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Re: why are there 3 discussion groups?

 

Hi PE1FSS

Anybody can start any discussion group they like, for any purpose they like.?

There is only one official discussion group for all QRP Labs products, it is this one. The QRP Labs group has over 4,000 members and high activity. It's the only group I am active in for discussion of QRP Labs products.?

73 Hans G0UPL?
?


On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 21:04 PE1FSS <rxtx1950@...> wrote:
Hello all.
When I sought support for my qcx I found 3
discussion groups. I
qcx
qcx-ok
QRPLabs.
I assumed that the qcx group was specific for support while the QRPLabs was more about development.
After placing my help message in qcx, I discovered that this group had virtually no activity. Now I have moved my message to QRPLabs. However, the question remains what the difference is between these groups.

Bye


why are there 3 discussion groups?

 

Hello all.
When I sought support for my qcx I found 3
discussion groups. I
qcx
qcx-ok
QRPLabs.
I assumed that the qcx group was specific for support while the QRPLabs was more about development.
After placing my help message in qcx, I discovered that this group had virtually no activity. Now I have moved my message to QRPLabs. However, the question remains what the difference is between these groups.

Bye


Re: Qcx40 loosing time

 

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Typo.....

Page 102


Alan

On 24/04/2019 18:46, Alan de G1FXB via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi Terry,
Adjustment for consistent timing errors is of 20MHz reference frequency,?? menu option 8.6
A brief how to, is on page 101 of the current assembly manual.

Alan

On 24/04/2019 18:05, terry murphy via Groups.Io wrote:
My Qcx40 looses about 10 seconds every 48 hours.
Is there an adjustment I am missing?



de W6LEO??


Re: Qcx40 loosing time

 

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Hi Terry,
Adjustment for consistent timing errors is of 20MHz reference frequency,?? menu option 8.6
A brief how to, is on page 101 of the current assembly manual.

Alan

On 24/04/2019 18:05, terry murphy via Groups.Io wrote:

My Qcx40 looses about 10 seconds every 48 hours.
Is there an adjustment I am missing?



de W6LEO??


Qcx40 loosing time

 

My Qcx40 looses about 10 seconds every 48 hours.
Is there an adjustment I am missing?



de W6LEO?


Re: 50+ Watts am for QCX... More light hearted

 

My first job in life was fixing things.? Involved film projectors and related products. Grew to fixing electronic flashes.? Was fixing one and had to reform the capacitor. Was within 6 inches of it and the main capacitor blew up.? So loud it affected my hearing for a couple days.? High frequencies sounded low and vise versa.? On my work bench I had a AM radio powered by No 6 dry cells.? My boss came in and saw this and referred it to a FLQ Bomb.? This is Canadian thing, some may remember this from years ago.? Lastly, as a kid, I made a breadboard with a few terminal strips, built a regenerative AM radio and was able to pick up a radio station in Victoria BC from Vancouver.??It used?a couple 2N170 transistors, remember those. Have also built several of the Genesis SDR radios but have moved on. ? My last projects were 2 QCX radios.? Thumbs up on these. 50 years later I'm still fixing things...

Cheers 72/73

Ray VE7AVG/VA7SK


From: Steve Ireland <vk6vz@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [QRPLabs] 50+ Watts am for QCX...

Hi Hans
?
I applaud your ingenuity and QRO does have its place alongside QRP ¨C a lot of us do both.
?
In regard to exploding mosfets, about 15 years ago a good friend, with my dubious assistance, built a couple of versions of Dave Pick G3YXM¡¯s Throbbatron amplifier ¨C see ?
?
In the original version, after eating a couple of FETs, my mate got the amplifier working nicely and stably on 160m CW by using quite a lot of bias, but I foolishly and insistently kept pressing him to get it working on SSB as well.
?
He then rebuilt the amp with lots of safety features, removed the bias and, hey presto, it ate IXFH58N20s in a fairly spectacular and absolutely continuous manner.? The amp now sits in a corner of my shed looking sad.
?
There is a lot of black magic and luck when it comes to making FET amps. What we learnt is if you get one working, don¡¯t change the design!!!
?
Vy 73
?
Steve, VK6VZ/G3ZZD
?
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 12:29 AM
Subject: [QRPLabs] 50+ Watts am for QCX...
?
Hi all
?
A lighthearted intermission, that I hope you enjoy, discussing first "WHY" then the story of explosions, fireworks... and finally a successful and simple junkbox amplifier producing over 50W RF from a QCX-40.
?
See
?
73 Hans G0UPL

Virus-free.



Re: 50+ Watts am for QCX...

 

Please package this as a kit when you get it perfected Mr. Summers. Very best of 73 de Tom, AB9NZ


Re: 50+ Watts am for QCX...

 

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This story brought back memories of a 10x 1625 "amp" me and one of my ham buddies built back in the mid-60's.? We were 15 year olds with fresh General? licenses and figured we could make anything work.

It didn't come close to working but the way it eat up 1625's was entertaining, there would be a little hot spot on a plate that would travel around until the plate disintegrated.?? What fun, so we would turn it off and stick in another 1625 (we had a 50 or so) and watch it burn up.

Eventually we dispensed with turning it off to add a new victim.? That worked until my pinkie found it's way to contact one of the loose plate caps and I found myself flying across the room. smelling of burnt hair.

73 Jack KZ5A


On 4/23/2019 7:52 PM, Steve Ireland wrote:

Hi Hans
?
I applaud your ingenuity and QRO does have its place alongside QRP ¨C a lot of us do both.
?
In regard to exploding mosfets, about 15 years ago a good friend, with my dubious assistance, built a couple of versions of Dave Pick G3YXM¡¯s Throbbatron amplifier ¨C see ?
?
In the original version, after eating a couple of FETs, my mate got the amplifier working nicely and stably on 160m CW by using quite a lot of bias, but I foolishly and insistently kept pressing him to get it working on SSB as well.
?
He then rebuilt the amp with lots of safety features, removed the bias and, hey presto, it ate IXFH58N20s in a fairly spectacular and absolutely continuous manner.? The amp now sits in a corner of my shed looking sad.
?
There is a lot of black magic and luck when it comes to making FET amps. What we learnt is if you get one working, don¡¯t change the design!!!
?
Vy 73
?
Steve, VK6VZ/G3ZZD
?
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 12:29 AM
Subject: [QRPLabs] 50+ Watts am for QCX...
?
Hi all
?
A lighthearted intermission, that I hope you enjoy, discussing first "WHY" then the story of explosions, fireworks... and finally a successful and simple junkbox amplifier producing over 50W RF from a QCX-40.
?
See
?
73 Hans G0UPL

Virus-free.



Re: 50+ Watts am for QCX...

 

I like the similar design by Don Huff W6JI which won the QST homebrew challenge back in 2009 or so.

Joe






On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 9:52 PM Steve Ireland <vk6vz@...> wrote:
Hi Hans
?
I applaud your ingenuity and QRO does have its place alongside QRP ¨C a lot of us do both.
?
In regard to exploding mosfets, about 15 years ago a good friend, with my dubious assistance, built a couple of versions of Dave Pick G3YXM¡¯s Throbbatron amplifier ¨C see ?
?
In the original version, after eating a couple of FETs, my mate got the amplifier working nicely and stably on 160m CW by using quite a lot of bias, but I foolishly and insistently kept pressing him to get it working on SSB as well.
?
He then rebuilt the amp with lots of safety features, removed the bias and, hey presto, it ate IXFH58N20s in a fairly spectacular and absolutely continuous manner.? The amp now sits in a corner of my shed looking sad.
?
There is a lot of black magic and luck when it comes to making FET amps. What we learnt is if you get one working, don¡¯t change the design!!!
?
Vy 73
?
Steve, VK6VZ/G3ZZD
?
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 12:29 AM
Subject: [QRPLabs] 50+ Watts am for QCX...
?
Hi all
?
A lighthearted intermission, that I hope you enjoy, discussing first "WHY" then the story of explosions, fireworks... and finally a successful and simple junkbox amplifier producing over 50W RF from a QCX-40.
?
See
?
73 Hans G0UPL

Virus-free.


Re: FT4 is out..

 

KI is German for AI.


Re: FT4 is out..

 

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 11:38 AM, Harv - K2PI wrote:
Reduced bandwidth? ?Happy if it keeps the RTTY contests from taking over the CW sub-bands. ?

From

Experience will tell what may be the best strategy for selecting dial frequencies during contests, and for how many ~3 kHz segments should be used for FT4 on each band. As initial guidelines we suggest the following default dial frequencies for FT4: 3.595, 7.090, 10.140, 14.140, 18.104, 21.140, 24.919, 28.180, 50.318, 144.170 MHz. We will welcome any feedback that could lead to better frequency choice

I guess that these are dial frequencies for USB, and I'm not sure what freq offset WSJT-X uses.

- Andy -


Re: QCX QSO party on Monday 29th April #qrp-dx #qcx

 

Me too! Code Quick was a fantastic way to learn the code.?


Re: QCX QSO party on Monday 29th April #qrp-dx #qcx

 

Hi Jens
For now at least its even simpler than that:

Non-QCX to Non-QCX 1 point
Non-QCX to QCX? ? ? 3 points
QCX to non-QCX? 1 point
QCX to QCX? ?3 points?

Hope to catch you on Monday for 3 points!?

73
Peter GM0EUL


Re: FT4 is out..

 

Hi Olaf

Love the post. And the hunter/B-52 analogy.?

But what is "KI" please?

73 Hans G0UPL?
?


On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 10:52 <dl5ybz@...> wrote:
Haha...ok.. welcome to the ultmate world of? KI driven? full automated contest...

The advantage is... it is easy to teach a KI to fulfill the bandplans... ?? but this mode is a add on to FT-8 ... not a sub... ? so bet on it, we will lose again some kHz? CW? only band... ? ?

The old? order? 'use it or lose it'????? is hopeless against?? 24/7?? possible automated stations...????? and? as we all know the bandplan council loves to count transmitters in the air and contacts logged in Webdatabases... ? ?

But I learned.. ? listen long.. ? listen careful...? watch the bands.. and after that done again..... do a QSO... ? so 99 % of by band use is listening... ?? Just compare a hunter sitting in the bush just to spot? the rare bird with a? B-52? dropping it's bomb down the wood and check the ash for the DNA of the rare bird...? and who have a nice picture showing a Ham CW op? against? a KI driven? digital station.??? .. and yes.. you get it.. the B-52 drops? the bomb even if there is a hunter sitting in the bush...

Don't get me wrong..??? I use also FT-8? JST65 etc...?? but not for contacts that are expected to be bring in a nice S/N ...?? but i want to get into contact with someone .. not with something ..

just my 2 cents...

Olaf / DL5YBZ



Re: FT8 for U3?

 

Hi Alan :),

After I start JS8CALL, I monitor ALL.TXT.

A simple graphing tool could monitor propogation by plotting 'snr' of the individual stations.

Another tool could present live conversations.

Both would add a lot to the JS8 presentation.

I just turned JS8 on. No response to my @allcall query call transmission.

I guess most folks don't leave their RPi JS8 boxes on.

John

On Wed, 24 Apr 2019, Alan de G1FXB via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi John,

Hi John,
No problem on typo, I'm guilty as well.
The 428 runs 8051 architecture?? it's good, but I wondering if reliving the 1990's was the solution.

I remember the first time, where all the "spare" space gone on my HDD? check out the size of that all.text file......... :-[

Alan

On 23/04/2019 10:18, jmh6@... wrote:
Hi All,
? Yes, I mis typed. AT328 seems to be the processor of choice. Nice that QCX uses a DIP version.
? My interest in JS8 is that the ASCII data source keyboard or whatever can use the same RF transmitter. I am curious what sort of range I could get with a mag. loop as the transmit antenna?
? The receiver can be a 'normal' JS8 setup. The data sent winds up as ASCII in the ALL.TXT file on the receiving end. I suppose another QCX could be used as the RF frontend or just a regular transceiver.
? Something more to do on a rainy day :).
? Lost of fun :).
? warm regards,
? John
On Mon, 22 Apr 2019, Graham wrote:

Jason NT7S has JT8 encoding in his jtencode library for the Arduino and also has his si5351a library.
both are quite popular with experimenters, are "do all" libraries (i.e. quite large) and work. I have no experience using other than the WSPR encoding function of his jtencode library however.
cheers, Graham ve3gtc
On 4/22/2019 10:57, Alan de G1FXB via Groups.Io wrote:
Thanks John,
Just to make sure is it a typo or am I missing a something subtle. Are we both still talking ATmega328 or you really an AT428? (Nearest ATmtel match AT89LP428??)
NOT recently but, (would be for betaFT8 not JS8) I looked for code running on specifically on an existing Ardunio platform (I'm not a code guy)
for a Adafruit 5351 offshelf building block solution, and could not find any hence the interest.
Alan
On 22/04/2019 00:47, jmh6@... wrote:
Hi Alan,
?? My understanding is that known good AT428 code exists to encode FT8. JS8 uses the same format with a different sync sequence and somewhat different encoding. From what I can tell the pieces are essentially all there. Just gotta glue them together? Or as one of my friends put it, it is all SMOP [Small matter of programming :)].
?? I am thinking your ASCII keyboard sends serial characters to a pin on the QCX and as long as the QCX buffer has characters they are encoded as packets and sent. Simple.
?? No transceive for now.
?? John
On Sun, 21 Apr 2019, Alan de G1FXB via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi John,
FT8 / JS8 built into a QCX is an interesting challenge.
More so depending if your development aims to maintain backward CW
Transceive capability or new Digimode Transmit only?
As it stands on transmit? the QCX knows little about the outside world
beyond what's provided by the straight / paddle key inputs which is
coincidently shared with an optionally connected GPS.
When you say:-
"? You can also easily experiment with remote JS8 data collection sorts of
things by just sending ASCII to the remote QCX. "
If the "ASCII characters" are not already present in the NMEA Sentence,
what's the route in to the ATmega328?
I'll be interested in the QCX encode link when you find it.
Alan
On 20/04/2019 16:33, jmh6@... wrote:
????? Hi All,
????? ?? I have an interest in making QCX and other QRP-LABS products
????? send JS8.
????? ?? The idea being that you send ASCII characters to the QCX and
????? it forms JS8 packets and sends them as long as there are
????? characters in the buffer.
????? ?? I that way your typing goes out maybe a different antenna and
????? you can receive JS8 with your normal XCVR and computer at the
????? same time :).
????? ?? You can also easily experiment with remote JS8 data
????? collection sorts of things by just sending ASCII to the remote
????? QCX.
????? ?? There is source code already on the web that runs in the QCX
????? though off hand I don't remember where and haven't compiled and
????? run it myself yet.
????? ?? Generating JS8 directly with the 5351 should give a very
????? clean RF signal since the RF is created directly by that chip.
????? ?? Is anyone else interested?
????? ?? John
????? On Sat, 20 Apr 2019, Andy Brilleaux via Groups.Io wrote:
??????????? On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 12:46 PM, Alan G4ZFQ wrote:
??????????? ????? Serves you right:-) Built for Windows so you
??????????? can have some of
??????????? ????? the updating pain we have?
??????????? Ironically, pre-built binaries for Raspberry Pi's
??????????? (including v2.01) work
??????????? fine ;-)
??????????? But for those of us using our daily work machines,
??????????? on stable and LTS support
??????????? code bases were completely disowned in favour of OS
??????????? versions that are barely
??????????? out of beta testing.
??????????? - Andy -


Re: FT4 is out..

 

Haha...ok.. welcome to the ultmate world of? KI driven? full automated contest...

The advantage is... it is easy to teach a KI to fulfill the bandplans... ?? but this mode is a add on to FT-8 ... not a sub... ? so bet on it, we will lose again some kHz? CW? only band... ? ?

The old? order? 'use it or lose it'????? is hopeless against?? 24/7?? possible automated stations...????? and? as we all know the bandplan council loves to count transmitters in the air and contacts logged in Webdatabases... ? ?

But I learned.. ? listen long.. ? listen careful...? watch the bands.. and after that done again..... do a QSO... ? so 99 % of by band use is listening... ?? Just compare a hunter sitting in the bush just to spot? the rare bird with a? B-52? dropping it's bomb down the wood and check the ash for the DNA of the rare bird...? and who have a nice picture showing a Ham CW op? against? a KI driven? digital station.??? .. and yes.. you get it.. the B-52 drops? the bomb even if there is a hunter sitting in the bush...

Don't get me wrong..??? I use also FT-8? JST65 etc...?? but not for contacts that are expected to be bring in a nice S/N ...?? but i want to get into contact with someone .. not with something ..

just my 2 cents...

Olaf / DL5YBZ



Re: QCX QSO party on Monday 29th April #qrp-dx #qcx

DG2FDD
 

Dear Peter,

good idea to simplify.

To state it even clearer, does that mean:

QCX to non-QCX 1 Point
non-QCX to QCX 1 Point
QCX to QCX 3 Points

Right?

73 de Jens, DG2FDD


Re: Wspr

 

I'm new to Wspr. I plan to buy a QRP Labs kit for Wspr. Is there a tutorial on how to set it up and use it? And which one should I purchase?
Gary,

The U3S is for WSPR, among many other modes. Can be setup for all bands, just one or many sequentially. The manuals are comprehensive, help from this group very good.
Assuming you also want to receive the RX module should be added or use your shack RX with WSJT-X.

I think some use the CQX but that is more of a compromise.

73 Alan G4ZFQ


Re: QCX Battery Voltage Indicator

 

Hi Samuli

Did you connect a wire from the DVM pin to the power supply? Forgetting this is the most common reason for empty icon...

73 Hans G0UPL?
?

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 07:46 Samuli J?rvinen <samuli.jarvinen@...> wrote:
Was this ever solved for you? I have the same problem with my unit. Battery indicator always shows empty. Although the radio is working fine.


Re: 50+ Watts amp for QCX...

 

Hello Allison?

Three things that kill MOSFETS fast, as in BANG!

Excessive gate drive, Excessive drain voltage, Excessive drain current.
Pick any one!

With the MOSFETs I was using I didn't think any of those should apply. I think sloppy layout and the enormous gate capacitance may have contributed to cause oscillation instability that caused one of the three!

My PP HF amp using 2 irf510s as linear with 28V on 40M will do easily 55W (at 2W drive)
and during initial build blast testing with 4W I got to 85W (at 32V)into the load, pushing
further I fried the devices but at 38V and 4W it did do 110W, for about 10 seconds.? Clearly
that was class C Saturated power.? Replaced the pair and since then (2006) dialed the PS back
to 28V with 4A current limit I've not fried any?despite opens, shorts and other oops errors.
I nominally run at 40-45W using it.? Gain is about 14DB without attenuator and the
attenuator is about 2.5db (matches my radios) and max drive is under 2W.? ?Look at
the WA2EBY/K5oor design.

Yes my results closely match yours. I estimated a 15dB gain (Class C bias) and my attenuator is ~4dB so 4W deom the QCX comes in a bit under 2W. All very close...

I wasn't trying for Linear operation only CW. Otherwise there's a few components I wouldn't have omitted, and I would of course increase the bias to get some decent idle current. And more attention on layout.

I have studied the OZ1PIF 6m amp too. These IRF510s are great devices indeed, when treated right.

Was great fun!

73 Hans G0UPL?