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Quiet Power Supply


 

Hi to the group !
I have a few QRPLabs radios not yet assembled and I'm now considering my power supply options.? I have some hearing loss and tinnitus so a quiet radio/power supply will be a great help.? I have Pyramid brand linear power supplies in both 12V and 13.8V, cheap 12V and 13.8V switchers bought from Amazon and all components necessary to build my own linear supply.? My idea is to feed the chosen power supply through an isolation transformer (Amazon) and to add chokes to the DC output.? I have several of the toroid power chokes sold in assortments by Radio Shack (Radio Shack P/N 273-0108).? There are small chokes in the assortment rated 6 Amp and larger ones rated 20 Amp.??
My questions are, should I go with a linear PS, a switching PS, or build my own linear supply? Will the isolation transformer reduce noise? Can I use several of the Radio Shack chokes in series at the output?? Should I add additional capacitance at the output?? Will a metallic enclosure for the whole project help?? I would also use a standard (Amazon) input line filter before the isolation transformer.? I think this might be overkill but it would be a fun and interesting project.
There are a lot of very technically competent people in this group and I will very much appreciate hearing from you.
Thanks to All and Good DX !
Jim WB4ILP?


 

There are some good quiet switchers out there, but there are a lot of noisy ones as well.? You'll never go wrong with a linear supply.? They are inherently quiet.? You won't need to mess with any kind of isolation or noise choking with a linear supply.? But linear supplies are bigger and heavier than switchers.? If that's not a concern, go with a linear supply.? Whatever you wind up using, make sure it is regulated and that the output voltage is within the radio's input voltage limits (refer to your radio manual for the specs).?

Here's a tip from and for the frugal ham.? For powering QRP rigs, I've often used old CB-type regulated supplies.? You can buy them cheap at swap meets and garage sales.? On more than one occasion, I've also salvaged the complete regulated power supply sections out of junked solid-state base station CB radios and packaged them up in suitable chassis boxes with a fuse, suitable output connections, an LED pilot lamp, and a 3-wire power cord.? In fact, I have one sitting over on the other side of the shack right now which I salvaged from a junked Royce base station.? Cost me basically nothing and was a fun project.? Most CB power supplies are good for at least 2 amps, which is more than enough to run a typical QRP rig.?
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73/72,
Dean K5DH


 

Thanks Dean !
OK, it sounds like a linear supply is the way to go.? I have the parts to build one with the possible exception of high capacitance filter caps.? ?How large should the filter caps be for optimum performance?
Jim


 

For those who are wondering? , this is the type of supply that? JB is considering -

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It's a fairly basic design by Weber and the PCB is available from Far circuits in Chicago for not much money. However? Mr Weber does
not document his filter calculations at all for this design.

TEF


 

Jim

The Ripple voltage for a simple? non regulated circuit? as long as?
The DIODE Bridge is FULL WAVE
Then ac input the rectifier is? 60 Hz
?
is? ?Vr =? 0.0024? x? Vpeak/ RL CF where? RL is the equivalent load.? You will find this in Linear Integrated Circuits by Wizner and possibly also in the PSupply section of the Handbook.
?
NB this ripple is attenuated by a around -60 dB or? a factor of 1000 if a? LM78 series regulator
is used in the load path as well.? ?A simple cct using a MOSfet pass device does ot benefit from?
?
this unless the gate is fed from such a regulator
?
So the fractional ripple is a function of? ?/RL Cf? where? consisent units are used.? RL for a? 2A??
@14 volt load would be 7 ohms? However the equivalent resistance of the feed transformer?
should be added to this for accuracy - if known or if can be obtained from an Ac load test.
?
?
So? if? Cf was? 10 000 uF? or 0.01 F? then with the above load?
the fractional rippled at 60 Hz feed & FW rectifier would be? 0.034 or? 3.4 percent.?
?
If the final voltage past the Pass Mosfet is fed back to the gate of the mosfet and on the was?
compared to a reference value, the final ripple will depend on the dynamics of the circuit .?
?
Really the simplest way to? establish the final result in this case is a dynamic simulation using?
?
LTspice.? It might seem a bit OTT but? the mathematics of this apparently trivial cct in a?
?
dynamic situation will involve a lot of desk work. Alternatively and crudely - copy a known good?
?
cct and factor it for increased or decreased maximum load requirements.
?
Many Quality? so called computer grade smoothing capacitors will have a ripple rating stamped?
on them or? on the datasheet. If you put them in a cct where the smoothing capacitance is?
inadequate for the load , the ripple parameter will be exceeded and the lifetime of the capacitor?
?
will be reduced. It stands to reason - that ripple will end up as heating within the body of the?
capacitor.?
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I will also post this to the Group?
?
TEF


 

I have been using a repurposed server power supply for my shack.? ?They are very cheap on Ebay. I bought three of them. think I paid $20 each.? They provide up to 55 amps of power.? ?They're designed to be quiet and run 24/7/365.? They put out 12v but depending on the model can be modified to put out 13.8v.? I modified mine for 13.8v. Works great.?

For my QRP setup in just fine with a battery.?

73
Eric?


 

I advise against the little buck/boost converters currently available from Amazon and other places.? I wasted many days chasing intermittent problems on a U3S that all instantly went away when I swapped it out for an LM7805.? A large electrolytic on the switcher didn't seem to help either.??


 

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Here's the page I used to convert one. Think O paid about $25 US for it.




John KY4WW?
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I have been using a repurposed server power supply for my shack.? ?They are very cheap on Ebay. I bought three of them. think I paid $20 each.? They provide up to 55 amps of power.? ?They're designed to be quiet and run 24/7/365.? They put out 12v but depending on the model can be modified to put out 13.8v.? I modified mine for 13.8v. Works great.?

For my QRP setup in just fine with a battery.?

73
Eric?

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John KY4WW


 

Hi Jerry,
I understand your concern with these Amazon units. What problems were you having with the buck boost converter?
I picked one up to throttle my qcx+down to 1 watt for wspr and for other breadboard experiments. Have not noticed any issues. I just want to be aware of what might happen and to keep an eye out for it.

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regards,
Bryan, N0LUF


 

Has anyone repurposed an old? ATX power supply from a desktop for the Qrp-Labs gear??

I have one but while well regulated it does not seem very clean compared to other various supplies around the shack.
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regards,
Bryan, N0LUF


 

Hi Eric,
Can you provide ordering info for the Amazon unit you bought.? Sounds like a real value at $20 bucks !
Thank You !
Jim WB4ILP?


 

Unless I missed a posting of his, Eric stated he got these off eBay rather than Amazon.
This means there's a very good chance these are sold out.


 

Just search for "Server Power Supply".... and scroll. There are quite a few.?


 

If you find this particular model,? I have pictures and instructions on how to modify it to increase the voltage to 13.8v.


 



Here's a link to a listing for $18


 

Thanks Eric,
I found the same/similar items on Amazon.? Yes, I would appreciate the info on the conversion.? I'm sure others here might be interested also.
I guess more than the basic supply I was more interested in everyone's opinion about taking a good linear or switching supply (I already have several) and adding components such as an isolation transformer between the AC mains and the supply's input.? Would this reduce power line noise that might get through to the supplies output? I have read that it would add isolation to power line noise.? Bifilar chokes/caps on the AC input? Adding toroidal chokes on the DC output?? (I have a bunch of Radio Shack # 273-0108).? Additional filter caps at the output?? A full metal enclosures?? Since I have everything in my junk box/parts bins (except the isolation transformer) there is not a lot of out of pocket expense but will it accomplish anything???
I live in a semi urban environment with moderate noise from neighbor's lighting/electronics, a small woodworking company with the usual power equipment and a high voltage power line only 75 yards from where my new wire antennas have to go.
Any input is appreciated.? Jim


 

If anyone is interested in the mod's for the above server supply, please PM me and I'll get the pictures to you.?
73
Eric


 

Hi Eric
Yes, pls send details
TU
73 de Mike?

On Sat, 9 Mar 2024, 08:53 Eric K7EBR, <kerfwappie@...> wrote:
If anyone is interested in the mod's for the above server supply, please PM me and I'll get the pictures to you.?
73
Eric


 

I have one of these kits, the Wall Wart Tamer from Pacific Antenna, but have not assembled it yet. I intend to use it for powering my 12V QMX from my travel trailer power supply.

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Roy - KI0ER?
Littleton, Colorado USA?