Re: 85 Euro (AT) Redmond WA
It is an AT and has 15XXXX miles.? Not that it's a bad thing, but
truly sounds like a sorted driver 928 (and a euro old body style
with the 310 HP engine).? Also said it was worked on by Leif so
one can get the history of it from him I'm sure.?
Wonder what the "proper" federalization did to it.? I suppose all
that could be reversed and put back to original euro config.?
On 12/23/2023 9:34 PM, Brian King via
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Too good to be true?
Get
Anyone on here?? Looks pretty clean and decent price
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Anyone on here?? Looks pretty clean and decent price
Edit:? Read the ad, sounds like someones estate is selling for the former owner (from Friday Harbor).? Perhaps Jim and Sue know him as it was apparently at the San Juan Concours event.?
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Re: 81 928 auto available soon
I also have a bunch of black trim (fog bezels, rear 3 piece spoiler, and some window trim for an interested anti-silver party.
On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 5:42?PM jeff evans via <bluehare0188= [email protected]> wrote: yes, someone put a lot of silver into this car. It's a little too nice to turn to a parts car, especially with the lack of room I have at the moment. Jeff Evans
yea, I thought so, but looking at the "body" vs all the other
black stuff it seems the body paint is good, and the other stuff
made to go monochrome look like beading/mirror
rubbers/bumperettes/light surrounds were done in another "silver",
but only Jeff E knows at the moment :D
On 12/15/2023 2:27 PM, Jeff Mohler via
wrote:
Silver sheep dip. ??
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Gustatus Similis Pullus
Interesting... That's a lot of silver :D
Is it repainted? or did the P.O. just paint the
bumperettes, wing etc ?
On 12/15/2023 2:11 PM, jeff evans via wrote:
Here's the photos.? Looking for 3500. Do
have the passenger door panel.
I'll update with some photos soon.
The car has been off the road for a really long
time (2014 was the last tabs?before the previous
owner registered it}. Starts right?up, but idles
odd after it starts to warm up. Sunroof car, with
sport seats and a good dash. Unfortunately,
someone redid most of the interior in silver/grey.
If someone wants to look at it, it's in Tacoma.?
Jeff Evans
Pics
and price are always good.?
Not interested in another, but be careful, once
you have one 928, there seems to be a strange
desire to get another, and another.
:D LOL
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Re: 81 928 auto available soon
yes, someone put a lot of silver into this car. It's a little too nice to turn to a parts car, especially with the lack of room I have at the moment. Jeff Evans
yea, I thought so, but looking at the "body" vs all the other
black stuff it seems the body paint is good, and the other stuff
made to go monochrome look like beading/mirror
rubbers/bumperettes/light surrounds were done in another "silver",
but only Jeff E knows at the moment :D
On 12/15/2023 2:27 PM, Jeff Mohler via
wrote:
Silver sheep dip. ??
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Gustatus Similis Pullus
Interesting... That's a lot of silver :D
Is it repainted? or did the P.O. just paint the
bumperettes, wing etc ?
On 12/15/2023 2:11 PM, jeff evans via wrote:
Here's the photos.? Looking for 3500. Do
have the passenger door panel.
I'll update with some photos soon.
The car has been off the road for a really long
time (2014 was the last tabs?before the previous
owner registered it}. Starts right?up, but idles
odd after it starts to warm up. Sunroof car, with
sport seats and a good dash. Unfortunately,
someone redid most of the interior in silver/grey.
If someone wants to look at it, it's in Tacoma.?
Jeff Evans
Pics
and price are always good.?
Not interested in another, but be careful, once
you have one 928, there seems to be a strange
desire to get another, and another.
:D LOL
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Re: 81 928 auto available soon
yea, I thought so, but looking at the "body" vs all the other
black stuff it seems the body paint is good, and the other stuff
made to go monochrome look like beading/mirror
rubbers/bumperettes/light surrounds were done in another "silver",
but only Jeff E knows at the moment :D
On 12/15/2023 2:27 PM, Jeff Mohler via
groups.io wrote:
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Silver sheep dip. ??
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Gustatus Similis Pullus
Interesting... That's a lot of silver :D
Is it repainted? or did the P.O. just paint the
bumperettes, wing etc ?
On 12/15/2023 2:11 PM, jeff evans via wrote:
Here's the photos.? Looking for 3500. Do
have the passenger door panel.
I'll update with some photos soon.
The car has been off the road for a really long
time (2014 was the last tabs?before the previous
owner registered it}. Starts right?up, but idles
odd after it starts to warm up. Sunroof car, with
sport seats and a good dash. Unfortunately,
someone redid most of the interior in silver/grey.
If someone wants to look at it, it's in Tacoma.?
Jeff Evans
Pics
and price are always good.?
Not interested in another, but be careful, once
you have one 928, there seems to be a strange
desire to get another, and another.
:D LOL
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Re: 81 928 auto available soon
Silver sheep dip. ?? ---
Gustatus Similis Pullus
Interesting... That's a lot of silver :D
Is it repainted? or did the P.O. just paint the bumperettes, wing
etc ?
On 12/15/2023 2:11 PM, jeff evans via
wrote:
Here's the photos.? Looking for 3500. Do have the
passenger door panel.
I'll update with some photos soon. The car has
been off the road for a really long time (2014 was the last
tabs?before the previous owner registered it}. Starts
right?up, but idles odd after it starts to warm up. Sunroof
car, with sport seats and a good dash. Unfortunately,
someone redid most of the interior in silver/grey. If
someone wants to look at it, it's in Tacoma.?
Jeff Evans
Pics
and price are always good.?
Not interested in another, but be careful, once you have
one 928, there seems to be a strange desire to get
another, and another.
:D LOL
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Re: Any decent LED retrofits for H3 out there?
For the other part of your question, it's a well known thing with the 944 to make/buy a separate headlight relay harness. This has a couple of positive things going for it. First, you avoid fires from the current that can go through older, oxidized contacts in the switch. Second, getting power to the lights straight from the battery or alternator results in significantly higher light output. Lumen output is not linear with input voltage, so small decreases due to oxidation/corrosion in the wiring, at the switch, or basically anywhere in the circuit, will make the system terrible, quickly.
I've asked, in the past, why folks don't do it on the 928, but I didn't quite understand the reasoning at the time and dropped the idea. I'm still not totally sure where I'd put the relays in the engine bay, even if it were viable.
Good luck.
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Re: 81 928 auto available soon
Interesting... That's a lot of silver :D
Is it repainted? or did the P.O. just paint the bumperettes, wing
etc ?
On 12/15/2023 2:11 PM, jeff evans via
groups.io wrote:
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Here's the photos.? Looking for 3500. Do have the
passenger door panel.
I'll update with some photos soon. The car has
been off the road for a really long time (2014 was the last
tabs?before the previous owner registered it}. Starts
right?up, but idles odd after it starts to warm up. Sunroof
car, with sport seats and a good dash. Unfortunately,
someone redid most of the interior in silver/grey. If
someone wants to look at it, it's in Tacoma.?
Jeff Evans
Pics
and price are always good.?
Not interested in another, but be careful, once you have
one 928, there seems to be a strange desire to get
another, and another.
:D LOL
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Re: 81 928 auto available soon
Here's the photos.? Looking for 3500. Do have the passenger door panel.
I'll update with some photos soon. The car has been off the road for a really long time (2014 was the last tabs?before the previous owner registered it}. Starts right?up, but idles odd after it starts to warm up. Sunroof car, with sport seats and a good dash. Unfortunately, someone redid most of the interior in silver/grey. If someone wants to look at it, it's in Tacoma.?
Jeff Evans
Pics and price are always good.?
Not interested in another, but be careful, once you have one 928, there seems to be a strange desire to get another, and another.
:D LOL
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Re: Any decent LED retrofits for H3 out there?
Well if they actually produce 1600 lumens, that's promising, but it still bothers me that no one bothers to orient the LED chips transversely to properly mimic the transverse filament of an H3 bulb; it feels like they design a retrofit for an H1, then cut it down (hopefully getting the center of the LED 18 mm from the flange) and stuck it on an H3 flange.
Regarding your question about suitable H3 LED options: Porsche specified 55-watt H3 halogen bulbs for the fog and auxiliary driving light locations. 55-watts (halogen) is the equivalent?of 1240 lumens. So when looking for LED alternatives, you would want similar or more lumens in order for them to be effective. As pointed?out, there are not many H3 LED bulbs that offer comparable lumens and will fit in the factory location. Higher-lumen H3 LEDs often come with large power?supplies and heat syncs that require modification to the light assemblies.
I have experimented with several H3 options, including the Woodypeck variant. They all do not produce enough lumens to be effective to see with. In my latest experiment, I have been using bulbs in both the Fog and Aux locations. They have 1600 lumens per bulb, which is slightly brighter than a 55-watt halogen bulb. I can actually tell when they are on, and the illumination seems comparable to the halogen.?
 ? They also come in a , which i am trying for my fog location, which I also really like.
These bulbs will fit into the fog light assembly. The retaining clips do require some finessing around the base cooling fins. Also, I had to split the casing that houses both leads so I could match them into their respective receptacles. I used a sharp, thin blade (ie, box cutter). It's obvious when you have them in your hands with the fog lights apart.??
Everyone will have their own rationalization to use or not use LED bulbs. For me, I am drawn to the low power utilization if I can match the lumen output and make everything look good. Replacement LED's for the headlights (H4 or 9004) can be found with more than double the lumen output of the standard halogen bulbs with a fraction of the amp draw. So I started there and decided to try and color match 6000k the rest of the front-facing lights.
6mo. ??
I dont expect any H3 ever to work in our shallow housings.? Ever.? And be better.? Ever. ?
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How long ago did you try Woodpeck's kit?? I just looked it up and noticed that they're advertising the current offering as being "new for 2022."? (Of course, they're also making the contradictory claims of only 450 lumens output and "equivalent to 80w Halogen bulb" [which would be >2000 lumens], so I probably shouldn't hold my breath.)
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Re: 81 928 auto available soon
I'll update with some photos soon. The car has been off the road for a really long time (2014 was the last tabs?before the previous owner registered it}. Starts right?up, but idles odd after it starts to warm up. Sunroof car, with sport seats and a good dash. Unfortunately, someone redid most of the interior in silver/grey. If someone wants to look at it, it's in Tacoma.?
Jeff Evans
Pics and price are always good.?
Not interested in another, but be careful, once you have one 928, there seems to be a strange desire to get another, and another.
:D LOL
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Re: Any decent LED retrofits for H3 out there?
Regarding your question about suitable H3 LED options: Porsche specified 55-watt H3 halogen bulbs for the fog and auxiliary driving light locations. 55-watts (halogen) is the equivalent?of 1240 lumens. So when looking for LED alternatives, you would want similar or more lumens in order for them to be effective. As pointed?out, there are not many H3 LED bulbs that offer comparable lumens and will fit in the factory location. Higher-lumen H3 LEDs often come with large power?supplies and heat syncs that require modification to the light assemblies.
I have experimented with several H3 options, including the Woodypeck variant. They all do not produce enough lumens to be effective to see with. In my latest experiment, I have been using bulbs in both the Fog and Aux locations. They have 1600 lumens per bulb, which is slightly brighter than a 55-watt halogen bulb. I can actually tell when they are on, and the illumination seems comparable to the halogen.?
 ? They also come in a , which i am trying for my fog location, which I also really like.
These bulbs will fit into the fog light assembly. The retaining clips do require some finessing around the base cooling fins. Also, I had to split the casing that houses both leads so I could match them into their respective receptacles. I used a sharp, thin blade (ie, box cutter). It's obvious when you have them in your hands with the fog lights apart.??
Everyone will have their own rationalization to use or not use LED bulbs. For me, I am drawn to the low power utilization if I can match the lumen output and make everything look good. Replacement LED's for the headlights (H4 or 9004) can be found with more than double the lumen output of the standard halogen bulbs with a fraction of the amp draw. So I started there and decided to try and color match 6000k the rest of the front-facing lights.
6mo. ??
I dont expect any H3 ever to work in our shallow housings.? Ever.? And be better.? Ever. ?
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Gustatus Similis Pullus
How long ago did you try Woodpeck's kit?? I just looked it up and noticed that they're advertising the current offering as being "new for 2022."? (Of course, they're also making the contradictory claims of only 450 lumens output and "equivalent to 80w Halogen bulb" [which would be >2000 lumens], so I probably shouldn't hold my breath.)
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1992 Porsche?928 GTS Japan market
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Re: Any decent LED retrofits for H3 out there?
6mo. ??
I dont expect any H3 ever to work in our shallow housings.? Ever.? And be better.? Ever. ?
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Gustatus Similis Pullus
How long ago did you try Woodpeck's kit?? I just looked it up and noticed that they're advertising the current offering as being "new for 2022."? (Of course, they're also making the contradictory claims of only 450 lumens output and "equivalent to 80w Halogen bulb" [which would be >2000 lumens], so I probably shouldn't hold my breath.)
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Re: Any decent LED retrofits for H3 out there?
How long ago did you try Woodpeck's kit?? I just looked it up and noticed that they're advertising the current offering as being "new for 2022."? (Of course, they're also making the contradictory claims of only 450 lumens output and "equivalent to 80w Halogen bulb" [which would be >2000 lumens], so I probably shouldn't hold my breath.)
-Joe
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Re: Any decent LED retrofits for H3 out there?
Not really, no.? There are H3 LEDs out there, but they are too big for our very 'not very deep' housings.
The ones that do fit, are NOT as bright as OE wattage either, because they are compromised by heat dissipation.
I tried about 4 different ones, including woodpeck's kit, they all came out in under 10 minutes.
On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 5:30?PM Joe Elliott < jelliott4@...> wrote: While I realize that the short answer is probably "no," because any attempt to replicate the optics of an incandescent filament with LEDs on a board is inevitably a bit compromised, I know that sometimes one can get lucky and find an LED retrofit that actually works OK in a given lamp if not universally.
And so I've been thinking: 1) The driving lights on the S4 are there primarily to provide the flashing function when the headlights are stowed, so there's not much downside to a somewhat-flawed beam pattern (i.e. I'm not convinced they contribute noticeably to the net illumination you get when the high beams are turned on). 2) While looking through the wiring diagrams for something else the other day, I was surprised to discover that the driving lights on the S4 are NOT powered through a relay, but rather all their current goes through the column switch (not just for flashing, which is typical, but also when the high beams are on, despite the current for the high beam filaments within the headlights going through a relay).
My first instinct in response to #2 was that I should add a relay, just like I would for an older car that didn't have any headlight relays to begin with.? But considered in conjunction with #1, maybe the more elegant means of prolonging the life of the column switch would be to simply replace the driving light bulbs with LEDs!? Have any of you tried this, and have you found a solution that doesn't suck?
Thanks, Joe
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Any decent LED retrofits for H3 out there?
While I realize that the short answer is probably "no," because any attempt to replicate the optics of an incandescent filament with LEDs on a board is inevitably a bit compromised, I know that sometimes one can get lucky and find an LED retrofit that actually works OK in a given lamp if not universally.
And so I've been thinking: 1) The driving lights on the S4 are there primarily to provide the flashing function when the headlights are stowed, so there's not much downside to a somewhat-flawed beam pattern (i.e. I'm not convinced they contribute noticeably to the net illumination you get when the high beams are turned on). 2) While looking through the wiring diagrams for something else the other day, I was surprised to discover that the driving lights on the S4 are NOT powered through a relay, but rather all their current goes through the column switch (not just for flashing, which is typical, but also when the high beams are on, despite the current for the high beam filaments within the headlights going through a relay).
My first instinct in response to #2 was that I should add a relay, just like I would for an older car that didn't have any headlight relays to begin with.? But considered in conjunction with #1, maybe the more elegant means of prolonging the life of the column switch would be to simply replace the driving light bulbs with LEDs!? Have any of you tried this, and have you found a solution that doesn't suck?
Thanks, Joe
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Re: 81 928 auto available soon
Pics and price are always good.?
Not interested in another, but be careful, once you have one 928, there seems to be a strange desire to get another, and another.
:D LOL
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81 928 auto available soon
Ran across a silver 81, auto, sunroof car with manhole wheels. Runs and drives, Should be available?next week. If you know someone?looking for a good starter 928 to catch up maintenance on and get into pretty inexpensively, let me know. I'll post?some photos once I have time to get out to the shop and take them.?
Jeff Evans
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Black hatch with gold tint (iirc) window
If anyone needs a decent rear hatch, I have a spare one here. I think it is an early spoilerless one. Also has a good rear window in it.?? Going to try and clean out some of the spare 928 parts in the garage, it's getting way too full in here. It's in tacoma.?
Jeff Evans
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Michael Benno