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Has anyone built the 10 watt PA kit and used it with the QMX?


 

On 26/02/2025 04:42, Don via groups.io wrote:
I’m curious if anyone has built the 10 watt HF linear PA kit and successfully used it with their QMX or QMX+? Will it work if/when ssb is enabled on the QMX?
Don,

This has been discussed many times.
It is not suitable, with a maximum input of 30mW it has too much gain. A QMX is 3000-5000+mW

73 Alan G4ZFQ


 

Hi
What if
You take the power transistors out?
and?
use 74ACT68D's output to drive the 10Watt PA?
Through the LPFs of course
73 DE muhsin TA1MHS


 

2nd thought
we lose the amplitude modulation
use transistors with lower voltage
it is solveable
73 DE muhsin TA1MHS
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On 26/02/2025 08:17, Muhsin TA1MHS via groups.io wrote:
use 74ACT68D's output to drive the 10Watt PA?
Muhsin

That does seem possible.
I do not think this has been suggested before so it would be experimental.
At higher voltage it will give 20 watts, worth considering.

73 Alan G4ZFQ


 

On 26/02/2025 08:38, Muhsin TA1MHS via groups.io wrote:
we lose the amplitude modulation
use transistors with lower voltage
it is solveable
Oh! Yes no SSB or power control without extra modification.
That makes the idea very experimental.


 

Skipping past "no one will ever hear the difference at the other end"

You could certainly build a more powerful power amp stage into the QMX circuit.? ?You might find yourself upgrading other components (LPF's, TX RX switching etc).? ?From my experience the 10W linear is not flat gain over the full HF bands so programable or frequency contoured attenuation might still be needed and that might need a T501 /buffer/amp stage.? ?The power control part will certainly need re working and that's probably not as easy as it sounds

Overall I think you'd need to build the QMX board into the same box as a PA board and that would make it a lot less neat and tidy and considerably hotter so throw a fan in too.

So in short - just connect them together? NO
Just bridge the 10W pa board into the QMX plus PA stage space? ?Complicated
Remove the 10W PA's drivers and feed the QMX+ PA output there before returning to the switched LPF's Also complicated, still needs adjustable /contoured attenuating etc?

In short if you want to use the QMX+ and 10W PA circuits /boards as the source / inspiration for a quite complicated project and have the necessary knowledge and test gear it is possible to build a 'QMX+10W'? ?However if you have the necessary knowledge and test gear you probably wouldn't need to ask? . .?

Lets end with "no one will ever hear the difference at the other end"


 

I plan on using the QDX with the 10 w amp. QDX built for 12 volts and supplied with just 6 volts then output fed through a 20 dB attenuator. Will use PTT to bypass the attenuator and the amplifier on receive.


 

Schreibel,
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How do you plan to address the low pass filter requirement?


 

Crazy but Good luck . .? ?

IC2 regulator to name just one will not be happy at 6V and hope you know you'll need a load of band switched Low pass filters on the 10W amp output too.


 

Hi Alan,
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Yeah I saw that. I deleted the post shortly posting it. Not sure why anyone’s still seeing it.
Thanks for that heads up. I need to do a better job of researching my curiosity before asking the group.
?
Don.


 

On 26/02/2025 16:15, Don via groups.io wrote:
Not sure why anyone’s still seeing it.
Don,

Watch out!
Everything you post gets sent to the many email users of the group.
A post is something else that can last for ever..

73 Alan G4ZFQ


 

Only going to use it on 17.


 

>>>use transistors with lower voltage
it is solveable<<<
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You apparently do not understand how things work.
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Ta1mHS
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The 10W amp was designed for lower drive levels.? For a QMX to do that
and not sacrifice anything There is a need need to attenuate its output
by roughly 20db.? To me a waste of power.
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Since the 10W amp is only that all of the switching for RX and TX needs to
be created and that would also include low pass filter.
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Generally using that amp at the output of a radio that does
3-5W is barking up the wrong tree.? IT also does not increase the
power enough to be significant (20W wold be a marginal increse)..
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73, Barb


 

On Thu, Feb 27, 2025 at 08:57 AM, ajparent1/kb1gmx wrote:
Generally using that amp at the output of a radio that does
3-5W is barking up the wrong tree.? IT also does not increase the
power enough to be significant (20W wold be a marginal increse)..
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My rule of thumb is 10dB gain minimum, maybe 6dB for a device for which no higher power alternate exists.? Pretty much what Allison said.
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There is an amplifier figure of merit called "power-added efficiency" which is?
(Pout-Pin)/(Vsupply*Isupply)
When the gain is very low this metric becomes very small.??
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It seems like madness to have a 20dB pad at the input of a 23dB gain amp.? It makes for a good input return loss, though!
73, Don N2VGU