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Re: 'Zoom' tone during CW TX

 

Gust, you say that your Buzz tone is there whenever the QMX is in TX mode. So it could well be an interference with your test setup outside the QMX.
Test:
- Use another headset or speaker
- Use another power source
- Install RFI beats on the external wires, if you have, one at the time.
GL 73


Re: QMX buzz during TX

 

Try with a dummy load


#QMX Feature Request(s) #qmx

 

Hello Hans et. al.
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I frequently use SK mode and would like to have access to the CW Message Memories simultaneously. The current FW does not allow this. Is it possible to have SK mode and CW Message Memories available at the same time?
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73
Myron WV0H


Re: #qmx #ssb CESSB update (Controlled Envelope SSB) #qmx #ssb

 

Great work!?
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SSB is really going to happen!
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Chris / W2BPL


Re: #qmx #ssb CESSB update (Controlled Envelope SSB) #qmx #ssb

 

I don’t work much SSB but I do check into a couple of phone nets regularly. ?I have had some fun with my K4 fooling people into thinking I had turned on my amp when all I did was turn the K4 processor all the way up. ?CESSB really makes a difference and there is no change in the quality of the audio. ?Glad to hear you are getting it ready for the QMX Hans! ?QRP SSB needs Al the help it can get.
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What is even more fun is to add my KPA500 at 500 watts to the fully engaged processor lol. ?CESSB works.


Re: #qmx #ssb CESSB update (Controlled Envelope SSB) #qmx #ssb

 

Sounds really good! I'm older now and my ears aren't as good as they used to be, but I was a critical sound engineer back in the day, so I'm still fairly confident in what I hear. Can't wait to use it!?
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73, Dan - W2DLC


Re: #qmx #ssb CESSB update (Controlled Envelope SSB) #qmx #ssb

 

On Sat, Oct 5, 2024 at 12:45 PM, Hans Summers wrote:
It's possible also the original audio sample wasn't perfect
That's what I thought right after I posted that post. I never heard the original sample.?
As I bought my qmx solely for cw and I don't plan using it ssb, you've got my full attention now :) I'm here with all others, and I'll make sure to give that cessb a try - at least as a tribute to your dedication, innovative approach and hard work :)
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Re: #qmx #ssb CESSB update (Controlled Envelope SSB) #qmx #ssb

 

One more thought.? You might want to consider writing a QEX magazine article on the technology.? ?I think it would be quite interesting to technical folks who read QEX, not to mention selling a bunch more QMX and QMX+ rigs.?
-Steve K1RF


------ Original Message ------
From "Steve Dick" <sbdick@...>
Date 10/4/2024 9:04:14 AM
Subject Re: [QRPLabs] #qmx #ssb CESSB update (Controlled Envelope SSB)

Bravo Hans. You should seriously think about getting a patent on it. (in your spare time of course.)
-Steve K1RF


------ Original Message ------
From "Hans Summers" <hans.summers@...>
Date 10/4/2024 8:16:29 AM
Subject [QRPLabs] #qmx #ssb CESSB update (Controlled Envelope SSB)

Hi all

I'm so happy. That's why I am writing this. CESSB works! I have recorded a 1-minute YouTube demo (Churchill's speech still) showing a QMX receiving QMX+ CESSB transmissions, more on this below.?

CESSB (Controlled Envelope Single Sideband) reminder: the place to read about it is the original ARRL QEX article published in November 2014 by David L. Hershberger, W9GR:
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However that article is focused on generating SSB by a conventional SSB exciter. I struggled with thinking about how to apply that to the rather special case in QMX where we are generating SSB by EER (Envelope Elimination and Restoration) which is a rather different process, though also involving the inevitable Hilbert Transform.?

In the end I decided I did not NEED to do it exactly the same way it's done in the article: in QMX SSB via EER, we have separated the signal into phase and amplitude components. I realized that this fact can be used to ADVANTAGE. I developed a completely different way of generating CESSB to the one in the article. I guess I shall have to write down all the details carefully to document all this.?

I am still using as my audio sample (I'll call it track from now on), Winston Churchill's "Be Ye Men of Valour" speech from 1940 ?

Note that for these experiments I am running the QMX+ powered with 12V but with the gain set such that the RF output is 1.0W PEP. When using full power about a 6dB improvement in dynamic range would be expected.

In my attached photograph "CESSB Off.jpg" I photographed the same first syllable in which he says "I". The audio recording has an amplitude which does not exceed the range?+/- 1; in other words it reaches full scale but it does not exceed it. Yet you can clearly see that at RF the envelope overshoots "full scale", the dotted blue cursor lines on the 'scope screen, which are determined using a steady 1kHz test tone. In this case the overshoot is 32%, or 2.4 dB. You would need to turn down your gain by 2.4 dB in order to avoid clipping and splatter (or, if using an amplifier with ALC, the ALC would do that for you).?

"CESSB On.jpg" I photographed the exact same first syllable but now CESSB is switched ON. Peaks of the RF envelope which do not exceed "full scale" indicated by the dotted blue lines are left alone, they do not trigger the CESSB algorithm. But a peak which exceeds the allowed maximum envelope appears cleanly reduced without altering its shape.?

The best thing about my new method for generating CESSB is that it is inherently clean (does not increase bandwidth) and I do not need to run any subsequent filtering, so there is no need for a computationally expensive linear phase FIR filter. I am constantly reminded that although I chose a powerful processor for QMX, a 32-bit ARM Cortex M4 at 168 MHz, it is certainly NOT anywhere near the kind of powerful CPU that is being used in the very few top-end amateur radio manufacturers where CESSB is being used (Elecraft K4, Flex SDR, Apache Anan). So when doing DSP it is critical to keep remembering that CPU cycles are still very precious. It was therefore all the more satisfying, finding a way to do this that involves only a few simple arithmetic operations per DSP audio sample.?

For testing the SSB reception I used an 80-20m QMX having the current latest production firmware version 1_00_027, in "digi" mode, which has a filter bandwidth? of 150-3200 Hz. This is wider than the SSB filter bandwidth used in the QMX SSB firmware which is 300-2800 Hz. I connected the BNC RF port of my QMX+ (the transmitter) via 80dB of inline 50-ohm BNC attenuators to the BNC RF port of my 80-20m QMX (the receiver). Both the QMX+ (transmitter) and QMX (receiver) are connected to my PC and appear as USB Sound cards there. I played the Churchill quote on VLC Media Player to the QMX+ (transmitter); and recorded the QMX (receiver) using Audacity software.?

I have two versions of the audio clip. One of them is the original one, scaled so that its peaks hit (but do not exceed) full scale audio resolution. The other one was amplified by 3dB (voltage) using Audacity, allowing clipping at full scale audio. The clipping therefore introduces harmonic content, and increases the average power level by 3dB. In the attached chart these are labelled #1 and #2, being the original and 3dB amplified versions respectively.?

I used the Audacity Spectrum analysis function (48ksps, 8192 point, Hanning window) exporting to a CSV and loading it into the spreadsheet for graphing. In the QMX Lab screen (attached "lab.png") I can switch on or off CESSB and also measure the peak and average envelope amplitude over a 2.4 million sample duration (200 seconds).?

The attached chart "spectrum.png" shows all four spectrum lines. Audio track #1 is colored blue (CESSB off) and purple (CESSB on); track #2 is colored red (CESSB Off) and orange (CESSB On). You can see that there is about a 3dB difference between audio tracks #1 and #2 which is expected because the gain was increased on track #2. In each track, there is NO discernible difference in spectrum at all, between whether CESSB is switched Off or On.?

Therefore QMX CESSB is, as it should be, limiting the envelope without causing any distortion and without widening the bandwidth. It simply increases the average to peak power without clipping or splatter or distortion.?

In my track #1 the envelope overshoot is 29% corresponding to 2.2dB. In track #2 the envelope overshoot is 65% which is 4.3dB. This is also expected (see the CESSB article) because when audio is amplified and clips, at the clipping point the waveform is somewhat trapezoidal which starts to approach a squarewave. As the article explains, squarewaves behave rather badly in the Hilbert transform: the zeroes of a series of squarewave harmonics line up, but when shifted 90-degrees (the Hilbert transform) then the PEAKS all line up at the same time. Which is the whole yuckology of the SSB situation.?

So the use of CESSB provides an increase in average power, the exact amount depends on the nature of the speech being transmitted; in my two example tracks the benefit was 2.2dB and 4.3dB. Taking the latter number for example, it means that a 5W transmitter has the average power equivalent to a 13W transmitter, yet without adding any splatter or distortion.?

Here is my 1 minute YouTube demo video:
The SSB sounds pretty good, if you compare it to the original Churchill speech you will certainly say it sounds rather similar. Note that the video and audio of the video aren't synchronized; I took the video then I overlayed the sound from the MP3 file I had recorded on my PC. So don't worry that what's shown on the 'scope doesn't quite match the sound.?

CESSB is not exactly the same thing as compression or pre-emphasis though you could say they are all quite closely related. I am aware too that low frequency tones in SSB don't do much for intelligibility but DO waste a lot of power unnecessarily so the advice for well set-up SSB is to reduce the bass tones somewhat. So compression and tone adjustments to what comes out of an actual microphone, are still on the ToDo list.?

73 Hans G0UPL


Re: QMX buzz during TX

 

Understood, thank you Daniel.
73 es dx.
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Gust ON6KE


Re: #qmx #ssb CESSB update (Controlled Envelope SSB) #qmx #ssb

 

The Man, the myth, The legend.
As you described, plus a conclusion.
Just Wow!
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Dean Smith (G7EOB).


Re: QMX buzz during TX

 

Gust, It's not happening with my QMX 20-10.?
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73, Dan - W2DLC


Re: 'Zoom' tone during CW TX

 

Thanks you Sandy.
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Gust ON6KE


Re: 'Zoom' tone during CW TX

 

Hello Willem,
AGC is ON, volume doesn't need cranking up, volume step is 1dB and audio attenuation is 0dB.
With AGC OFF the buzz is still there.
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Even with zero volume, Mute at min. vol YES the buzz is still there.
Regards
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Later this afternoon I'll be having a friend listen for my signal quality both CW and DIGI to see whether the buzz is affecting the TX signal.
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Gust ON6KE


Re: 'Zoom' tone during CW TX

 

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I have that version of QMX, as well as the low and high band versions. None of them have ever had anything like you describe. Sandy KB3EOF

On 10/5/24 03:48, Gust ON6KE via groups.io wrote:

Thank you Udo.
Other replies are very welcome. My QMX is the 60-15m version.
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Gust ON6KE


Re: 'Zoom' tone during CW TX

 

I have the same version as you (60-15k and it doesn't have that buzz. I wonder though: could it be that your AGC settings are such that you have to crank your volume way up so that other sounds you normally wouldn't hear (like the buzz you're hearing) are amplified more? If you search this group, people have shared recommended settings before, and it solved some other unwanted noises mine was making.


Re: #qmx #ssb CESSB update (Controlled Envelope SSB) #qmx #ssb

 

Hi Pavel
The SSB sounds pretty good, if you compare it to the original Churchill speech you will certainly say it sounds rather similar
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There is some annoying noise audible over him talking while there is no noise when he pauses between words..
Other than that, the sample sounds pretty much HiFi. Sounds more like fm than ssb.
Well, let me congratulate that success.?

Thanks. It's possible also the original audio sample wasn't perfect, it's from 1940 after all. Last night I experimented with the audio samples downloaded from ARRL that accompanied the 2014 and 2016 QEX articles on CESSB. One had so much processing on it that the overshoots were 99%.?

Almost 6dB! I attached the 'scope photos and the audio recordings.?

Remember these are real, not a simulation, not a software program simulating what will happen. It's a real QMX+ with the new EER SSB generation firmware and new CESSB algorithm; with the PA driven at 1W PEP, then 80dB of inline BNC attenuators to an 80-20m QMX used as the receiver. All real!?

73 Hans G0UPL


Re: QDX and 50 watt amplifier receive attenuation

 

Hi,
I also think that the rx/tx switch elements are to blame. The rx I.L. should be under 1 dB. The diodes in the tx path should have the reverse polarized voltage and the rx path diodes should conduct.
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73 Bojan S53DZ


QMX buzz during TX

 

Hello everyone,
I did a literal translate from Dutch to English without realising. Please forget my previous post.
With "zoom' I meant 'buzz'
Here the corrected text.
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Hello everyone,
I got my QMX today. Everything so far appears OK.
One (1) question though.
When operating CW and DIGI I hear a buzz tone during the entire length of the transmission. Frequency something around 250-300 Hz.
It's a half and half nuisance and not loud.
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I'd just like to know whether this is the case with other QMX users.
It's not RF in the shack, dummy load or antenna buzz still there. Switched feeder coax to H100, still there.
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On the old QCX mini no buzzing.
73 es dx
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Gust ON6KE


Re: 'Zoom' tone during CW TX

 

I guess the word is buzz instead of tone.
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Gust ON6KE


Re: 'Zoom' tone during CW TX

 

Recording I don't think will work Bruce, it's low volume compared to the CW monitoring tone.
It's a continuous low volume 250-300 Hz tone, all bands, both modes only during the TX sequence.
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I expect to hear nothing but either the CW monitoring tone or the FT8, FT4 whatever TX signal, no underlying noise.
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Gust ON6KE