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QMX+ Inside a Tent For POTA and SOTA


 

Hi All,
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One of the attractive features ( and expensive)? features of the Elecraft
portable rigs is the small simple whip antennas that makes them "Pedestrian Mobile"?
which proves how easy and convenient and effective a 4 or five foot whip can be.
On 10 meters for instance? it is almost no compromise and Thomas is making many country wide outings
with this setup on 40 and up.?
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So seeing this and yearning to go on an outing myself I tried to do this at no expense.
No sense spending $1300 when the QMX+ is a multi - bander with a great receiver and?
will soon have SSB and already does FT8.? To this end I added? a 4 State QRP tuner to the QMX+.
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The goal is to use a small whip inside a tent, not to worry about complex antenna raising and?
be able to listen at night. Several member have shown QMX+ with telescopic whips and i'm sure they
work too. Probably with the way 10 meters? is? hotel balconies with a? QMX+ and little whip and no setup
are easy as well. I like the 4 State tuner because it does so well with a whip and random wire and
it has three knob adjustment and is ultra light. The whole antenna and tuner fit on a tiny tripod.?
The beauty of the QMX+ is the full range of frequencies and simple menu.?
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I do a lot of SWLing and I don't like being in the cold wind....So the inside the tent setup
suits me. Anyone with QMX and QMX+ camping or hotel setups please send pix and ideas.
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Best 73, and avoid the wind HiHi,?
George?
K3GK?
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I Forgot
Thomas, K4SWL has a great YouTube channel check it out.
I forgot to point that out. POTA and SOTA fans and many of us watch
it!


 

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Hi George
" Anyone with QMX and QMX+ camping or hotel setups please send pix and ideas.: " k3gk "
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Right... 6 inch down / 43 inch up
Left tripod will support that heavy MFJ 17 ft vertical in light wind
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Both require at least one 17ft counterpoise, two best for 1.2 SWR or better
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That "hangy-down" on right is a CMC (common mode choke) to "force" rf teturn current down inside coax shield (where it belongs) to help keep rf out of the shack

You know there is a issue when you finger touch key or xcvr and SWR changes such that re-adjustment is required
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72 73
John
N3AAZ


 

If my experience is any indication, you may have have RF feedback issues (if you transmit).
If you use an external tuner that probably means that you will have some length of feedline between the rig and the tuner and antenna.
In that configuration, I need to be about 12 feet away from the antenna and have an RF choke inline at the antenna with the counterpoise running in the opposite direction for success.
For me, it rules out having the antenna inside the tent.
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73, Mike KK7ER
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Mike - I've only operated my QMX with an EFHW, but have been contemplating a 17 ft vertical for a planned POTA rove. Is the RF a problem for CW ops, or just FT8? What are the symptoms?

Tnx de va3rr


 

Mike, et al,
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RF in the shack is a feed line issue when there is rf current flowing on the outside braid of coax (not a mode (CW vs SSB or FT-8)) issue
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Several factors induce the feed line to become part of the antenna and radiate rf
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Two most common
Impedance mismatch between antenna feed point and feed line
Second, feed line length becomes a fractional wave length of the operating frequencies?
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Eliminate feed line and there is no issue
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... image ... this type CMC does exactly that
Ant feed point on one end and tuner/XCVR on the other AND now probably best tent shack setup ever created?
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Obviously for ants outside the shack leave CMC at feed point and extend feed line length. hi HI !!
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Note that 17ft is a 'magic' non resonante length for such things as
counter poise
vertical telescopic antenna?
AND ?probably best feed line length?

On 40, 30, 20 I either base load the vertical or use a tuner in the shack
On 17 and up adjust telescope length?
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72 73
John
N3AAZ
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Hi Russell,
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With the short, loaded vertical (that could fit indoors), the symptoms of RF in the shack/tent/hotel-room were that the QMX SWR protection trips, it stops transmitting, the QMX resets itself, USB connection drops, etc.? Also, it was harder to get a match to the shortened vertical using the ZM-2 tuner without an RF choke at the antenna.? The mode doesn't matter so much but if you are "on the edge" (meaning level of RF on the coax shield is marginally bad), then low duty cycle modes may go longer without trouble than high duty cycle modes.? YMMV...
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73, Mike KK7ER
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Thanks Mike!
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George,
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No reason at all why a QMX should not work inside a tent.? How big is your tent? Are you talking about a camping tent, or something like a pavilion or picnic table shelter?? Most camping tent don't even have enough room to stand up in.
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Your antenna will be limited by the height of your tent. As you know the most important part of your station is the antenna. No doubt you can get something to work inside your tent, but I think you'd be better served with an outside antenna.
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I do a lot of POTA.? My two go to antennas are an EFHW and a QRP Guys tri-band vertical. The vertical is held up by a 5.6 meter telescopic "squid" fishing pole. I have multiple tuned wires for the EFHW, although the 40 m wire will acceptably handle 40, 20, and 15 meters without needing a tuner. The tri-band vertical is also a resonant antenna and it covers 40, 30, and 20--but with switching out a few more tuned wires, it will handle 17, 15, 12, and 10 as well.
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Which antenna I set up depends on the activation location. I do a lot of POTA activations at Cape Lookout National Seashore--no trees on the seashore--so I use the vertical held in a sand spike.? I activate another location where the ground is too rocky to put in a ground spike. That's where I need to use the EFHW and a throw line to hang it in a tree.
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My activations are all CW QRP at 5 watts, but I don't feel handicapped. About 5% of my QSOs at Cape Lookout are DX. I've worked the British Isles, Europe, VK land, Argentina, the Caribbean, Chile, Alaska, Hawaii and more, on 20 meters.
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Some 95% of POTA operators are Hunters. Only about 5% are activators. With a 19 times more Hunters than Activators, and spotting on POTA.app, you will seldom have difficulty getting at least 10 QSOs for an activation.? The hunters will nearly always have a better antenna and be using more power than you are. They'll assume that if they can hear you, they can work you. And they're right! My sent RSTs run 2 or 3 S-Units higher than what I get back with my 5 watts, but we still make contacts, and lots of them.? But that's no reason to use a compromised antenna if you don't need to.
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For the record, I think both the EFHW and the tri-band vertical work equally well. I haven't noticed any advantage with either one. Again, which one I use depends upon local conditions. I make my own 49:1 transformers, and since I only use QRP, they can be small and light. For that reason, when I traveled to England and Ireland last September, I took the 30 and 40 meter EFHW antennas, my low band QMX, my 20m QCX, and the rest. Even though the telescopic fish pole collapses to 22", and weighs about 10 ounces, I didn't take the tri-band vertical.
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My time was limited, as my family was waiting for me. I ended up with 10 QSOs over 3 attempts, all on 20m. Even though I spotted myself on POTA.app, I don't know how much the Europeans check POTA Spots.? My early afternoon operating times translated to 7-9pm on the east coast, where they could have noticed my spots. And finally, I think most of the European CW activity was on a lower segment of the band than where I was used to calling CQ? POTA.?? Too bad that didn't occur to me at the time.
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All the best, and good luck.? Feel free to PM me if I can be of help to you with further questions.
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Jack N8EU
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Consider something like a wolf river coil vertical just outside the tent.?
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There is a parameter called radiation resistance. For a very short antenna it can be just a few ohms, overwhelmed by losses. Not that I didn't reach P29CC on 10m ssb from a 3 foot whip from eastern US once. But these are pretty rare.?
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Curt
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