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Re: QMX - smoke - another C107/Q108 failure


 

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What we observe is that the LIN_REG_EN line goes from floating high to being pulled to the 3.3V MCU high state which as far as the V_IN line is concerned is low.? Hans has done this in his setup code. The effect is to turn the SMPS on without turning the Linear off. No one other than Hans can have done this or can say why.

There are two logic Off levels here, for the FETs in the positive supply lines off corresponds to close to the positive line and on is a lower voltage while for the FETS connected to the GND line and the MCU logic low is 0V and logic high is +3.3 V.

In most places the transition between these is managed using additional FETs such as Q101 for LIN_REG_EN and the linear supply, Q106 for the PWM_5V signal and Q107 for the PWM_3V3 signal but in the case of Q111 and Q110 this doesn't happen, they can both be on at the same time.

Chris, G5CTH

On 29/08/2023 20:41, Paul - AI7JR wrote:

That's true, but it wasn't really the question, as I recall it. The question was about what made the lower voltage segment on the LIN_REG_EN line. Since I don't know the microprocessor, I can't comment on what Hans could have done, only comment on what is observed!

73, Paul -- AI7JR

On 8/29/23 12:35, Chris wrote:
On 29/08/2023 20:20, Paul - AI7JR wrote:

Until the microprocessor comes up, LIN_REG_EN will be pulled up to +12 by R101. Once it's up and initialized, it will be fed by the microprocessor output from it's 3.3 volt supply.

Does that fit what's observed?

Yes, but typically modern processors have a variety of control methods that can be configured, one of which is an 'open collector' style where it only pulls the line low and leaves it to float high. Hans seems to have decided to pull it high.

Chris, G5CTH

Paul -- AI7JR

On 8/29/23 11:54, Chris wrote:
Nothing.? The Linear continues to produce 3.3V relative to it's 'GND' pin. if the supply produced by the SMPS is more then it provides nothing.? All this is confused by D102 andD103 which prevent the linear getting a voltage on its output which it can't cope with.

Chris, G5CTH

On 29/08/2023 19:40, Jonathan Burchmore wrote:
What is the mechanism that reduces the voltage on LIN_REG_IN during that half-way state from the supply voltage to 3.3V? ?It seems to me that the supply voltage passes through Q103 & Q105 (on the 5V board), then R101 on the 3v3 board and is directly connected from there to PD7 on the processor.

Jonathan KN6LFB




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