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Re: Higher SWR Dummy Loads ??
On Thu, Feb 27, 2025 at 10:18 AM, Joe WB9SBD wrote:
Made simple, the two wires are 12 ga copper, about 6 inches long.? Open at the far end.I was a contractor to Fort Monmouth, home to the Army's E-Labs until the fort closed.?? They had a megawatt-level dummy load for testing power supplies.? It was essentially a swimming pool filled with copper sulfate solution, with a pair of huge graphite electrodes.
There was a crane which moved the electrodes in and out of the water to vary the load resistance.? Just a bigger version of WB9SBD's.
73, Don N2VGU |
Re: Does L502 cause excessive voltages on the QMX finals?
Evan,
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You are correct, I missed the 100pF cap.
Thanks.
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I had noticed that computed values for L508 and L512 were different than the ones Hans had said he simulated with.
I figured since I was simulating may as well go with those, and that final windings got adjusted when he was looking at hardware.
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I have made both adjustments to the simulation in the attached file QMX_sim03.asc
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Will try your 3:2 12v transformer, but haven't yet.
In simulation it may not make too much difference, I'd expect that all the voltages after the transformer just go down by that ratio.
From forum posts, it seems people have fewer failures of the BS170's with a 9vdc build, so I figured I'd start with that.
However, perhaps that's only because most people have built for 12vdc.
It does seem that with the higher currents of a 9vdc build we would have more trouble with overheating in digital modes.
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Here's the voltage readings from LT-Spice for my original QMX_sim01.asc simulation before and after your changes.
Curious that adding changing the L508 and L512 values brings the output down, but adding the 100pF cap brings it most of the way back up
Output: ?
? ? ? ? ?18.6v as in sim02
? ? ? ? ?15.6v when adjusting L508 and L512 to AL*(t**2) values of 1.875uH and 1.452uH ? ? ? ? ?18.4v when 100pF added ? ? ? ? ?18.4v when both changes made ?
I then looked at that final version with both of your changes, and compared it with the same but without L502,
and also my VMCD and CMCD versions as in the attached file QMX_sim03.asc.
Since Vds-peak values can blow the BS170's, I also looked at peak voltage on one of the drains.
? stock (with both changes) ?vs L1-removed vs VMCD vs CMCD:
? ? Output? ? ?18.4 ?vs ?13.8 ? vs 14.4 ?vs ?18.5 ? ? Vds-max? 33.8 ?vs ?18.5 ? vs 18.5 ?vs ?27.5 ?
? Output with L1 removed is 13.8v as shown, but goes higher to 14.1v if L508=1.83uH,L512=1.55uH)
? For VMCD, FET voltages are square and current is sinewave, for CMCD current is square and voltage is sinewave ?
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Note how much lower Vds-max is for L1-removed and VMCD.?
L1-removed is effectively VMCD, but using the stock LPF which I am still unsure of.
L1-removed and VMCD both also have low output power, which is a function of the square of the output voltages recorded above.
If we were to increase the transformer ratio of the L1-removed version such that Vds-max was equal to that of the stock QMX,
it seems the output voltage should increase to a value of 13.8*(33.8/18.4) = 25.35, which is way beyond the stock output voltage of 18.4
That's the reason I was sucked into this, removing L502 may help with the over-voltage issue at the BS170's
though this may bring on issues due to higher peak currents.
Like all things around RF amps, it's considerably more complicated than one might think at first glance.
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Anyways, I was up half the night here with a hacking cough, which is why I got that simulation done.
Probably time to get some sleep.
Given my current state, could well be plenty more errors in my attempts at simulation and in the above discussion.
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Jerry, KE7ER |
Re: Has anyone built the 10 watt PA kit and used it with the QMX?
On Thu, Feb 27, 2025 at 08:57 AM, ajparent1/kb1gmx wrote:
My rule of thumb is 10dB gain minimum, maybe 6dB for a device for which no higher power alternate exists.? Pretty much what Allison said.
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There is an amplifier figure of merit called "power-added efficiency" which is?
(Pout-Pin)/(Vsupply*Isupply)
When the gain is very low this metric becomes very small.??
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It seems like madness to have a 20dB pad at the input of a 23dB gain amp.? It makes for a good input return loss, though!
73, Don N2VGU
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Re: #QMX Loaded FW 27, Now Dead?
#qmx
Final update...
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I sent it off to Jeff (W1NC)and he turned it around in a couple days. The main problem was the CPU. My guess is the two bad SMPS boards were the root cause, but Jeff did clean up some soldering as well, so I can't rule out the low budget guy working in my assembly lab ;).
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After replacing the CPU he gave it the white glove treatment and got everything working just right.?
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I wish I had ordered spare SMPS boards when I bought the kit, and had known about the procedure to check them out. I bet those two things would have saved me a lot of trouble. Hopefully someone else sees this thread and can benefit from my lesson.
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Now that we may be on the home stretch towards spring, I'm anxious to get out in the field some more.
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-Todd
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Re: QMX+ Military Version
That is really nice, Dave!? I wimped out and bought my kit with the case... hoping to start on it this weekend. You definitely will not have anyone claim it is another QMX+ "twinkie".? After I built my K2 a hardcore homebrewer accused me of building another "twinkie".? Mike KD5KXF |
The waiting list is scrolling very quick!
Hey Hans,
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Looking at the , one can be very pleased with the scrolling speed. Your "elves" assemble our much-wanted radios very quickly! We are at the end of February, and they are beginning to assemble the January orders. That's great news—thank you, and keep up the good work!
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73, Joe, DJ0CHE |
Re: Higher SWR Dummy Loads ??
开云体育Been using one since my Novice days. 1975.Was created not knowing any better because the vaporizer, ya know the old like hankscraft vaporizer for when you are sick? And if your water was too "Soft" no minerals, and it wouldn't boil in tme manual it told ya to add saly or soda till it would start to boil. Think about it, many super high voltage high power tubes use distilled water as the cooling medium. and were like talking 10 thousand volts in contact with the water. But pure water just H2O is an incredible insulator. The Mayo jar if it had pure H2o in it would give over 40 meg ohms resistance! Being a stupid teenager ham, I thought what's happening and figured when addind the soda to the water it is lowering the resistance and ya know for makong power and all that current draws etc. bla bla bla. so thats how I made my first one in 1975. Joe WB9SBD On 2/27/2025 10:54 AM, Todd W2TEF via
groups.io wrote:
Soda/salt water dummy load?!? Why didn't anyone tell me it could be this easy and cheap? A web-page about the idea: Thanks for the tip, Joe! 72 de Todd W2TEF |
Re: Recommendations for solder temps and workstation
On Thu, Feb 27, 2025 at 08:08 AM, Dean - KC9REN wrote:
This one addressed both those issues: ?What is the spare tip situation?? Much of the Chinese stuff uses Hakko tips, if this one does I might look into it.? ?
I am also considering this one, which has the temperature sensor embedded near the tip;? it uses proprietary, but inexpensive, tips.??
iron
shorter tips
73, Don N2VGU |
Re: QMX+ Military Version
On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 04:07 PM, Jeff Koenig wrote:
May I ask the name of the font you used for the lettering??Not the intended recipient, but I use this for my MIL and test equipment builds.? It is a variation on DIN17, from 1938: ?
The DIN standard, "" has been withdrawn but it is still very usable.
Extremely legible and should be easy to print.
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73, Don N2VGU
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Re: Higher SWR Dummy Loads ??
Many thanks everyone.?
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Lots to ponder. A couple to try with what I have on hand. GREG KI4NVX?
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