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Re: QCX finished - problems with receiver alignment

 

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Hello Heinz,

Oh well, it would have being an easy fix.....

Just to confirm, Factory reset, On first power up you correctly answered the 'what band request, then alignment menu.

(I omitted to bring attention to the band request must be answered correctly.)


To remind us all of your symptoms.

You have verified TX is correct, and another RX on identical frequency gives 700Hz CW tone (or close to, as we have tot attempted to fine tune the 27MHz Si5351 XTAL.)

This should prove CLK2 is present and a majority of the TX and shared RF components are OK.

(CLK2 is also repurposed when the internal signal generator is enabled to should also prove the inbuilt test generator is also working correctly)

If you have access to an oscilloscope check CLK0 & CLK1 which provide the QSD drive. A dual beam scope should show identical signals with a 90 phase shift.

Or if you have an bench top frequency counter you can check for the presence, but not the phase shift of the above.


The inbuilt frequency counter is limited to 8MHz max, so depending on the band of your TRX may require a lot of tuning knob spinning, to enable measurement. But is still a useful check if you do not have another more suitable item.


regards Alan



On 21/01/2018 15:32, OE5EEP wrote:

Hi Alan,

Thanks for your advice.
  • I have used a different 13.8V fixed voltage power supply instead of my benchtop variable voltage lab supply => no change
  • I did the factory reset => no change
You are right, missing signal from the internal test routine could result in the symptoms I am seeing. I probably could adjust the filter with the noise signal, but I fail on subsequent receiver adjustments for lack of a detectable signal. I will try to feed a signal from an external signal generator into the antenna jack and see if I can then adjust the receiver.

73 Heinz?


Re: QCX finished - problems with receiver alignment

 

Bingo! I got my sidetone!

I checked the signal path from the microcontroler pin 15 via R59 3K3 to the wiper of trimmer Pot R27. I resoldered the joint of the microcontroller pin and have my signal now crisp and clear in the earphone! It was a perfect looking solder joint before. I do not know what was bad with it.

I did the receiver adjustment, which seemed to work. I was surprised that all three adjustments (R27, R24, R17) are quite broad. Nevertheless, I found a maximum for I-Q balance R27 respectively minima for the later two and I am off to the band now.?

73 Heinz

PS: Why did my previous post not appear as a follow-up to Alans earlier post in the same tread??


Re: QCX finished - problems with receiver alignment

 

Hi Alan,

Thanks for your advice.
  • I have used a different 13.8V fixed voltage power supply instead of my benchtop variable voltage lab supply => no change
  • I did the factory reset => no change
You are right, missing signal from the internal test routine could result in the symptoms I am seeing. I probably could adjust the filter with the noise signal, but I fail on subsequent receiver adjustments for lack of a detectable signal. I will try to feed a signal from an external signal generator into the antenna jack and see if I can then adjust the receiver.

73 Heinz?


QCX and GPS

 

I have just completed my second QCX and have successfully installed it in the QRP labs enclosure, following Greg's (W3NW) advice which is on the QRP labs website. With a smaller R36 pot it all fits perfectly. Everything tuned up well and the unit is working as it should on 20m. However, when adding the GPS - SKM52 module it goes into permanent transmit like key down. My other QCX uses the same SKM52 and works without any problem. The GPS is correctly wired, and is receiving satellites at good signal strength. I am at a loss as to why this might be happening. Any advice or hints from this knowledgeable? group?
Patrick M0AFZ


Re: Interesting bit of information for the si5351a synthesizer chip

 

Greg,

Thank you for the additional information.

Did you create new firmware for the QrpLabs VFO or just "adjust" by a factor 2.7?


cheers, Graham ve3gtc

On 2018-01-21 05:17, Greg wrote:
Graham (and Hans),

Based on Hans' emails regarding locking an Si5351A synth module to a 10 MHz external reference (Rubidium, in my case), I can confirm that I was successful, based on the Nov. 2017 ARRL Frequency Measuring Test results. I invested in a VFO/SigGen kit with relay-switched LPF kit and got it operational about 1 minute before the FMT started.? I set the reference frequency to 10 MHz (vs. 27 MHz) and was ready to go with a frequency difference measuring technique and Spectrum Lab software.? My first measurement was a bit over 1 Hz error; the remaining 3 measurements were less than 1 Hz error.? With a bit of practice, I hope to get all measurements < 0.1 Hz error.

My Rb standard power output is a little low- about 3-4 dBm into 50 Ohms.? The 10 MHz reference signal goes directly into the Si5351A pin 2 (crystal pad) and ground on the synth. module board.? I plan on adding a 10 MHz CMOS crystal oscillator to the VFO/SigGen kit soon with an external BNC-BNC jumper cable so the siggen doesn't require the Rb standard for basic operation.? The Rb oscillator is an LPRO-101.? The LPRO AC-coupled output RF is split using a Minicircuits LRPS-2-1 in-phase power splitter.? The LPRS DC resistance of an output measures close to zero Ohms.? Then the output is wired directly to the BNC output connector.? So not external DC biases are applied; similar to what a crystal would do.


Re: QCX finished - problems with receiver alignement

 

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Good day Heinz,

I think the clue to your problem with RX alignment may be the fact you have no sidetone. hence the bargraph wildly changes without any adjustments being made, because it's not seeing a wanted signal.
I do not posses a QCX and can only read the manual and guess what the MCU driven detector is looking for. and how the sidetone is generated (in the firmware ?)
(Strange you were able to peak C1 with no sidetone, maybe it purely an RF level sample and not looking at demodulated level, or the peak you obtained was just from white noise, not the alignment generator?)

There are some other unknowns,
if I voice them now at best they may not be relevant and at worst we will end up going down a dead end trying to fault find....

Its a wild guess again, but it's quick and easy to see if we have results.

Using a known clean power supply, 13.8v shack one is ideal & protected bu a suitable value fuse....
Can you do a factory reset,? and attempt the alignment menu routine as a first step?
Do you get any different results ?

Regards Alan

On 21/01/2018 11:20, OE5EEP wrote:

Hi,

I have finished assembly of my 40m version of the QCX.

The transmitter works fine, has a clean and stable output as checked with another receiver. I get 2.8W HF out at 12.0 VDC / 0.46 A in or 4.0W out at 14.0 V / 0.52 A in. I do not hear any sidetone in the receiver during keying the TX.

The first step of receiver alignment, adjusting the band-pass trimmer was OK. I got a peak after removing 5 turns of? T1. When I proceeded to the adjustment of the I-Q balance trouble started. With the volume control full left (fully counterclockwise) I have no significant signal level on the amplitude bar (as it should). When I adjust the volume control clockwise the amplitude bar shows some signal, but it jumps up and down. The division ratio jumps from 3 to 7 without me touching anything. With the amplitude bar jumping there is no way I could adjust I-Q balance. It is the same with 90-degrees phase shift adjustment, amplitude bar and division ratio jump up and down like crazy.

I can hear no sidetone in the earphones during these adjustment steps, although there is a warning to take out the earphones because of the loud tone. There is no sidetone during transmit either.

I have the correct values for the multi-turn trimmer resistors R17, R24 and R27. I have resoldered all joints. The voltages at all ICs are roughly as they should per table on page 125. I have checked continuity of all T1 windings.

I have tried both, no connection at the antenna port or connection to a 50 Ohm dummy during adjustment. This makes no difference.

Any ideas what I could check next?

73 Heinz, OE5EEP


Re: QCX WSPR transmit - not clean output

Victor Nagoryanskii
 

Bill, Alan,

Thanks for reply.
Indeed, I don't see double/triple spots from every reporter, just very few of them.
Also I'll try to use a battery pack instead of PSU? and see if spectrum change.

Cheers,
Victor, PA8MM


Re: QCX WSPR transmit - not clean output

 

Victor,

Assuming your main supply is 50Hz, you could try extra PSU smoothing, or maybe look for ground loops.
You might make some improvement.

73 Alan G4ZFQ


Re: QCX WSPR transmit - not clean output

 

In order to troubleshoot this I started to receive my own WSPR transmission using IC7300 and the latest WSJT-X software and indeed spectrum looks not so nice. Please see attached screenshots from the radio and WSJT-X software.
QCX power output is about 2 watts, and the pattern is? the same for 40 and 20 meter versions of the kit.
Victor,

Your own figures do not seem TOO bad, The second strongest figure is 27dB below the maximum.
I do not know what is normal, local monitoring may give misleading results if you have any overloading.
Unless all other stations consistently show bad results you should ignore them, their system could be faulty.

73 Alan G4ZFQ


Re: QCX WSPR transmit - not clean output

 

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Hello Bill here N3GTY. I don't think anything is wrong with your transmitter or receiver. What I can see from your attached photos is that they are too close to each other I experienced the same issue with my station with WSPR. A strong close or over driven station will cause more than on trace and? decode of signal for you... bye for now Bill


On 1/21/2018 06:13, Victor Nagoryanskii wrote:
Hello,

I've noticed that sometimes I receive two or even three WSPR spots from the same station in the same time slot (see wspr_reports.png).

In order to troubleshoot this I started to receive my own WSPR transmission using IC7300 and the latest WSJT-X software and indeed spectrum looks not so nice. Please see attached screenshots from the radio and WSJT-X software.

QCX power output is about 2 watts, and the pattern is? the same for 40 and 20 meter versions of the kit.

My question is this a known behavior? Does somebody else noticed this?

Cheers,
Victor, PA8MM

-- 
Bill Wagaman (N3GTY)
155 Woodbridge Drive
Spring Lake, NC 28390


QCX finished - problems with receiver alignement

 

Hi,

I have finished assembly of my 40m version of the QCX.

The transmitter works fine, has a clean and stable output as checked with another receiver. I get 2.8W HF out at 12.0 VDC / 0.46 A in or 4.0W out at 14.0 V / 0.52 A in. I do not hear any sidetone in the receiver during keying the TX.

The first step of receiver alignment, adjusting the band-pass trimmer was OK. I got a peak after removing 5 turns of? T1. When I proceeded to the adjustment of the I-Q balance trouble started. With the volume control full left (fully counterclockwise) I have no significant signal level on the amplitude bar (as it should). When I adjust the volume control clockwise the amplitude bar shows some signal, but it jumps up and down. The division ratio jumps from 3 to 7 without me touching anything. With the amplitude bar jumping there is no way I could adjust I-Q balance. It is the same with 90-degrees phase shift adjustment, amplitude bar and division ratio jump up and down like crazy.

I can hear no sidetone in the earphones during these adjustment steps, although there is a warning to take out the earphones because of the loud tone. There is no sidetone during transmit either.

I have the correct values for the multi-turn trimmer resistors R17, R24 and R27. I have resoldered all joints. The voltages at all ICs are roughly as they should per table on page 125. I have checked continuity of all T1 windings.

I have tried both, no connection at the antenna port or connection to a 50 Ohm dummy during adjustment. This makes no difference.

Any ideas what I could check next?

73 Heinz, OE5EEP


QCX WSPR transmit - not clean output

Victor Nagoryanskii
 

Hello,

I've noticed that sometimes I receive two or even three WSPR spots from the same station in the same time slot (see wspr_reports.png).

In order to troubleshoot this I started to receive my own WSPR transmission using IC7300 and the latest WSJT-X software and indeed spectrum looks not so nice. Please see attached screenshots from the radio and WSJT-X software.

QCX power output is about 2 watts, and the pattern is? the same for 40 and 20 meter versions of the kit.

My question is this a known behavior? Does somebody else noticed this?

Cheers,
Victor, PA8MM


Re: Interesting bit of information for the si5351a synthesizer chip

 

Graham (and Hans),

Based on Hans' emails regarding locking an Si5351A synth module to a 10 MHz external reference (Rubidium, in my case), I can confirm that I was successful, based on the Nov. 2017 ARRL Frequency Measuring Test results. I invested in a VFO/SigGen kit with relay-switched LPF kit and got it operational about 1 minute before the FMT started.? I set the reference frequency to 10 MHz (vs. 27 MHz) and was ready to go with a frequency difference measuring technique and Spectrum Lab software.? My first measurement was a bit over 1 Hz error; the remaining 3 measurements were less than 1 Hz error.? With a bit of practice, I hope to get all measurements < 0.1 Hz error.

My Rb standard power output is a little low- about 3-4 dBm into 50 Ohms.? The 10 MHz reference signal goes directly into the Si5351A pin 2 (crystal pad) and ground on the synth. module board.? I plan on adding a 10 MHz CMOS crystal oscillator to the VFO/SigGen kit soon with an external BNC-BNC jumper cable so the siggen doesn't require the Rb standard for basic operation.? The Rb oscillator is an LPRO-101.? The LPRO AC-coupled output RF is split using a Minicircuits LRPS-2-1 in-phase power splitter.? The LPRS DC resistance of an output measures close to zero Ohms.? Then the output is wired directly to the BNC output connector.? So not external DC biases are applied; similar to what a crystal would do.


Re: QCX- No xmit or receive.

 

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Hi Glen,

INTERESTING...

we just had another post about a unit that didn't seem to offer the correct alignment menu option, was that the one to prompt you to try a factory reset,
I only suggested that as it was the easiest way to restart the alignment from a known point for that one.

I guess it only takes a glitch or power spike at the wrong time to corrupt it's brain, but still look like it's doing the right thing.
(If you look inside an oldtime TRX and see there are no valve heaters then it's all logical from then on.....)

Hopefully it will all align as it should, not done one myself but Hans manual says the adjustments interact so expect to have to repeat several times,
and C1 may have more than one peak.
But there should be one that has the largest peak, so you need to keep an eye on the scaling number on the display as well as the bar graph.....

Good luck with the new radio,
You are putting me to shame actually building the kit, I'm just over half your age and I just read about building them....
Once they are set up everyone says you can't beat them.

Best regards Alan

On 20/01/2018 23:46, Glen Sr wrote:

Alan. Thank you for your mail. I have hesitated answering until I had some more info. I reset the unit to the factory setting. Now I am able to receive very powerful stations and I believe a station heard me. But the audio is so overwhelming and must turn audio pot almost all the way up. The next thing to do is check RF output. Then maybe restart the alignment again. If you have anymore thoughts please send them. They sure make a guy think! Big thanks again for trying to help. I have taken 4 turns from T1 and may take another off. I am 90 so this is exciting when something helps. Thanks Hans.? Glen n8we
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From: Alan de G1FXB via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [QRPLabs] QCX- No xmit or receive.
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Hi Glen,


On 18/01/2018 17:19, Glen Sr wrote:
Could Q5 be open?

Any thing is possible.
Taking a clue from your subject field. It will not prevent Transmit function though.
There are no Transmit / Receive relays or PIN Diode switching in this design.
Look at the schematic and Han's write up of how that stage works in section 5.8
the transmit PA devices are permanently connected to the LPF and Antenna jack.
Q5 provides couples the RX circuitry to the antenna jack during RX & providing isolation to prevent damage to the switcher / detector IC during TX cycle.

If Q5 was open I would expect the unit should still transmit.


Can I jumper Q5 to see if I can hear a signal without further damage? Glen N8WE

If you suspect Q5 pull it from the board.
it's a N-channel FET, there is a bit of an knack to measuring FET's because they are a high input impedance device.
Iif you read the junctions in any old order you can land on the combination that turns the gate on, then you move the test leads to source & drain. And you then convince yourself it's faulty when it's not....

Ideally if you have one of those cheep Chinese component testers use that, if you use a meter then perhaps Google is your best friend for tips before you try yours.



If Q5 is not faulty, logical fault finding is the best approach.

Re-read the assembly manual, even the sections printed in red.

QCX home page, has a common issues section.

QCX Mods page, has MOD's and component changes you need to be aware of, depending on your kit S No#

Has the unit ever worked correctly then failed, or is it a new build that's never worked?

Unit aligned correctly, through each section, strange behaviour or anything that you were not sure about?
(motorboating, moving bar graphs when you were not adjusting anything, warm smells / magic smoke?)

Compared your voltages to typical ones given in the troubleshooting section of the manual?



let us know what you find.

If there is nothing conclusive, a good photo image of the component side & solder side of the PCB with the LCD removed and we can look at anything with a fresh pair of eye's.
What test equipment have you access to?


Regards Alan




Re: QCX- No xmit or receive.

 

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Alan. Thank you for your mail. I have hesitated answering until I had some more info. I reset the unit to the factory setting. Now I am able to receive very powerful stations and I believe a station heard me. But the audio is so overwhelming and must turn audio pot almost all the way up. The next thing to do is check RF output. Then maybe restart the alignment again. If you have anymore thoughts please send them. They sure make a guy think! Big thanks again for trying to help. I have taken 4 turns from T1 and may take another off. I am 90 so this is exciting when something helps. Thanks Hans.? Glen n8we
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From: Alan de G1FXB via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [QRPLabs] QCX- No xmit or receive.
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Hi Glen,


On 18/01/2018 17:19, Glen Sr wrote:
Could Q5 be open?

Any thing is possible.
Taking a clue from your subject field. It will not prevent Transmit function though.
There are no Transmit / Receive relays or PIN Diode switching in this design.
Look at the schematic and Han's write up of how that stage works in section 5.8
the transmit PA devices are permanently connected to the LPF and Antenna jack.
Q5 provides couples the RX circuitry to the antenna jack during RX & providing isolation to prevent damage to the switcher / detector IC during TX cycle.

If Q5 was open I would expect the unit should still transmit.


Can I jumper Q5 to see if I can hear a signal without further damage? Glen N8WE

If you suspect Q5 pull it from the board.
it's a N-channel FET, there is a bit of an knack to measuring FET's because they are a high input impedance device.
Iif you read the junctions in any old order you can land on the combination that turns the gate on, then you move the test leads to source & drain. And you then convince yourself it's faulty when it's not....

Ideally if you have one of those cheep Chinese component testers use that, if you use a meter then perhaps Google is your best friend for tips before you try yours.



If Q5 is not faulty, logical fault finding is the best approach.

Re-read the assembly manual, even the sections printed in red.

QCX home page, has a common issues section.

QCX Mods page, has MOD's and component changes you need to be aware of, depending on your kit S No#

Has the unit ever worked correctly then failed, or is it a new build that's never worked?

Unit aligned correctly, through each section, strange behaviour or anything that you were not sure about?
(motorboating, moving bar graphs when you were not adjusting anything, warm smells / magic smoke?)

Compared your voltages to typical ones given in the troubleshooting section of the manual?



let us know what you find.

If there is nothing conclusive, a good photo image of the component side & solder side of the PCB with the LCD removed and we can look at anything with a fresh pair of eye's.
What test equipment have you access to?


Regards Alan



Re: another new QCX - no alignment freq shown? #qcx

 

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Dave,

Sorry it look like I was telling you something other than according to the manual.


Do it the way Han's says in the Manual !!

BPF C1, then the audio stage alignment.


You WILL get it right, and not need any audio signals

My ramblings were biased with the issues others are having with regards alignment, in mind.

And what would be useful to have / know.....



Alan

On 20/01/2018 22:58, Alan de G1FXB via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi Dave,
Glad the desperate 'factory reset' worked!

Alignment is a bit chicken & egg, As they all interact.
Hans didn't give any starting positions as to where the multi-turn presets should start from. Straight from the component supplier you would guess it's random.
I think I would start from mid point, it's not PA bias or anything that will cause excess current draw if incorrect?

It's a shame there is a limitation in the lowest freq the synth can output and there is no convenient way to divide by five or six in the QCX....
otherwise IF IT could generate two (90¡ã ?) phase shifted 700Hz audio channels on CLK0 & CLK1 and with a bit of linking we could
pre-align the audio I/Q filter strip and prove everything is OK in 95% of the circuit before tackling the black magic of the RX RF stage & BPF / C1 peaking....

?
Don't suppose you have an audio generator capable of 700Hz
Or you are the type to breadboard stuff up temporary?

regards Alan



On 20/01/2018 22:22, dave dabay wrote:
factory reset pins a 14.020 now, but I am not sure it is hearing much...as the others have said,

I have been able to tweak the pots and that seems to work under the "adjust IQ balance on page 65

one step at a time.?? Next step is to verify that the received "hears"

thanks



Re: another new QCX - no alignment freq shown? #qcx

 

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Hi Dave,
Glad the desperate 'factory reset' worked!

Alignment is a bit chicken & egg, As they all interact.
Hans didn't give any starting positions as to where the multi-turn presets should start from. Straight from the component supplier you would guess it's random.
I think I would start from mid point, it's not PA bias or anything that will cause excess current draw if incorrect?

It's a shame there is a limitation in the lowest freq the synth can output and there is no convenient way to divide by five or six in the QCX....
otherwise IF IT could generate two (90¡ã ?) phase shifted 700Hz audio channels on CLK0 & CLK1 and with a bit of linking we could
pre-align the audio I/Q filter strip and prove everything is OK in 95% of the circuit before tackling the black magic of the RX RF stage & BPF / C1 peaking....

?
Don't suppose you have an audio generator capable of 700Hz
Or you are the type to breadboard stuff up temporary?

regards Alan



On 20/01/2018 22:22, dave dabay wrote:

factory reset pins a 14.020 now, but I am not sure it is hearing much...as the others have said,

I have been able to tweak the pots and that seems to work under the "adjust IQ balance on page 65

one step at a time.?? Next step is to verify that the received "hears"

thanks


Re: another new QCX - no alignment freq shown? #qcx

 

factory reset pins a 14.020 now, but I am not sure it is hearing much...as the others have said,

I have been able to tweak the pots and that seems to work under the "adjust IQ balance on page 65

one step at a time.?? Next step is to verify that the received "hears"

thanks


Re: Magnet Wire " of colour "

 

Hi Guys,?

To identify wires you can mark them with a marker pen such as a Sharpie. The ink is waterproof and will evaporate once solder is applied without detriment to the joint.?

Hope this helps,?

Steve G0XAR


Re: QCX- 2 rows of blocks

 

Ron, in addition to the good direction from Steve and Alan, it is good to check the continuity of the LCD circuits by measuring from the actual pin of the uP to the foil trace on the LCD circuit board. This will check for any hidden discontinuity which has been a problem for some builders. Checking just from solder blob to solder blob may not reveal the bad connection.
Note that the problem you see is specifically addressed in the construction guide.
--
Wes

AE6ZM

Hereford, AZ

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