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Re: Something to look out for: possible cause of PA failure (QDX etc).

 

A bit different, but I used TN0110s for my last QDX build instead of the BS170s as has been discussed in other threads here, and then used a Wakefield LTN20069 heatsink drilled and tapped.? (pics below)

-Nate
N8BTR


Re: #QMX #HighBand #LowPower QMX High-Band Working but with Low Power out #qmx #HighBand #LowPower

 

I re-checked continuity of T501, and looks good. Then checked voltages, and all P & Secondary are zero volts with the QMX powered on in RX. But that's with L502 removed, so I'm guessing that's why (without looking at the schematic).

John, Should I reinstall L502 and see what happens?

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73
de Roy - KI0ER
Littleton, Colorado USA


Re: [QMX] Keying CW via CAT

 

Mike
CWTerm uses RTS/DTR keying, not CAT. I don't have a QCX so I don't know how it handles RTS/DTR. Usually, on older rigs, with CWTerm you have to use a keying circuit external to the rig.
Gary
W9TD


Re: #QMX #HighBand #LowPower QMX High-Band Working but with Low Power out #qmx #HighBand #LowPower

 

Looks good!


On Thu, Apr 4, 2024, 12:09?PM Roy - KI0ER <ki0er@...> wrote:
I'm seeing 2.436 V gate to ground on the 2 BS-170's near board edge, and 2.46 V on the "lower" 2. I am running my 12V QMX at 9 V for these tests.

Total current draw is showing 110 in RX and 130 mA in TX with L502 removed.
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73
de Roy - KI0ER
Littleton, Colorado USA


Re: #QMX #HighBand #LowPower QMX High-Band Working but with Low Power out #qmx #HighBand #LowPower

 

I'm seeing 2.436 V gate to ground on the 2 BS-170's near board edge, and 2.46 V on the "lower" 2. I am running my 12V QMX at 9 V for these tests.

Total current draw is showing 110 in RX and 130 mA in TX with L502 removed.
?
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73
de Roy - KI0ER
Littleton, Colorado USA


Re: #QMX #HighBand #LowPower QMX High-Band Working but with Low Power out #qmx #HighBand #LowPower

 

That's encouraging!?

While L502 is still removed also measure the gates while TX is active. It will probably read OK but one-step-at-a-time caution is still prudent.

JZ


On Thu, Apr 4, 2024, 11:45?AM Roy - KI0ER <ki0er@...> wrote:
Hi John.

With L502 removed, the powered up QMX is now drawing 110 mA power, and I measure 0 V from Gate to ground on each of the BS-170s, and that's with the shorted transistor replaced with a new one.


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73
de Roy - KI0ER
Littleton, Colorado USA


Re: #QMX #HighBand #LowPower QMX High-Band Working but with Low Power out #qmx #HighBand #LowPower

 

Hi John.

With L502 removed, the powered up QMX is now drawing 110 mA power, and I measure 0 V from Gate to ground on each of the BS-170s, and that's with the shorted transistor replaced with a new one.


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73
de Roy - KI0ER
Littleton, Colorado USA


Re: WSPR record DX? QCX+

 

Thanks Chris,

I think I'm exceptionally outgoing at times. Not one to miss an
opportunity like this, to get propagation data from the far north, I
got a hold of their crew and asked about at least having a WSPR beacon
along. The Expedition crew got all the way to the hangar in
Yellowknife without anyone asking them if they'd be carrying amateur
radio of any sort along, duh!!! There is an amateur, hadn't been
active in decades, on board, but not even his amateur friends suggested
it. The QCX+ (not the QDX I just reported as having failed) I finished
building when they showed up. The QDX, and a pre-tuned hamstick, plus
the hardware and pages from the operating manual were put on our
freight flight to Cambridge Bay, NU, where their crew did the final
installation. The antenna was removed to get the vehicles indoors at
an unmanned station, Isechen Station, and not replaced until a few days
ago.

This leg of the expedition should end at Iceland, I'm asking them to
look into having a full HF station onboard before they start the drive
to the south pole.

Maybe I could suggest starting a campaign by radio amateurs to reach
out to the Expedition through their contact info on their webpage
to ask them to have more
amateur radio activity. Such a once in a lifetime IOTA activations has
been missed in the last few weeks :-(

Ron VE8RT

On Thu, 04 Apr 2024 07:11:26 -0700
"Chris / W2BPL" <kwaj.speedo@...> wrote:

Bravo!
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Chris / W2BPL





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Ron VE8RT <ve8rt@...>


Re: Something to look out for: possible cause of PA failure (QDX etc).

 

I have yet to start my builds (I bought one of everything), but I've been reading the posts here for a while and slowly getting prepared.? I have even bought a pack of BS170s in anticipation of possibly needing them - hopefully I don't!? I've also grabbed various inexpensive heat sinks made for rasp pi, etc, considering a possible modification to the bolt on steel washer design.

Tisha and Paul, if you have any links or pics of implementation of M2.5 copper screws/nuts, copper crush gaskets, or other heat dissipation ideas, I'd appreciate it.? A cool radio is a happy radio!

Peace,
Todd K4MSW


Re: Support

 

Hans,

Best wishes on getting well soon. ?Glad you have the support of your XYL. ?It¡¯s amazing you¡¯re able to accomplish all you do, and still have time for self and family.

Take care!
Todd K4MSW


Re: #QMX #HighBand #LowPower QMX High-Band Working but with Low Power out #qmx #HighBand #LowPower

 

Roy,

I strongly advise you try to figure out root cause before you replace the bad transistor.

?At a minimum, disable the power source to the PA by lifting a leg of L502, or removing it completely.?

Now you can measure gate drive voltages while not risking another transistor failure. Make certain IC503 has not failed.

JZ

On Thu, Apr 4, 2024, 11:01?AM Roy - KI0ER <ki0er@...> wrote:
On my "hot" BS-170, the Drain and Gate show a direct internal short.

So the question is, if I just replace that one, am I good, or more likely, I need to find the root cause of why it went bad ... unless it's just that I over tightened the heat sink assembly?

Thank you so much John and Ludwig for jumping in to help this novice EE (I'm a retired software engineer actually)!
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73
de Roy - KI0ER
Littleton, Colorado USA


QDX R3.2 Q7 failure

 

After months of operating as a WSPR beacon my QDX failed.

Q7, the reverse polarity protection, has gone open. The assembly
manual tells me that it has been been replaced by a more robust
component starting at Rev 4. What are my replacement options for a Rev 3.2
board?

Ron VE8RT

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Ron VE8RT <ve8rt@...>


Re: #QMX #HighBand #LowPower QMX High-Band Working but with Low Power out #qmx #HighBand #LowPower

 

On my "hot" BS-170, the Drain and Gate show a direct internal short.

So the question is, if I just replace that one, am I good, or more likely, I need to find the root cause of why it went bad ... unless it's just that I over tightened the heat sink assembly?

Thank you so much John and Ludwig for jumping in to help this novice EE (I'm a retired software engineer actually)!
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73
de Roy - KI0ER
Littleton, Colorado USA


Re: #QMX #HighBand #LowPower QMX High-Band Working but with Low Power out #qmx #HighBand #LowPower

 

On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 08:21 AM, John Z wrote:
Is IC503 warming? during RX as well?
Hi John. No, IC503 remains cold after power up (and RX only).
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73
de Roy - KI0ER
Littleton, Colorado USA


Re: [QMX] Keying CW via CAT

 

Get yourself a MORTTY
https://hamprojects.info/mortty/
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73 Jim K1IR


Re: #QMX #HighBand #LowPower QMX High-Band Working but with Low Power out #qmx #HighBand #LowPower

 

Roy,

Is IC503 warming? during RX as well?

JZ



On Thu, Apr 4, 2024, 10:17?AM John Z via <jdzbrozek=[email protected]> wrote:
Ludwig,

A good step towards figuring this out is to observe or measure the gate signals at each bank of BS170s. If it is not what is expected, we can begin to peel down the possibilities at that point.

JZ

On Thu, Apr 4, 2024, 10:02?AM <DH8WN@...> wrote:
John,

ok, If the current is flowing from 5 V trough the PA transistor, the current on 5 V could be around 200 mA and the heat power 1 W or so. This is much more than 60 mW and will clearly heat up the PA. It would be good to know the Duty cycle for 5 V (Terminal Diagnostics).

If the fault current is flowing via the 5 V some of the outputs of IC503 have to be ON. So IC503 could be faulty in this case. But I guess, not the whole IC503 is faulty because the PA is working partially.

An other possibility would be if the signal "TX" to IC503 is not LOW and so one pair of BS170 is ON the whole time. It depends also on the signal "CLK2" to IC501 and IC502. Are there pulses in RX mode?

Not so easy to predict the faulty part.

73, Ludwig


Re: [QMX] Keying CW via CAT

 

BTW, here is a link:?/g/QRPLabs/topic/80102109

73, Mike KK7ER


Re: #QMX #HighBand #LowPower QMX High-Band Working but with Low Power out #qmx #HighBand #LowPower

 

Ludwig,

A good step towards figuring this out is to observe or measure the gate signals at each bank of BS170s. If it is not what is expected, we can begin to peel down the possibilities at that point.

JZ

On Thu, Apr 4, 2024, 10:02?AM <DH8WN@...> wrote:
John,

ok, If the current is flowing from 5 V trough the PA transistor, the current on 5 V could be around 200 mA and the heat power 1 W or so. This is much more than 60 mW and will clearly heat up the PA. It would be good to know the Duty cycle for 5 V (Terminal Diagnostics).

If the fault current is flowing via the 5 V some of the outputs of IC503 have to be ON. So IC503 could be faulty in this case. But I guess, not the whole IC503 is faulty because the PA is working partially.

An other possibility would be if the signal "TX" to IC503 is not LOW and so one pair of BS170 is ON the whole time. It depends also on the signal "CLK2" to IC501 and IC502. Are there pulses in RX mode?

Not so easy to predict the faulty part.

73, Ludwig


Re: #QMX #HighBand #LowPower QMX High-Band Working but with Low Power out #qmx #HighBand #LowPower

 

With display removed, I powered up my QMX and watched the PA transistors with an infrared camera. One of them lit up in the camera within seconds of power up. It was the top-left PA transistor that began warming up. I'll remove it to see if it's bad, shorted internally or something.

I'll do other tests later this morning.

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73
de Roy - KI0ER
Littleton, Colorado USA


Re: [QMX] Keying CW via CAT

 

Hi Gary,?

Did you ever try CWTerm with a QCX??
If it's not using CAT commands then I don't understand how it is working.?

73, Mike KK7ER?