On 13 Sep 2024, at 10:18, Alan Bradford via groups.io <alan.bradford@...> wrote:

Print Tool is unfortunately not a solution here, it too is affected by the Apple presets issues.

I bought Print Tool and QTR specifically hoping I could circumvent the issues, but no, Roy Harrington explained to me that it was nearly impossible to code around this issue without Apple being involved and he has no such clout with Apple.

For now, the dedicated pre-Ventura Mac is the best solution I can see - C1 - PS - LR - Print Tool all work perfectly on High Sierra and you don’t need a powerful machine and you can bomb proof it by removing any Internet access so Apple or other cannot update this.

Adobe product will eventually fail without Internet access as they licence via Internet and eventually force a check -?

My old Windows7 is broken for Adobe products due to this as they don’t support it or the best Google browser you can run on W7 so no Licence check is possible - Adobe products fire up but you cannot edit anything as a result.

Alan Bradford

alan.bradford@...

On 13 Sep 2024, at 09:52, MichaelT <mptrupiano@...> wrote:

Silvi,

Like Alan mentioned I have an old iMac that I use as a print station (locked with Catalina and not connected to the Internet). ?Have you tried using the Print Tool stand alone app for printing your plates? ?It is very easy to save QTR presets. ?IMO it is an amazing piece of s/w for the price considering all the features. ?It is easy to print w/ or w/o color management in your workflow so you know exactly what you’ll get. ?And it bypasses the ongoing Apple vs. Adobe war that we have to suffer through each time their software is updated or upgraded, :-).

Michael

On 13 Sep 2024, at 08:30, Alan Bradford via groups.io <alan.bradford@...> wrote:

Epson Print Layout is a possible workaround.?

Printing from Capture One, PhotoShop or Lightroom on any Sonoma version ?(and I think same on Ventura) simply is broken. Not only presets but also continually not using Colorsync. High Sierra works perfectly, but no cannot be i stalled ?for Apple silicon like M1 M2 M3

I keep my old MBP for printing with High Sierra - Totally ridiculous when I spent more than 3K on a new M3 ?- Problem is 100% on Apple, but they just push you to use preview which also does seem to work but is limited.

Alan Bradford

On 13 Sep 2024, at 01:23, Silvi Glattauer <silvi@...> wrote:

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Thanks for the reference Michael. There is no real easy explanations as to a fix for the presets problem in any forums I have read.?

The latest and easiest explanations are on Tracey Valleu's blog but unfortunately no fix-?

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Anyone out there find any workaround solutions??

Silvi

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On 13 Sep 2024, at 09:52, MichaelT <mptrupiano@...> wrote:

Silvi,

Like Alan mentioned I have an old iMac that I use as a print station (locked with Catalina and not connected to the Internet). ?Have you tried using the Print Tool stand alone app for printing your plates? ?It is very easy to save QTR presets. ?IMO it is an amazing piece of s/w for the price considering all the features. ?It is easy to print w/ or w/o color management in your workflow so you know exactly what you’ll get. ?And it bypasses the ongoing Apple vs. Adobe war that we have to suffer through each time their software is updated or upgraded, :-).

Michael

On 13 Sep 2024, at 08:30, Alan Bradford via groups.io <alan.bradford@...> wrote:

Epson Print Layout is a possible workaround.?

Printing from Capture One, PhotoShop or Lightroom on any Sonoma version ?(and I think same on Ventura) simply is broken. Not only presets but also continually not using Colorsync. High Sierra works perfectly, but no cannot be i stalled ?for Apple silicon like M1 M2 M3

I keep my old MBP for printing with High Sierra - Totally ridiculous when I spent more than 3K on a new M3 ?- Problem is 100% on Apple, but they just push you to use preview which also does seem to work but is limited.

Alan Bradford

On 13 Sep 2024, at 01:23, Silvi Glattauer <silvi@...> wrote:

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Thanks for the reference Michael. There is no real easy explanations as to a fix for the presets problem in any forums I have read.?

The latest and easiest explanations are on Tracey Valleu's blog but unfortunately no fix-

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Anyone out there find any workaround solutions??

Silvi

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On 13 Sep 2024, at 08:30, Alan Bradford via groups.io <alan.bradford@...> wrote:

Epson Print Layout is a possible workaround.?

Printing from Capture One, PhotoShop or Lightroom on any Sonoma version ?(and I think same on Ventura) simply is broken. Not only presets but also continually not using Colorsync. High Sierra works perfectly, but no cannot be i stalled ?for Apple silicon like M1 M2 M3

I keep my old MBP for printing with High Sierra - Totally ridiculous when I spent more than 3K on a new M3 ?- Problem is 100% on Apple, but they just push you to use preview which also does seem to work but is limited.

Alan Bradford

On 13 Sep 2024, at 01:23, Silvi Glattauer <silvi@...> wrote:

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Thanks for the reference Michael. There is no real easy explanations as to a fix for the presets problem in any forums I have read.?

The latest and easiest explanations are on Tracey Valleu's blog but unfortunately no fix-

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Anyone out there find any workaround solutions??

Silvi

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On 13 Sep 2024, at 01:23, Silvi Glattauer <silvi@...> wrote:

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Thanks for the reference Michael. There is no real easy explanations as to a fix for the presets problem in any forums I have read.?

The latest and easiest explanations are on Tracey Valleu's blog but unfortunately no fix-

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Anyone out there find any workaround solutions??

Silvi

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On Sep 12, 2024, at 7:44?PM, Clay Harmon via groups.io <w.clay.harmon@...> wrote:

?I have had periodic issues with this, and this smells like the issues I sometimes have with Adobe software (like photoshop) not being able to write preference files.?

The preferences are stored in your user library at ~/Library/Preferences/ in a file named com.apple.print.custompresets.forprinter.xxYourPrinterNamexx.plist

If the folder that file is sitting in has the permissions closed down incorrectly by Apple, then the program can’t write the presets to a file. I’m reluctant to give advice on changing permissions here because I got scolded the last time I suggested that. But just make sure that permissions for the Preference folder allow more than just the user to read and write to it. Perhaps someone else can chime in here.

Clay

On Sep 12, 2024, at 7:23?PM, Silvi Glattauer via groups.io <silvi@...> wrote:

Thanks for the reference Michael. There is no real easy explanations as to a fix for the presets problem in any forums I have read.?

The latest and easiest explanations are on Tracey Valleu's blog but unfortunately no fix-

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Anyone out there find any workaround solutions??

Silvi

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On Sep 12, 2024, at 7:23?PM, Silvi Glattauer via groups.io <silvi@...> wrote:

Thanks for the reference Michael. There is no real easy explanations as to a fix for the presets problem in any forums I have read.?

The latest and easiest explanations are on Tracey Valleu's blog but unfortunately no fix-

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Anyone out there find any workaround solutions??

Silvi

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On Sep 12, 2024, at 10:25?AM, Joe Smith <smithfoto59@...> wrote:

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Hi Cheryl

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From what I've gathered (and it seems to be working, or improving) the P900 needs some time to "settle in". I followed some advice from various members in this group and printed a few prints (using just a small percentage of ink to avoid wastage) on posterboard. This seems to help the rollers to settle in. The two lines are now nearly gone and I can barely see them on the plate. This is the last image I printed a couple of weeks ago. I need to print again and see if the issue returns. I would suggest you try this and see if there is improvement. I also think that the P900 would be happier with thinner plates. Hope this helps.

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On 12 Sep 2024, at 07:37, Silvi Glattauer via groups.io <silvi@...> wrote:

Hi,

I'm wondering if anyone out there has worked out how to save printer settings presets? I'm using the Epson Quad driver with Sonoma 14.5.

I have tried to set up the presets as a 'custom' as well as a 'print job preset' as well as a custom preset, but they are not sticking.

I know this has been a problem for a while but what has really confused me is that I had it all set up and working for a while and then the presets disappeared when I installed a new qtr curve.

Very frustrating as you can imagine.

Any help would be wonderful..

Thanks!

Silvi

www.silvi.com.au

On Sep 7, 2024, at 11:37?AM, jess g via groups.io <jessgreaux@...> wrote:

?Yes I think he’s right. I tried to reload the same quad curve I’ve been using in QCDN and it wouldn’t load. Another loaded just fine. So going to try and print with another curve and see how it comes out. Thank you!

On Sep 7, 2024, at 8:45?AM, Dan Henderson via groups.io <dhphotographer@...> wrote:

?My experience supports Roy’s comment. One of the curves I made just ejects and cuts the film on my Epson P5000. It was a third curve created based on a first and second curve that work just fine.

On Sep 7, 2024, at 5:48?AM, Roy Harrington via groups.io <roy@...> wrote:

I’d guess the curve is bad. Try another curve - such as one of the built in ones.?

Roy

On Sat, Sep 7, 2024 at 4:24?AM jess g via??<jessgreaux=[email protected]> wrote:

Hi all. I use an Epson 3880 to print digital negatives with using QCDN/QTR/PrintTool.??

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I can print just fine if I choose the Epson 3880 printer in the print settings.? But out of the blue for some reason now I can't print using Quad3880-QCDN.? ?The printer just spits out the paper or transparency without printing.? Tried both sheet feeder and manual front load.? Again works fine if I choose Epson 3880 as the printer, but this doesn't allow me to choose the curve I made using QCDN.? Anyone else have this issue or have a suggestion?? I am using Mac OS Ventura.? QCDN 2.? Print tool 2.? Just installed the current QTR version.? TIA!?

On Sep 7, 2024, at 8:45?AM, Dan Henderson via groups.io <dhphotographer@...> wrote:

?My experience supports Roy’s comment. One of the curves I made just ejects and cuts the film on my Epson P5000. It was a third curve created based on a first and second curve that work just fine.

On Sep 7, 2024, at 5:48?AM, Roy Harrington via groups.io <roy@...> wrote:

I’d guess the curve is bad. Try another curve - such as one of the built in ones.?

Roy

On Sat, Sep 7, 2024 at 4:24?AM jess g via??<jessgreaux=[email protected]> wrote:

Hi all. I use an Epson 3880 to print digital negatives with using QCDN/QTR/PrintTool.??

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I can print just fine if I choose the Epson 3880 printer in the print settings.? But out of the blue for some reason now I can't print using Quad3880-QCDN.? ?The printer just spits out the paper or transparency without printing.? Tried both sheet feeder and manual front load.? Again works fine if I choose Epson 3880 as the printer, but this doesn't allow me to choose the curve I made using QCDN.? Anyone else have this issue or have a suggestion?? I am using Mac OS Ventura.? QCDN 2.? Print tool 2.? Just installed the current QTR version.? TIA!?

On Sep 7, 2024, at 5:48?AM, Roy Harrington via groups.io <roy@...> wrote:

I’d guess the curve is bad. Try another curve - such as one of the built in ones.?

Roy

On Sat, Sep 7, 2024 at 4:24?AM jess g via??<jessgreaux=[email protected]> wrote:

Hi all. I use an Epson 3880 to print digital negatives with using QCDN/QTR/PrintTool.??

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I can print just fine if I choose the Epson 3880 printer in the print settings.? But out of the blue for some reason now I can't print using Quad3880-QCDN.? ?The printer just spits out the paper or transparency without printing.? Tried both sheet feeder and manual front load.? Again works fine if I choose Epson 3880 as the printer, but this doesn't allow me to choose the curve I made using QCDN.? Anyone else have this issue or have a suggestion?? I am using Mac OS Ventura.? QCDN 2.? Print tool 2.? Just installed the current QTR version.? TIA!?

On Sep 7, 2024, at 2:48 AM, Roy Harrington via groups.io <roy@...> wrote:

I’d guess the curve is bad. Try another curve - such as one of the built in ones.?

Roy

On Sat, Sep 7, 2024 at 4:24?AM jess g via <jessgreaux=[email protected]> wrote:

Hi all. I use an Epson 3880 to print digital negatives with using QCDN/QTR/PrintTool.??

?

I can print just fine if I choose the Epson 3880 printer in the print settings.? But out of the blue for some reason now I can't print using Quad3880-QCDN.? ?The printer just spits out the paper or transparency without printing.? Tried both sheet feeder and manual front load.? Again works fine if I choose Epson 3880 as the printer, but this doesn't allow me to choose the curve I made using QCDN.? Anyone else have this issue or have a suggestion?? I am using Mac OS Ventura.? QCDN 2.? Print tool 2.? Just installed the current QTR version.? TIA!?

On 7 Sep 2024, at 14:26, Clay Harmon via groups.io <w.clay.harmon@...> wrote:

I ran across this on the gutenprint forum, and I wonder what that means for the future of QTR on the Mac platform? We already get the notice about drivers being deprecated in future versions of the Mac OS whenever a new printing profile is installed.?

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I'm curious how people are preparing for this potential loss of support on future Epson printers and Mac hardware. Does it make sense to keep a low-cost mac mini or the like around with a frozen-in-time version of Mac OS that can serve as a print server??