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50w PA suddenly making QCX+ reset with key contacts close #50w #80m #50wpa #amplifier


 

Old Post, but related to my new problem.
My 50w PA has been working fine on 80m with my QCX+, but while in use recently, it began to have a distorted sound, heard via the sidetone, and then the QCX+ would reset whenever the CW key made contact.?? I've had the PA on the bench feeding it from signal generator and keying with QCX-mini.? I get power out, but I have signal (using O'scope) on both sides of several inductors meant to keep RF off the Bias network.? It is a reduced signal, but I don't think I should see any, or is this normal.??? If it is not correct to see any signal on transmit on the Bias Network side of these inductors, can a failed final transistor be a cause?? Is there another component failure others have seen that would cause this? ??

Thank you
Eric


 

This is a classic presentation for a marginal power supply upstream of both units.? Will (WD5GJA/SK) and I saw a similar problem with a Radio Shack TRS-80 and a big HVAC fan at his house, many years ago.? His solution was to put a salvaged monster power filter in line ahead of the TRS-80.

When you key the transmitter, it keys the PA.? When the PA keys, assuming a 12V supply, it immediately draws somewhere between, oh, probably 4.5 amps to 8 amps.? If the power supply can't handle that sharp an edge on the current demand, the supply's output voltage WILL sag, and it can easily sag enough to drop the processor out.

The "throw money at it" solution is independent power supplies, ideally on different legs of the house feed.? Alternatively, you could find or design a suitable filter.

Good luck!

--John R. Strohm WB5YOO ?

On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 05:40:22 -0700, "Eric Fox via groups.io" <ericfox16@...> wrote:

Old Post, but related to my new problem.
My 50w PA has been working fine on 80m with my QCX+, but while in use recently, it began to have a distorted sound, heard via the sidetone, and then the QCX+ would reset whenever the CW key made contact.?? I've had the PA on the bench feeding it from signal generator and keying with QCX-mini.? I get power out, but I have signal (using O'scope) on both sides of several inductors meant to keep RF off the Bias network.? It is a reduced signal, but I don't think I should see any, or is this normal.??? If it is not correct to see any signal on transmit on the Bias Network side of these inductors, can a failed final transistor be a cause?? Is there another component failure others have seen that would cause this? ??

Thank you
Eric

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--John R. Strohm WB5YOO


 

Are you testing the PA into a dummy load ?


 

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Mr. Strohm,

You were spot on that it was not the PA. ?The power supply actually handles it all fine, what failed was not anything with the PA, as you surmised (well done), but the Droc buck converter I was using for almost a year to supply the QCX + with 12 volts from the 21 volt power supply to the PA. ? Has worked fine for a year but something in the buck converter failed. ?When you key the QCX + as soon as it pulls current from the buck converter, the converter voltage drops from 12 vdc to around 0.5 vdc¡­.way too low for the QCX+ to operate. ? ? Thank you. ? ?All running fine now with PA off the power supply and QCX+ off a battery.

Will try to fix the buck converter¡­. will also build my own using Hans¡¯ advise to use a 7812 regulator in TO-220 pkg with heat sink and a couple capacitors to provide 12 vdc at 1.5 amp (max).

Cheers
Eric?


 

Mr. Akhurst,

Yes, I had the QCX-mini running off a battery, in practice mode, but just in case, had it connected to the QRP Labs Dummy Load (love that little thing).
The PA was getting the PTT signal from the QCX-mini, signal in from the Signal Generator, and running out into a substantial 200 Watt 50 ohm dummy load.? Actually, had a power meter on output of the PA then into the dummy load.? thanks.?? Problem turned out to be the buck converter powering the QCX+, not the PA.
Eric