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Re: Some better news U2

g3zjo
 

On 23/05/2013 12:22, andyfoad@... wrote:
How many BS170 / supply volts are you using ?
Hi Andy

Just the one and 5V, I am not a QRO merchant. :-)

Eddie


Re: Some better news U2

Barry Chambers
 

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On 23/05/2013 11:47, g3zjo wrote:
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QRPLabs

This morning I got round to sorting my arrangement for using my external
LPF's with the U2. I now have the possibility of output on any band
except for the moment 136KHz.
The 200mW of RF out on 474.2KHz (dial freq) WSPR produced instant
reports from 2 stations best DX up to now 91Km. I have run 10mW on the
band in the past and got results from the closest stations, although the
band is not at its best at this time of year it will be interesting to
see what transpires. With these sort of powers I have reached over 1000Km.

73 Eddie G3ZJO

Eddie

I'm receiving you about -22/23 on 475702.

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73

Barry, G8AGN


Re: Some better news U2

"andyfoad@..."
 

--- In QRPLabs@..., g3zjo <g3zjo@...> wrote:

The 200mW of RF out on 474.2KHz (dial freq) WSPR produced instant
reports from 2 stations best DX up to now 91Km.
How many BS170 / supply volts are you using ?

I'm hoping to box mine now in the next few days, now all my hardware
is available and ready to use.

73 de Andy


Some better news U2

g3zjo
 

QRPLabs

This morning I got round to sorting my arrangement for using my external LPF's with the U2. I now have the possibility of output on any band except for the moment 136KHz.
The 200mW of RF out on 474.2KHz (dial freq) WSPR produced instant reports from 2 stations best DX up to now 91Km. I have run 10mW on the band in the past and got results from the closest stations, although the band is not at its best at this time of year it will be interesting to see what transpires. With these sort of powers I have reached over 1000Km.

73 Eddie G3ZJO


Re: Ultimate2 kit status summary

Hans Summers
 


Hi Keith

Can you give me a photo of how it looks with the digit missing off the right? ?Or, write out exactly the display, character by character? Then I can try to get it corrected/moved.

73 Hans G0UPL


On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Keith Maton <nentecular@...> wrote:
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Hi Hans,


I've been doing some testing and changing the SPEED parameter so that my callsign fits nicely in ten minute frames - If I set speed to 10 then my callsign fits with 20 seconds to spare so that's absolutely perfect.

However, in FSKCW10 mode, while idle between frames, the far right digit of the time is missed off because the clock has moved to the right. ?So it shows 16:24:1?

There are a couple of spaces to the left of the time display, could you shift the clock one character to the left so that it will fit when using a SPEED parameter that runs into double figures please?

Thanks,

73 Keith, G6NHU


On 19 May 2013, at 12:46, Hans Summers <hans.summers@...> wrote:

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All

My email box is full of millions of emails and so I thought, to clarify all my and your thinking, one big post should list it all out. Summarise where we are with it all. If I am missing anything, please let me know.?

Enhancement requests: firstly, there are a number of new requests (other than the GPS and 10m issues, of which more later). I'll attempt to put as many as I can in the v2.02 firmware version. These are as follows:
1) Support for the WSPR-15 mode (useful for LF WSPR)
2) Adding 1 digit to the GPS Baud setting, so the kit can be used with 115kbps (also requested for an Ultimate1 v1.09 enhancement)
3) Allowing the / character in messages for FSKCW, QRSS, DFCW, CW modes
4) Removing the 42.5MHz (approx) upper frequency limit
5) Fix a couple of occasional cosmetic bugs appearing in the Time-setting menu item
6) Move the Time setting to the front of the menu items, as it is used more often than any others when using the WSPR mode and everything is already set up (e.g. for correcting the time, when no GPS is being used).

New shop items requests: I have had requests to add the following items to the shop:
1) Selling BS170 transistors separately to the main kit
2) Sell the 4-pin headers and sockets separately to the main kit
3) Make available LF band modules for 475kHz and 135kHz?

10m etc issue: The summary of this issue is that it appears that there may be an arithmetic precision issue in the code for setting the DDS frequency word, which becomes apparent when the amount of shift is small in relation to the output frequency. So I need to change that part of the code which deals with calculating the DDS frequency word. Although, it remains considerably confusing because some people appear to have had some 10m WSPR spots. Perhaps they were lucky to choose frequencies which happened to work.

GPS issue:?There appears to be an issue with some GPS modules which worked in U1 but not U2. There have been some reports of people using GPS with no trouble, with Ultimate2. My current theory is that the short pulse width from some GPS modules is interfering with, or being interfered by, the incoming serial data stream. So I need to look at the differences between how I did the GPS work in U1 and U2.

Other comments:

1) People have remarked on the frequency switching transients when the DDS frequency changes. I think this is a minor thing which if all else was well, should not interfere with kit operation or WSPR decode etc. However, I checked in this area of the code and I did actually find that I think the frequency is being briefly set to zero before the new frequency is set, and that this might be making the short frequency glitch longer than necessary. So in v2.02 I will attempt to tidy that up.?

2) Regarding the blue potentiometer on the DDS module. When the modules arrive from the manufacturer, it appears that the blue potentiometers are not set up - that manifests itself as no output squarewave from the comparator. Before packing the kits, I individually tested every single one of the 200 DDS modules. 29 were discarded as their stability was found to be unsuitable. The rest of them, the potentiometer was adjusted for best output on 30m. So I thought that it should not need further adjustment by kit builders. However, it is possible that the setting on 10m might be more critical, or different, from the optimum setting on 30m - as some constructors have found out and advised.?

3) Someone mentioned that the maximum output frequency of the comparator is only 1MHz. However I don't think that this is correct. The specification of the DDS module from the manufacturer sometimes says that the squarewave output is valid up to 1MHz. But the DDS module output is straight from the comparator output pin of the AD9850 DDS chip and I don't see anything in the AD9850 datasheet about any upper frequency limitation.?

4) Feedback on the question of whether to reverse the BS170 transistors in the new PCB, or reverse the silk screen, or leave as is - was rather (surprisingly) mixed. So I still have to consider that one.?
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5) I had some delay with ordering all the components, because PayPal rather unreasonably decided they should block my account to make sure I'm not a money launderer. That's all resolved now so I can continue with ordering the remaining components for the next set of 200 kits.?

I think that's about it. Let me know if I have missed anything out.

73 Hans G0UPL




Re: U2 Frequency and 1PPs

Hans Summers
 

Ok Andy, Colin!

Ok! I will add an indication that GPS lock has occurred! One more for the wish-list!

73 Hans G0UPL


On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Colin XSD <m0xsd@...> wrote:
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That sounds like a good idea to me, how about some 'square brackets' around the Locator i.e. in my case IO84 becomes [IO84]?

73, Colin M0XSD.


On 22/05/2013 11:32, andyfoad@... wrote:
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Is is a good idea to have a small indication on the LCD when in
normal operatin gmode that indicates that the GPS has locked ?

That would save having to check the DDS Ref Freq menu.

Hans ?

73 de Andy




Re: Wish List

Hans Summers
 


Hi Eddie

That's an interesting request, and I can certainly see the use of it! I added it to the wish-list!

73 Hans G0UPL



On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 2:48 PM, g3zjo <g3zjo@...> wrote:
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When entering Message Data it would be nice to have the right button
(Scroll Mode) scroll through the alphabet A to Z then stop waiting for a
press before scrolling again through the symbols to the stop again, the finally scroll through the numbers to 9.
It would save me a lot of going round the houses.

Eddie G3ZJO



Re: Ultimate2 kit status summary

Keith Maton
 

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Hi Hans,

I've been doing some testing and changing the SPEED parameter so that my callsign fits nicely in ten minute frames - If I set speed to 10 then my callsign fits with 20 seconds to spare so that's absolutely perfect.

However, in FSKCW10 mode, while idle between frames, the far right digit of the time is missed off because the clock has moved to the right. ?So it shows 16:24:1?

There are a couple of spaces to the left of the time display, could you shift the clock one character to the left so that it will fit when using a SPEED parameter that runs into double figures please?

Thanks,

73 Keith, G6NHU


On 19 May 2013, at 12:46, Hans Summers <hans.summers@...> wrote:

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All

My email box is full of millions of emails and so I thought, to clarify all my and your thinking, one big post should list it all out. Summarise where we are with it all. If I am missing anything, please let me know.?

Enhancement requests: firstly, there are a number of new requests (other than the GPS and 10m issues, of which more later). I'll attempt to put as many as I can in the v2.02 firmware version. These are as follows:
1) Support for the WSPR-15 mode (useful for LF WSPR)
2) Adding 1 digit to the GPS Baud setting, so the kit can be used with 115kbps (also requested for an Ultimate1 v1.09 enhancement)
3) Allowing the / character in messages for FSKCW, QRSS, DFCW, CW modes
4) Removing the 42.5MHz (approx) upper frequency limit
5) Fix a couple of occasional cosmetic bugs appearing in the Time-setting menu item
6) Move the Time setting to the front of the menu items, as it is used more often than any others when using the WSPR mode and everything is already set up (e.g. for correcting the time, when no GPS is being used).

New shop items requests: I have had requests to add the following items to the shop:
1) Selling BS170 transistors separately to the main kit
2) Sell the 4-pin headers and sockets separately to the main kit
3) Make available LF band modules for 475kHz and 135kHz?

10m etc issue: The summary of this issue is that it appears that there may be an arithmetic precision issue in the code for setting the DDS frequency word, which becomes apparent when the amount of shift is small in relation to the output frequency. So I need to change that part of the code which deals with calculating the DDS frequency word. Although, it remains considerably confusing because some people appear to have had some 10m WSPR spots. Perhaps they were lucky to choose frequencies which happened to work.

GPS issue:?There appears to be an issue with some GPS modules which worked in U1 but not U2. There have been some reports of people using GPS with no trouble, with Ultimate2. My current theory is that the short pulse width from some GPS modules is interfering with, or being interfered by, the incoming serial data stream. So I need to look at the differences between how I did the GPS work in U1 and U2.

Other comments:

1) People have remarked on the frequency switching transients when the DDS frequency changes. I think this is a minor thing which if all else was well, should not interfere with kit operation or WSPR decode etc. However, I checked in this area of the code and I did actually find that I think the frequency is being briefly set to zero before the new frequency is set, and that this might be making the short frequency glitch longer than necessary. So in v2.02 I will attempt to tidy that up.?

2) Regarding the blue potentiometer on the DDS module. When the modules arrive from the manufacturer, it appears that the blue potentiometers are not set up - that manifests itself as no output squarewave from the comparator. Before packing the kits, I individually tested every single one of the 200 DDS modules. 29 were discarded as their stability was found to be unsuitable. The rest of them, the potentiometer was adjusted for best output on 30m. So I thought that it should not need further adjustment by kit builders. However, it is possible that the setting on 10m might be more critical, or different, from the optimum setting on 30m - as some constructors have found out and advised.?

3) Someone mentioned that the maximum output frequency of the comparator is only 1MHz. However I don't think that this is correct. The specification of the DDS module from the manufacturer sometimes says that the squarewave output is valid up to 1MHz. But the DDS module output is straight from the comparator output pin of the AD9850 DDS chip and I don't see anything in the AD9850 datasheet about any upper frequency limitation.?

4) Feedback on the question of whether to reverse the BS170 transistors in the new PCB, or reverse the silk screen, or leave as is - was rather (surprisingly) mixed. So I still have to consider that one.?
?
5) I had some delay with ordering all the components, because PayPal rather unreasonably decided they should block my account to make sure I'm not a money launderer. That's all resolved now so I can continue with ordering the remaining components for the next set of 200 kits.?

I think that's about it. Let me know if I have missed anything out.

73 Hans G0UPL



Re: U2 Frequency and 1PPs

"peter_helm@..."
 

--- In QRPLabs@..., "peter_helm@..." <peter@...> wrote:

How do I know when the U2 is frequency synchronized to the 1PPS.
Mmmm, tried "all"? settings. freq stays at 125.000.000. Time does not get updated
It seems to sulk with GPS on and do nothing. tried inverting and all pulse width up to 50%. GPS is GARMIN GPS16 LV version at 5 volts in.
Pulses out at 4.5 volts for NMEA and PPS
Yes have had frame at 04 and waited. sorry to be a pain.

73 Peter G8AEN


Re: IW2DZX WSPR

"andyfoad@..."
 

Also I forgot to add something regarding my original spectrogram
tests.

Whilst watching the signal when receiving only the two bit streams,
the same could be heard on the receiver.

It was just like the U2 was doing an FSK diddle test and switching
one to the other.

It could be seen AND heard, thus eliminating any spectrogram resolution
problems.

Kind regards,

Andy


Re: IW2DZX WSPR

"andyfoad@..."
 

Well I know for a fact that I did have my own 28Mhz WSPR decoding
at one point on whatever 10m random freq I chose for the test.

Then I moved to another, and it all went skew whiff.

I have no doubt that there is a problem which manifests itself
depending upon the actual chosen frequency of operation, and it only
takles a matter of a few kilohertz to send it into different set of
circumstances.

As Hans said, and I agree, there's got to be a mathmatical relationship
to this error, which shouild easily be sorted with the software code.

As I was taught many years ago as a rather green student at electronics,
that all faults are simple. It's just finding them that is the hard bit.

Never true'er ! ;-)

73 all de Andy


Wish List

g3zjo
 

When entering Message Data it would be nice to have the right button (Scroll Mode) scroll through the alphabet A to Z then stop waiting for a press before scrolling again through the symbols to the <l (Enter) and stop again, the finally scroll through the numbers to 9.
It would save me a lot of going round the houses.

Eddie G3ZJO


Re: U2 Frequency and 1PPs

Colin XSD
 

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That sounds like a good idea to me, how about some 'square brackets' around the Locator i.e. in my case IO84 becomes [IO84]?

73, Colin M0XSD.

On 22/05/2013 11:32, andyfoad@... wrote:

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Is is a good idea to have a small indication on the LCD when in
normal operatin gmode that indicates that the GPS has locked ?

That would save having to check the DDS Ref Freq menu.

Hans ?

73 de Andy



Re: IW2DZX WSPR

Andy Cutland
 

Experimenting with 15m today, I did have the start up problem (power and swr going full scale) but a couple of power on/off cycles cleared that up and I'm now getting some spots.

73's
Andy
GJ7RWT



From: g3zjo
To: QRPLabs@...
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [QRPLabs] IW2DZX WSPR

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On 21/05/2013 23:02, Andy Cutland wrote:
> My U2 kit was also very happy on 10m wspr. I moved it to 20m now and
> all is well there too.
As the other Andy says, more confusion. Although I remember you having
your signal on 28MHz WSPR on your Grabber and the tone spacing was most
strange, stretched at the bottom. Probably WSPR can handle this but not

73 Eddie G3ZJO




Re: IW2DZX WSPR

g3zjo
 

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On 21/05/2013 22:02, Hans Summers wrote:
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All

Amazingly, Aldo IW2DZX continues to operate 10m WSPR successfully with the Ultimate2 kit, see

Aldo tells me that he is using 3x BS170 transistors in the PA, operated at 5V. Antenna is a half-wave end fed.?

With all the other observations on 10m operation, it seems amazing to me that Aldo is having success. Weird!



Yes Hans

Its a funny arrhythmic problem when it variable.

I have done some more investigations I will contact direct.

73 Eddie G3ZJO


Re: U2 Frequency and 1PPs

"andyfoad@..."
 

Is is a good idea to have a small indication on the LCD when in
normal operatin gmode that indicates that the GPS has locked ?

That would save having to check the DDS Ref Freq menu.

Hans ?

73 de Andy


Re: IW2DZX WSPR

g3zjo
 

On 21/05/2013 23:02, Andy Cutland wrote:
My U2 kit was also very happy on 10m wspr. I moved it to 20m now and all is well there too.
As the other Andy says, more confusion. Although I remember you having your signal on 28MHz WSPR on your Grabber and the tone spacing was most strange, stretched at the bottom. Probably WSPR can handle this but not the skinny mode that mine produces.


73 Eddie G3ZJO


Re: IW2DZX WSPR

"andyfoad@..."
 

Oh no - more confusion ;-)

73 de Andy

--- In QRPLabs@..., Hans Summers <hans.summers@...> wrote:

All

Amazingly, Aldo IW2DZX continues to operate 10m WSPR successfully with the
Ultimate2 kit, see

Aldo tells me that he is using 3x BS170 transistors in the PA, operated at
5V. Antenna is a half-wave end fed.

With all the other observations on 10m operation, it seems amazing to me
that Aldo is having success. Weird!

73 Hans G0UPL


Re: IW2DZX WSPR

Andy Cutland
 

My U2 kit was also very happy on 10m wspr. I moved it to 20m now and all is well there too.

73's
Andy
Gj7rwt

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On Tue, May 21, 2013 2:02 PM PDT Hans Summers wrote:

All

Amazingly, Aldo IW2DZX continues to operate 10m WSPR successfully with the
Ultimate2 kit, see

Aldo tells me that he is using 3x BS170 transistors in the PA, operated at
5V. Antenna is a half-wave end fed.

With all the other observations on 10m operation, it seems amazing to me
that Aldo is having success. Weird!

73 Hans G0UPL


Re: GPS behaviour very inconsistent

Hans Summers
 


It's quite entertaining that ADAfruit call it the "Ultimate GPS module".... ? and here we are playing with what *I* called the "Ultimate" QRSS kit!

73 Hans G0UPL


On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Keith Maton <nentecular@...> wrote:
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On 21 May 2013, at 14:37, Barry Chambers <b.chambers@...> wrote:

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On 20/05/2013 21:43, Keith Maton wrote:
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Since I added battery backup to my GPS module at the weekend things are more consistent.?

When I apply power, the clock shows and it's normally accurate to within a few seconds. ?I put the GPS invert to off and the clock shows correct. ?I put the invert back to on and it stays correct without drifting. I've been running WSPR for over 24 hours on 30m/20m with no problems.

I'm very pleased to have been seen in VK land on 20m WSPR this afternoon.

73 Keith, G6NHU
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On 17 May 2013, at 10:35, Keith Maton <nentecular@...> wrote:

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All,

Following on from my other emails yesterday, last night I restarted everything again only this time the U2 and GPS were switched off for an hour or so while I worked GB70DAM on 40m.

Once I started it up and the GPS locked, the clock once again was showing 00:00:00. I inverted the input and the time showed correctly.

Today, over 12 hours later, it's still correct to the second! Compare that to yesterday when it was rapidly losing time.

73 Keith, G6NHU

Keith

which gps module are you using?

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73

Barry, G8AGN


I've got an adafruit GPS unit ()

73 Keith, G6NHU