plates made for me in Spain.? I installed Print Tool, the Quadtone K3 Profiler and the QTR. As someone previously suggested in the group, I created a new media file based on the Epson matt paper, and edited the paper thickness and platen gap accordingly.? When I print through Print Tool and QTR Printer, the new media option I created is not available. It is only available in the Epson Print tool.
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So I selected A4 in the Print Tool using the Quad 900 QTP and selected the appropriate DTP curve (saved from the K3 profiler). I also selected Front Feed Poster Board. When I print, I am getting pizza line marks on the plate. (Photo and screenshots of the process attached).? When I tried using the Epson Print tool (instead of Print Tool) with the saved media file as media setting, I did not get the line marks but the inking looks a bit dense. I'm really at a loss. Am I missing something? Maybe the screenshots can help. I am not using a carrier but feeding the A4 plate directly into the printer.
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I would be grateful for any guidance anyone can provide. Unfortunately there are no workshops on the topic in Malta.?
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Thank you so much
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best
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Joe
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