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K9EW QRSS on 10.140,033

"k9ewqrp"
 

Hello,

I just put my QRSS kit from Hans Summers on the air a couple of days ago and would appreciate hearing of any "sightings" of my signal.

What are the "various online grabbers" referenced in the QRSS Beacon Kit? Are these people, websites, software...?

tnx es 73,
ed - k9ew
www.k9ew.us


Re: I'm having second thoughts on QRSS....

"hanssummers2000"
 

All,

As Steve says, if you join the Knights QRSS group (link at the bottom of my page ) and announce your beacon operation, you will see that when people see your signal they will either post to you direct, or back to the Knights QRSS group. Alternatively you can watch the online grabbers.

QRSS is not for everyone. It has advantages and disadvantages relative to automatic modes such as WSPR. Yes, QRSS is more manual. But therein lies a lot of the fun! Believe it or not: when things are made EASIER, that does not necessarily equate to MORE FUN!!!

QRSS has been popular for a long time before WSPR became popular. QRSS does have some advantages! You can build a simple QRSS beacon with just a handful of junkbox transistors (as few as 3!) and be on air with it in an hour or two. With NO computer! Yes, you need a computer to receive QRSS, as you do for WSPR. But not to send it.

QRSS needs less power than WSPR too, so suited for battery operation, holiday operation etc.

QRSS is ideally suited to simple homebrew transmitters and receivers. If building your own equipment, experimenting with it and improving it, and learning about all the challenges along the way, is your thing... then QRSS is great. On the other hand, if you want a fully automated WSPR station then you can plug your $$$$-worth of black box transceiver into your $$$$-worth of computer and away you go, fully automated and you can see where your signals are heard very easily.

So like the whole of the rest of amateur radio - it has loads and loads of fascinating aspects, and QRSS is just one more little niche. Radio is a wide church! QRSS isn't for everyone! But believe me, I know several people who have been passionately devoted to QRSS for 10 years, to the exclusion of any other aspect of our hobby! (not me, I hasten to add!).

0.000073 de Hans G0UPL

--- In QRPLabs@..., "w8bh_qrp" <bhall66@...> wrote:

Jim,
I have had a similar thought, that there must be a 'better way'. It doesn't have to be WSPR, but some easy method of reply/confirmation.

In the meantime, if you see my call on 30, pse let me know. I have Hans' kit running now.
73, Bruce.

--- In QRPLabs@..., Jim Stafford <qrp@> wrote:

I bought the kit at FDIM but have not assembled it yet. ?However, I have been running the software and watching 30M 10.140. ?Here is my problem... ?I see some callsigns but what do I do with them? ?Send an email to that person?


Re: Greetings

"Ian"
 

Crystals are available from the Genesis Radio group for this and many other frequencies of interest to the QRSS band of people. Typical cost is less than a dollar plus postage. see at the bottom of the page for more detail, you may even get them for free this week.
Ian VK3XID


Re: I'm having second thoughts on QRSS....

"w8bh_qrp"
 

Jim,
I have had a similar thought, that there must be a 'better way'. It doesn't have to be WSPR, but some easy method of reply/confirmation.

In the meantime, if you see my call on 30, pse let me know. I have Hans' kit running now.
73, Bruce.

--- In QRPLabs@..., Jim Stafford <qrp@...> wrote:

I bought the kit at FDIM but have not assembled it yet. ?However, I have been running the software and watching 30M 10.140. ?Here is my problem... ?I see some callsigns but what do I do with them? ?Send an email to that person?


Re: I'm having second thoughts on QRSS....

ve7sl@...
 

Is there not a "chat room" such as K3UK has running for various groups:
this page has been kind of wonky for several months now. I wonder if he is aware of the problem.


WEB - "The VE7SL Radio Notebook":


Re: I'm having second thoughts on QRSS....

"Stephen"
 

Jim,

The usual procedure is to take a screenshot of the signal and either to post it here or on the knightlights reflector. That way we all get to share what you have received. The owner of the beacon you have received can then take a copy and keep it for their records should they wish to.

Regards,

Steve G0XAR

--- In QRPLabs@..., Jim Stafford <qrp@...> wrote:

I bought the kit at FDIM but have not assembled it yet. ?However, I have been running the software and watching 30M 10.140. ?Here is my problem... ?I see some callsigns but what do I do with them? ?Send an email to that person? ?Is there not some common site where you post who you saw when so all can benefit from what I see? ?
Is there not a "chat room" such as K3UK has running for various groups:? ?Perhaps he would not mind if we posted our spots under one of the other headings for all to see such as the Ragchew page IF we preceded each post with QRSS: so they would stand out. ?I see that Ragchew does not get much activity and K3UK is a good guy and might go along with it.
Don't have a problem with having to do it manually vs fully automatic on WSPR but what chance do I have that I will ever find out if someone copies me once I get on the air? ?I have googled and gone to several sites even the ones that show online what they are copying but it just seems all too complicated when WSPR does it so easily and automatically.

W4QO Jim Stafford www.w4qo.com QRP - When you care enough to send the very least!


I'm having second thoughts on QRSS....

Jim Stafford
 

I bought the kit at FDIM but have not assembled it yet. ?However, I have been running the software and watching 30M 10.140. ?Here is my problem... ?I see some callsigns but what do I do with them? ?Send an email to that person? ?Is there not some common site where you post who you saw when so all can benefit from what I see? ?

Is there not a "chat room" such as K3UK has running for various groups:?http://www.obriensweb.com/sked/index.html ?Perhaps he would not mind if we posted our spots under one of the other headings for all to see such as the Ragchew page IF we preceded each post with QRSS: so they would stand out. ?I see that Ragchew does not get much activity and K3UK is a good guy and might go along with it.

Don't have a problem with having to do it manually vs fully automatic on WSPR but what chance do I have that I will ever find out if someone copies me once I get on the air? ?I have googled and gone to several sites even the ones that show online what they are copying but it just seems all too complicated when WSPR does it so easily and automatically.

W4QO Jim Stafford www.w4qo.com QRP - When you care enough to send the very least!



Poll results for QRPLabs

 

The following QRPLabs poll is now closed. Here are the
final results:


POLL QUESTION: Hans and I are CONSIDERING doing another batch of beacon kits as we
are being asked for more but are sold out though we do have a
number of PCBs spare. To give us an indication of how many to
produce and for what bands you are interested in it please
complete the following poll.

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- I would be interested in a kit for 30 meters, 5 votes, 55.56%
- I would be interested in a kit for 40 meters, 3 votes, 33.33%
- I would be interested in a kit for 80 meters, 1 votes, 11.11%



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New batch of kits

"Stephen"
 

Hi Guys,

Hans and I have sold out of kits and people still want them. So we intend to do another 100, 50 for 30 meters, 25 for 80 meters and 25 for 40 meters. I hope to have them ready for the end of June and will take a batch to Friedrischaven hamfest where I will be helping Jan G0BBL on the SDR-Kits stall. As soon as the kits are available we will post an announcement here and on the knightlights reflector. We hope to keep the price to $15 or the sterling/euro equivalents plus postage and packing. I hope we can take payments via Paypal.

Regards,

Steve G0XAR


30 meter QRSS Beacon completed....sort of.

"HoboPelican"
 

Just finished the beacon I bought from Hans at FDIM. Got code on pin two, but no discernible code from the output. It appears that pin 3 is at a constant 5 volts. As soon as I get time, I'll get together with my guru and try to find the problem. I'll post results in case anyone else has same problem.


Outside of it not working for me, the kit was pretty straight-forward. I drilled out the rheostat holes before I saw the note from Hans, so we'll see how that worked.

Looking forward to getting it on the air.

Tery Johns
KD8GNC


Re: BEACON FREQUENCIES

"Charlie , W5COV"
 

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Hi Steve ,
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Thank you for the information . I saw where Hans had mentioned that he might offer a kit for 40 and 80 , so I was curious .
?
I have been operating a QRSS60 LowFER beacon for close to 10 years now , so I am glad to see so many more people becoming involved .
?
I joined the Knightlites group , to help me keep up with what is going on with the QRSS stations on HF .
?
Regards ,
?
Charlie , W5COV


Re: BEACON FREQUENCIES

"Stephen"
 

Charlie,

The best places to look for QRSS activity are:

3.500,000 - 3.500,100
7.000,000 - 7.000,100
10.140,000 - 10.140,100

Most of the activity is on 30 meters and you can generally rely on a few "grabbers" to be listening for signals on that band. Monitoring the Knightlights group is the best way to keep track of activity. If you fancy putting a beacon on 80 or 40 meters just post your intentions on Knightlights and some of the friendly people there will retune their grabbers to see if they can receive your signals.

Work goes on to define band plans see :-

There is also activity on other bands e.g. Lowfers, 6 M, 4 M and 2 M but it tends to be infrequent. A bunch of Italian hams use 10 meters for experimental work.

That's as much as I know.

Regards,

Steve G0XAR


Re: QRSS beacon up and running

"WE0H"
 

Hi Mike. I will have to remember your beacon the next time I am driving by your town.

Take care,
Mike
WE0H



w9qs wrote:


Hello to the group. I have the 30 meter beacon up and running into a dummy load. It seems to work. I need to set the shift and will look at it with the scope later tonight. I'm go hang a dipole in a tree tomorrow and try to get it on the air. I will post when I'm ready to go with the freq. Nice little kit.

Mike, W9QS


BEACON FREQUENCIES

"Charlie , W5COV"
 

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Can anyone please tell me if there is a "standard" frequency for?each of the different bands , for operating QRSS , and a list of what those frequencies are ?
?
Thank you ,
?
73 , Charlie , W5COV


New poll for QRPLabs

 

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
QRPLabs group:

Hans and I are CONSIDERING doing another batch of beacon kits as we
are being asked for more but are sold out though we do have a
number of PCBs spare. To give us an indication of how many to
produce and for what bands you are interested in it please
complete the following poll.

o I would be interested in a kit for 30 meters
o I would be interested in a kit for 40 meters
o I would be interested in a kit for 80 meters


To vote, please visit the following web page:


Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

Thanks!


QRSS beacon up and running

"w9qs"
 

Hello to the group. I have the 30 meter beacon up and running into a dummy load. It seems to work. I need to set the shift and will look at it with the scope later tonight. I'm go hang a dipole in a tree tomorrow and try to get it on the air. I will post when I'm ready to go with the freq. Nice little kit.

Mike, W9QS


First

"SEEBOHM"
 

Hello! First timer. I am getting excited about QRP and QRSS and need to build the G0UPL beacon.
Eric Seebohm
KG8FE

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Re: Greetings

"hanssummers2000"
 

Hi Jay

Congrats on your beacon and the reception reports.

By the way, does anyone have a source for 10.140Mhz
10.140MHz crystals are available here:

0.000073 de Hans G0UPL


Re: Hans' 30M beacon kit - some construction notes

Bruce Hall
 

Cool!?
?
Thanks Jay, this is first time I've seen it. And it looks right-side-up, too.? For some reason I thought it was coming out inverted.
?
Bruce.

On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Jay Sissom <jsissom@...> wrote:

?

Bruce, your signal is making it to Florida:



Here is another place you can look to find your own signal:



Remember when you look here that some people might be monitoring other bands.

I turned my kit off last night because of thunderstorms in the area.? I'll check the weather and will turn it on soon.? I like W4HBK's web page because he has a 4 hour mode.? In that mode, you can't read the CW, but you can easily see how the unit drifts.

73
Jay
W9IUF



On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:58 PM, w8bh_qrp <bhall66@...> wrote:
?

Hi everyone, I built Hans' 30M beacon kit and it is now on the air, about 100mW into a quarter wave vertical at around 14.140.030. What a fun little kit! I haven't seen it on any grabber yet, so please let me know if you hear me :)

For those of you building the kit, I put together some construction notes, and a few ideas for when/if I get around to trying to homebrew my own...

First, there are a few typographical errors in the text. Probably no big deal for most of you:

- On page 2, The yellow toroids are 'T37-6'.
- On page 3, building the xtal osc/buffer, there are many many typos: Missing C1, C3 listed twice, missing C9 & C10, missing R7. Also C5 & C6 (part of the LPF) should not be included in this step. If you just stuff all the parts for the top half of the board, you will have built the appropriate section.

Be careful, after installing the microcontroller, when instructed to listen to your headphones. My tones were pretty loud.

I like to cut my wire to length when winding the toroids. For 1" lead lengths, you can estimate the wire needed by the following formula: wire-length(in) = (#turns/2)+2. For instance, 20 turns on a T37 toroid would require (20/2)+2 = 12 inches of wire. If you wind all of the toroids in one step, be careful that you label which one is which. The 19 and 20 turn toroids look pretty much the same...

When building the driver/PA, the holes for the pot were spaced too closely together. Hans mentioned this at FDIM. You can cut the pins, solder some wire leads into the holes, then solder the pot to the leads.

The other issue for me was measuring power output. I don't have any sophisticated equipment in my shack, but I do have a 'scope. Doing the math, 100 mW into 50 ohms should generate a 6.3V peak to peak signal. By the way, Power (mW) = 2.5 * Vpp^2. I adjusted the pot until I got this voltage. Adjusting much higher made the 7000 get hot. For those like me who don't use a scope much, a 10x probe means that you should be looking for 0.63V, not 6.3V.

While stuffing parts, I wondered if the power & RF holes could be spaced on 0.1" centers, so that header pins could be used. This would allow you to easily change the power source and antenna. I've also seen these arranged as 3 pins (GND,+5,GND) or (GND,RF,GND) so that, no matter which you attach your jumper, it will be correctly oriented. The other place 0.1" pins would be nice is for the speed setting jumpers. Then you could use those little removable jumper shunts to quickly change speeds.

Some other ideas I thought about.
- An onboard voltage regulator (or zener), to protect the microcontroller, allow 12V input, and possibly improve osc. stability.
- NPO caps in the oscillator.
- Are the unconnected inputs to the microcontroller OK? Do they reliabily float low?

When listening on a receiver, what settings do you recommend? I just set the VFO at 10.140 MHz and listened in CW mode with a pitch of around 600 Hz, but wondering what others are using. And at what filter width? 1 KHz width should be enough, but is narrower or wider better?

My beacon seems to be shifting down 5Hz, rather than up 5Hz, when sending data. I haven't figured out the reason for this yet. I thought perhaps I had set my rx for 'Rev-CW' mode by accident, but this isn't the case. Any ideas?

Bruce - W8BH




Re: Hans' 30M beacon kit - some construction notes

Jay Sissom
 

Bruce, your signal is making it to Florida:



Here is another place you can look to find your own signal:



Remember when you look here that some people might be monitoring other bands.

I turned my kit off last night because of thunderstorms in the area.? I'll check the weather and will turn it on soon.? I like W4HBK's web page because he has a 4 hour mode.? In that mode, you can't read the CW, but you can easily see how the unit drifts.

73
Jay
W9IUF


On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:58 PM, w8bh_qrp <bhall66@...> wrote:
?

Hi everyone, I built Hans' 30M beacon kit and it is now on the air, about 100mW into a quarter wave vertical at around 14.140.030. What a fun little kit! I haven't seen it on any grabber yet, so please let me know if you hear me :)

For those of you building the kit, I put together some construction notes, and a few ideas for when/if I get around to trying to homebrew my own...

First, there are a few typographical errors in the text. Probably no big deal for most of you:

- On page 2, The yellow toroids are 'T37-6'.
- On page 3, building the xtal osc/buffer, there are many many typos: Missing C1, C3 listed twice, missing C9 & C10, missing R7. Also C5 & C6 (part of the LPF) should not be included in this step. If you just stuff all the parts for the top half of the board, you will have built the appropriate section.

Be careful, after installing the microcontroller, when instructed to listen to your headphones. My tones were pretty loud.

I like to cut my wire to length when winding the toroids. For 1" lead lengths, you can estimate the wire needed by the following formula: wire-length(in) = (#turns/2)+2. For instance, 20 turns on a T37 toroid would require (20/2)+2 = 12 inches of wire. If you wind all of the toroids in one step, be careful that you label which one is which. The 19 and 20 turn toroids look pretty much the same...

When building the driver/PA, the holes for the pot were spaced too closely together. Hans mentioned this at FDIM. You can cut the pins, solder some wire leads into the holes, then solder the pot to the leads.

The other issue for me was measuring power output. I don't have any sophisticated equipment in my shack, but I do have a 'scope. Doing the math, 100 mW into 50 ohms should generate a 6.3V peak to peak signal. By the way, Power (mW) = 2.5 * Vpp^2. I adjusted the pot until I got this voltage. Adjusting much higher made the 7000 get hot. For those like me who don't use a scope much, a 10x probe means that you should be looking for 0.63V, not 6.3V.

While stuffing parts, I wondered if the power & RF holes could be spaced on 0.1" centers, so that header pins could be used. This would allow you to easily change the power source and antenna. I've also seen these arranged as 3 pins (GND,+5,GND) or (GND,RF,GND) so that, no matter which you attach your jumper, it will be correctly oriented. The other place 0.1" pins would be nice is for the speed setting jumpers. Then you could use those little removable jumper shunts to quickly change speeds.

Some other ideas I thought about.
- An onboard voltage regulator (or zener), to protect the microcontroller, allow 12V input, and possibly improve osc. stability.
- NPO caps in the oscillator.
- Are the unconnected inputs to the microcontroller OK? Do they reliabily float low?

When listening on a receiver, what settings do you recommend? I just set the VFO at 10.140 MHz and listened in CW mode with a pitch of around 600 Hz, but wondering what others are using. And at what filter width? 1 KHz width should be enough, but is narrower or wider better?

My beacon seems to be shifting down 5Hz, rather than up 5Hz, when sending data. I haven't figured out the reason for this yet. I thought perhaps I had set my rx for 'Rev-CW' mode by accident, but this isn't the case. Any ideas?

Bruce - W8BH