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Re: Portland area meetup?, Brake pad questions

 

Jeff- Nice! That sounds like what I'm looking for. I don't do any "spirited driving". I'm too cheap to pay the traffic tickets! lol Gotta love 1-rotor-set cars. 170k is really good! Alot of my Corollas were like that too. I'm pretty easy on the brakes. Thanks for the suggestion!

Regards,
Mick
On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 11:42:06 AM PDT, Jeff Mohler <speedtoys.racing@...> wrote:


Just me...but 95% of people just driving the car...will love the Porterfield pads..the dust wont hurt wheels either.



When i sold pads retail online..this was the go-to for most people.? They're?not bad cold, but get progressively?more responsive as they warm up.? I wouldnt say they are GREAT pads for a really set of spirited track laps however...the 928 brakes were big for the day and tires of the day, but not TOday.? ;)

My wife and I have had many cars..and they were all 1-rotor-set cars on these pads...up to 170 miles which is the longest we drove any single car, that was a Mazdaspeed3.


On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 11:17?AM mick cowles via <mickcowles=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Jeff,

Thanks for all of that! Very helpful! Especially about cleaning the piston boot seals, and bleeding before removing the pads. You also make a great point about the abrasiveness of brake pads and the cost of new rotors. And that's really at the crux of the question I'm posing....Which brand of brake pads will be easiest on my rotors? If there's another brand of pad you'd recommend that is less abrasive than the Textar pads and isn't prone to squealing, I'd appreciate it. If you have suggestions about which suppliers to use, that would be great too!

Thanks!
Mick
On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 10:47:26 AM PDT, Jeff Mohler <speedtoys.racing@...> wrote:


"you need a hard compound that won't soften"

That's not a thing.? You need a compound that can do high heat stops more than once or twice.? ?It's about their coefficient of friction AT high temperatures.? They can SEEM harder, but that's not the primary, secondary..and so on, requirement.? It's a probable result.

And any brake pad, can lock up the tires a few times...but then again, coefficients/etc.

I like the Textar, but they were entirely not worth the cost of rotors that they bring with them.? They are mildly abrasive at all temperatures...and iron laden dust is not a friend.? On my 330mm kit, it's a huge issue (rotor cost) that makes OE rotors seem casually affordable.? I know you felt the PF pads were a tad lacking "cold" but I dont?notice on street work, spirited driving always has warm up cycles..not just dive in cold.? And..I'll probly never buy a set of rotors again...and at $475 per rotor ring..

When replacing pads..an old toothbrush to clean out the dust/debris from the piston boot seals is a friendly thing to do as well.

ALso, the easy way to check the pads is to check brake fluid level.? :). NEVER add fluid when it's "low"..that's pad wear...and now you have a real problem pushing the pistons back in..

Brake fluid, even if never abused, gets squishy over time, bleed BEFORE removing old pads, then you don't?have to bleed down the fluid that pushing the pistons back in..would force back UP the system.

And yes, I beat the F out of my brakes a # of times a year...getting air at Thunderhill is a challenge for example.? ?:)




On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 10:29?AM Jim Corenman <jcorenman@...> wrote:
Mick,


Re: brakes, "not racing" doesn't mean you don't have to stop that quickly. Stuff happens-- deer, idiots on the highway, etc. The difference is heat: on a race track you are doing a lot of hard braking, and you need a hard compound that won't soften. But a hard compound is no good when it is cold. We've run the gamut and went back to factory pads (made by Textar I think), they work very well over a wide range.

Measure your rotors, 30/22mm (front/rear) is the minimum (for S4+). And respect the factory 2mm min pad thickness, that's more about insulating the pistons, seals and fluid from the heat. We always leave the calipers in place for pad replacement, just push the pistons back with the pads and then pull the pads. Opening the bleeder is a good idea, and partially bleeds the system when you add fresh fluid to the reservoir. But a full flush is also a good idea.

Porsche uses "damping plates" which stick to the back of the pads to reduce brake squeal. Not expensive, the problem is that they have fingers which extend into the allow pistons and don't allow the pads to just be slipped out. We don't bother. Adding a bit of high-temp anti-seize compound to the steel pad backing plate does help-- on the edge where the backing plate meets the caliper, and on the back where it meets the piston. And sometimes they squeak.

Pad warning-sensors are a one-time deal, the rotor edge saws through a wire loop embedded in plastic. So if the warning goes off, the offending sensor needs replacing. And if the rotor has a lip, then the warning goes off early. Our sensors were bypassed by a PO long ago and not missed, it is easy enough to check the pads.

Cheers, Jim

----- Original Message -----
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2023 15:41:45 +0000 (UTC)
From: "mick cowles via " <mickcowles=[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: [PacNW928] Portland area meetup?, Brake pad questions

?Michael B- It would be great to meet up sometime! I was thinking some Portland area meetups would make sense. Ken and I were talking about tinkering with the vacuum line on my automatic transmission. (Shifts hard when coasting in stop and go traffic). Also, I just shot Tom928 an email seeing if he might be interested in getting together for some projects. It would be cool if other Pacnw928 guys could join us, but it may not be practical due to the distance involved. I'm always happy to help people with 928 projects...heck, I don't even care if its a 928. I just enjoy wrenching and learning about mechanical stuff. Probably, the most urgent task on my shark is to swap out the rear brake pads. I've done brakes on Corollas, but never on a 928. Seems pretty straight forward. I'm down to 1-2 mm on those rear pads. When Ken took a peek at the rotors, he thought they might be good for one more set of pads. So I'd hate to score up these rotors by putting the job off too long. (Who knows if the brake pad sensors will work, right??)

Pacnw928 guys- I could use some advice on choosing the right brake pads. I've driven a lot of beaters in my life, and the stopping distance of those cars was terrible, so anything I put in the 928 will be better than what I'm used to. I'm not racing, so I don't need to stop that quickly. Also, I don't care that much about dusting. I can't see thru to my calipers and rotors, so dust doesn't bother me. My priorities are a pad that won't eat my rotors quickly, and one that doesn't squeak. Any suggestions? Also, some advice about the best suppliers for 928 brake pads would be appreciated.

Thanks!
Mick

? ? ?On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 04:29:51 PM PDT, Michael Benno <michael.benno@...> wrote:
?Hey,?all?it was great to meet up with you all. Meet some new faces and reconnect with some old ones. Keith, you are a very generous host.?
Peter, I am so impressed with your 928 journeys!?
Mick, I am in Portland and would be happy to meet up whenever. Let me know it you need anything.??


On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 9:19?AM mick cowles via <mickcowles=[email protected]> wrote:

?Peter- Glad you got the hood issue sorted out and got a chance to look at the timing belt. It was a pleasure meeting you and talking about 928's and wines! Let me know if that Malbec I gave you is any good.

Andy- Thanks for taking the group photo. My sister and friends enjoyed seeing that. They've been following my journey with the 928 repairs since inheriting it, and were glad to see I got some help and have met some friends!

Pacnw928guys- I mentioned getting together in the fall. I'll start rattling everyone's cages again in a couple months! If anyone is near Portland and needs help with anything before then, feel free email me or text at the number below.

Best Regards,
Mick Cowles
(503) 484-4226

? ? ?On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 09:26:33 AM PDT, Peter S s/v Dawa II <scottpeterd@...> wrote:
It was great to finally put some faces to online names.? I had a great time.

The run back gave me a chance to sort out the mixture on the CIS.? I came back up via 101/3 through Shelton.? Sunday was an antique car show, so I stayed a while.

Ken: ?stopped at Napa and got some lithium grease.? The bonnet now works!

And thanks everyone for the help on adjusting the timing belt.

Sadly, this was pretty much the last trip for the 928.? This weekend I leave for 2 months for sailing. ?


Cheers






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1992 Porsche?928 GTS Japan market







----- End of Original Message -----







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Gustatus Similis Pullus



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Gustatus Similis Pullus
Re: Portland area meetup?, Brake pad questions

 

Just me...but 95% of people just driving the car...will love the Porterfield pads..the dust wont hurt wheels either.



When i sold pads retail online..this was the go-to for most people.? They're?not bad cold, but get progressively?more responsive as they warm up.? I wouldnt say they are GREAT pads for a really set of spirited track laps however...the 928 brakes were big for the day and tires of the day, but not TOday.? ;)

My wife and I have had many cars..and they were all 1-rotor-set cars on these pads...up to 170 miles which is the longest we drove any single car, that was a Mazdaspeed3.


On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 11:17?AM mick cowles via <mickcowles=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Jeff,

Thanks for all of that! Very helpful! Especially about cleaning the piston boot seals, and bleeding before removing the pads. You also make a great point about the abrasiveness of brake pads and the cost of new rotors. And that's really at the crux of the question I'm posing....Which brand of brake pads will be easiest on my rotors? If there's another brand of pad you'd recommend that is less abrasive than the Textar pads and isn't prone to squealing, I'd appreciate it. If you have suggestions about which suppliers to use, that would be great too!

Thanks!
Mick
On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 10:47:26 AM PDT, Jeff Mohler <speedtoys.racing@...> wrote:


"you need a hard compound that won't soften"

That's not a thing.? You need a compound that can do high heat stops more than once or twice.? ?It's about their coefficient of friction AT high temperatures.? They can SEEM harder, but that's not the primary, secondary..and so on, requirement.? It's a probable result.

And any brake pad, can lock up the tires a few times...but then again, coefficients/etc.

I like the Textar, but they were entirely not worth the cost of rotors that they bring with them.? They are mildly abrasive at all temperatures...and iron laden dust is not a friend.? On my 330mm kit, it's a huge issue (rotor cost) that makes OE rotors seem casually affordable.? I know you felt the PF pads were a tad lacking "cold" but I dont?notice on street work, spirited driving always has warm up cycles..not just dive in cold.? And..I'll probly never buy a set of rotors again...and at $475 per rotor ring..

When replacing pads..an old toothbrush to clean out the dust/debris from the piston boot seals is a friendly thing to do as well.

ALso, the easy way to check the pads is to check brake fluid level.? :). NEVER add fluid when it's "low"..that's pad wear...and now you have a real problem pushing the pistons back in..

Brake fluid, even if never abused, gets squishy over time, bleed BEFORE removing old pads, then you don't?have to bleed down the fluid that pushing the pistons back in..would force back UP the system.

And yes, I beat the F out of my brakes a # of times a year...getting air at Thunderhill is a challenge for example.? ?:)




On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 10:29?AM Jim Corenman <jcorenman@...> wrote:
Mick,


Re: brakes, "not racing" doesn't mean you don't have to stop that quickly. Stuff happens-- deer, idiots on the highway, etc. The difference is heat: on a race track you are doing a lot of hard braking, and you need a hard compound that won't soften. But a hard compound is no good when it is cold. We've run the gamut and went back to factory pads (made by Textar I think), they work very well over a wide range.

Measure your rotors, 30/22mm (front/rear) is the minimum (for S4+). And respect the factory 2mm min pad thickness, that's more about insulating the pistons, seals and fluid from the heat. We always leave the calipers in place for pad replacement, just push the pistons back with the pads and then pull the pads. Opening the bleeder is a good idea, and partially bleeds the system when you add fresh fluid to the reservoir. But a full flush is also a good idea.

Porsche uses "damping plates" which stick to the back of the pads to reduce brake squeal. Not expensive, the problem is that they have fingers which extend into the allow pistons and don't allow the pads to just be slipped out. We don't bother. Adding a bit of high-temp anti-seize compound to the steel pad backing plate does help-- on the edge where the backing plate meets the caliper, and on the back where it meets the piston. And sometimes they squeak.

Pad warning-sensors are a one-time deal, the rotor edge saws through a wire loop embedded in plastic. So if the warning goes off, the offending sensor needs replacing. And if the rotor has a lip, then the warning goes off early. Our sensors were bypassed by a PO long ago and not missed, it is easy enough to check the pads.

Cheers, Jim

----- Original Message -----
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2023 15:41:45 +0000 (UTC)
From: "mick cowles via " <mickcowles=[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: [PacNW928] Portland area meetup?, Brake pad questions

?Michael B- It would be great to meet up sometime! I was thinking some Portland area meetups would make sense. Ken and I were talking about tinkering with the vacuum line on my automatic transmission. (Shifts hard when coasting in stop and go traffic). Also, I just shot Tom928 an email seeing if he might be interested in getting together for some projects. It would be cool if other Pacnw928 guys could join us, but it may not be practical due to the distance involved. I'm always happy to help people with 928 projects...heck, I don't even care if its a 928. I just enjoy wrenching and learning about mechanical stuff. Probably, the most urgent task on my shark is to swap out the rear brake pads. I've done brakes on Corollas, but never on a 928. Seems pretty straight forward. I'm down to 1-2 mm on those rear pads. When Ken took a peek at the rotors, he thought they might be good for one more set of pads. So I'd hate to score up these rotors by putting the job off too long. (Who knows if the brake pad sensors will work, right??)

Pacnw928 guys- I could use some advice on choosing the right brake pads. I've driven a lot of beaters in my life, and the stopping distance of those cars was terrible, so anything I put in the 928 will be better than what I'm used to. I'm not racing, so I don't need to stop that quickly. Also, I don't care that much about dusting. I can't see thru to my calipers and rotors, so dust doesn't bother me. My priorities are a pad that won't eat my rotors quickly, and one that doesn't squeak. Any suggestions? Also, some advice about the best suppliers for 928 brake pads would be appreciated.

Thanks!
Mick

? ? ?On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 04:29:51 PM PDT, Michael Benno <michael.benno@...> wrote:
?Hey,?all?it was great to meet up with you all. Meet some new faces and reconnect with some old ones. Keith, you are a very generous host.?
Peter, I am so impressed with your 928 journeys!?
Mick, I am in Portland and would be happy to meet up whenever. Let me know it you need anything.??


On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 9:19?AM mick cowles via <mickcowles=[email protected]> wrote:

?Peter- Glad you got the hood issue sorted out and got a chance to look at the timing belt. It was a pleasure meeting you and talking about 928's and wines! Let me know if that Malbec I gave you is any good.

Andy- Thanks for taking the group photo. My sister and friends enjoyed seeing that. They've been following my journey with the 928 repairs since inheriting it, and were glad to see I got some help and have met some friends!

Pacnw928guys- I mentioned getting together in the fall. I'll start rattling everyone's cages again in a couple months! If anyone is near Portland and needs help with anything before then, feel free email me or text at the number below.

Best Regards,
Mick Cowles
(503) 484-4226

? ? ?On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 09:26:33 AM PDT, Peter S s/v Dawa II <scottpeterd@...> wrote:
It was great to finally put some faces to online names.? I had a great time.

The run back gave me a chance to sort out the mixture on the CIS.? I came back up via 101/3 through Shelton.? Sunday was an antique car show, so I stayed a while.

Ken: ?stopped at Napa and got some lithium grease.? The bonnet now works!

And thanks everyone for the help on adjusting the timing belt.

Sadly, this was pretty much the last trip for the 928.? This weekend I leave for 2 months for sailing. ?


Cheers






--
1992 Porsche?928 GTS Japan market







----- End of Original Message -----







--
---
Gustatus Similis Pullus



--
---
Gustatus Similis Pullus
Re: Portland area meetup?, Brake pad questions

 

Hi Jeff,

Thanks for all of that! Very helpful! Especially about cleaning the piston boot seals, and bleeding before removing the pads. You also make a great point about the abrasiveness of brake pads and the cost of new rotors. And that's really at the crux of the question I'm posing....Which brand of brake pads will be easiest on my rotors? If there's another brand of pad you'd recommend that is less abrasive than the Textar pads and isn't prone to squealing, I'd appreciate it. If you have suggestions about which suppliers to use, that would be great too!

Thanks!
Mick
On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 10:47:26 AM PDT, Jeff Mohler <speedtoys.racing@...> wrote:


"you need a hard compound that won't soften"

That's not a thing.? You need a compound that can do high heat stops more than once or twice.? ?It's about their coefficient of friction AT high temperatures.? They can SEEM harder, but that's not the primary, secondary..and so on, requirement.? It's a probable result.

And any brake pad, can lock up the tires a few times...but then again, coefficients/etc.

I like the Textar, but they were entirely not worth the cost of rotors that they bring with them.? They are mildly abrasive at all temperatures...and iron laden dust is not a friend.? On my 330mm kit, it's a huge issue (rotor cost) that makes OE rotors seem casually affordable.? I know you felt the PF pads were a tad lacking "cold" but I dont?notice on street work, spirited driving always has warm up cycles..not just dive in cold.? And..I'll probly never buy a set of rotors again...and at $475 per rotor ring..

When replacing pads..an old toothbrush to clean out the dust/debris from the piston boot seals is a friendly thing to do as well.

ALso, the easy way to check the pads is to check brake fluid level.? :). NEVER add fluid when it's "low"..that's pad wear...and now you have a real problem pushing the pistons back in..

Brake fluid, even if never abused, gets squishy over time, bleed BEFORE removing old pads, then you don't?have to bleed down the fluid that pushing the pistons back in..would force back UP the system.

And yes, I beat the F out of my brakes a # of times a year...getting air at Thunderhill is a challenge for example.? ?:)




On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 10:29?AM Jim Corenman <jcorenman@...> wrote:
Mick,


Re: brakes, "not racing" doesn't mean you don't have to stop that quickly. Stuff happens-- deer, idiots on the highway, etc. The difference is heat: on a race track you are doing a lot of hard braking, and you need a hard compound that won't soften. But a hard compound is no good when it is cold. We've run the gamut and went back to factory pads (made by Textar I think), they work very well over a wide range.

Measure your rotors, 30/22mm (front/rear) is the minimum (for S4+). And respect the factory 2mm min pad thickness, that's more about insulating the pistons, seals and fluid from the heat. We always leave the calipers in place for pad replacement, just push the pistons back with the pads and then pull the pads. Opening the bleeder is a good idea, and partially bleeds the system when you add fresh fluid to the reservoir. But a full flush is also a good idea.

Porsche uses "damping plates" which stick to the back of the pads to reduce brake squeal. Not expensive, the problem is that they have fingers which extend into the allow pistons and don't allow the pads to just be slipped out. We don't bother. Adding a bit of high-temp anti-seize compound to the steel pad backing plate does help-- on the edge where the backing plate meets the caliper, and on the back where it meets the piston. And sometimes they squeak.

Pad warning-sensors are a one-time deal, the rotor edge saws through a wire loop embedded in plastic. So if the warning goes off, the offending sensor needs replacing. And if the rotor has a lip, then the warning goes off early. Our sensors were bypassed by a PO long ago and not missed, it is easy enough to check the pads.

Cheers, Jim

----- Original Message -----
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2023 15:41:45 +0000 (UTC)
From: "mick cowles via " <mickcowles=[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: [PacNW928] Portland area meetup?, Brake pad questions

?Michael B- It would be great to meet up sometime! I was thinking some Portland area meetups would make sense. Ken and I were talking about tinkering with the vacuum line on my automatic transmission. (Shifts hard when coasting in stop and go traffic). Also, I just shot Tom928 an email seeing if he might be interested in getting together for some projects. It would be cool if other Pacnw928 guys could join us, but it may not be practical due to the distance involved. I'm always happy to help people with 928 projects...heck, I don't even care if its a 928. I just enjoy wrenching and learning about mechanical stuff. Probably, the most urgent task on my shark is to swap out the rear brake pads. I've done brakes on Corollas, but never on a 928. Seems pretty straight forward. I'm down to 1-2 mm on those rear pads. When Ken took a peek at the rotors, he thought they might be good for one more set of pads. So I'd hate to score up these rotors by putting the job off too long. (Who knows if the brake pad sensors will work, right??)

Pacnw928 guys- I could use some advice on choosing the right brake pads. I've driven a lot of beaters in my life, and the stopping distance of those cars was terrible, so anything I put in the 928 will be better than what I'm used to. I'm not racing, so I don't need to stop that quickly. Also, I don't care that much about dusting. I can't see thru to my calipers and rotors, so dust doesn't bother me. My priorities are a pad that won't eat my rotors quickly, and one that doesn't squeak. Any suggestions? Also, some advice about the best suppliers for 928 brake pads would be appreciated.

Thanks!
Mick

? ? ?On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 04:29:51 PM PDT, Michael Benno <michael.benno@...> wrote:
?Hey,?all?it was great to meet up with you all. Meet some new faces and reconnect with some old ones. Keith, you are a very generous host.?
Peter, I am so impressed with your 928 journeys!?
Mick, I am in Portland and would be happy to meet up whenever. Let me know it you need anything.??


On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 9:19?AM mick cowles via <mickcowles=[email protected]> wrote:

?Peter- Glad you got the hood issue sorted out and got a chance to look at the timing belt. It was a pleasure meeting you and talking about 928's and wines! Let me know if that Malbec I gave you is any good.

Andy- Thanks for taking the group photo. My sister and friends enjoyed seeing that. They've been following my journey with the 928 repairs since inheriting it, and were glad to see I got some help and have met some friends!

Pacnw928guys- I mentioned getting together in the fall. I'll start rattling everyone's cages again in a couple months! If anyone is near Portland and needs help with anything before then, feel free email me or text at the number below.

Best Regards,
Mick Cowles
(503) 484-4226

? ? ?On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 09:26:33 AM PDT, Peter S s/v Dawa II <scottpeterd@...> wrote:
It was great to finally put some faces to online names.? I had a great time.

The run back gave me a chance to sort out the mixture on the CIS.? I came back up via 101/3 through Shelton.? Sunday was an antique car show, so I stayed a while.

Ken: ?stopped at Napa and got some lithium grease.? The bonnet now works!

And thanks everyone for the help on adjusting the timing belt.

Sadly, this was pretty much the last trip for the 928.? This weekend I leave for 2 months for sailing. ?


Cheers






--
1992 Porsche?928 GTS Japan market







----- End of Original Message -----







--
---
Gustatus Similis Pullus
Re: Portland area meetup?, Brake pad questions

 

Hi Jim,

Thanks for all of that! It's very helpful information! Especially about the dampening pads, which I was confused about. So the main problem with them is that the caliper would have to be removed in order to install them? I'm
just weighing the options...I REALLY hate squeaking brakes, so I might elect to use the dampening pads if there is any chance they might reduce noise. Your point about stopping quickly is a good one. I definitely didn't mean to imply that it isn't important...only that there might be pads that would allow for quicker stopping than factory pads if I spent more money or didn't mind something that bites harder on the rotor. I know PorKen likes EBC yellows. He describes them as "aggressive pads" and feels that they compensate for "undersized rotors". I'm not really sure what he meant by all of that, but I'll ask him. So, yes...I think your suggestion of OEM (Textar) pads is a good one, and the direction I was leaning. They dust quite a bit and might not bite as hard as the EBC yellows, but I think they're fine for my needs. Do you have a few suggestions for suppliers for brake pads? Price isn't a huge issue, but it's always nice to get a good deal.

Thanks!
Mick
On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 10:29:20 AM PDT, Jim Corenman <jcorenman@...> wrote:


Mick,


Re: brakes, "not racing" doesn't mean you don't have to stop that quickly. Stuff happens-- deer, idiots on the highway, etc. The difference is heat: on a race track you are doing a lot of hard braking, and you need a hard compound that won't soften. But a hard compound is no good when it is cold. We've run the gamut and went back to factory pads (made by Textar I think), they work very well over a wide range.

Measure your rotors, 30/22mm (front/rear) is the minimum (for S4+). And respect the factory 2mm min pad thickness, that's more about insulating the pistons, seals and fluid from the heat. We always leave the calipers in place for pad replacement, just push the pistons back with the pads and then pull the pads. Opening the bleeder is a good idea, and partially bleeds the system when you add fresh fluid to the reservoir. But a full flush is also a good idea.

Porsche uses "damping plates" which stick to the back of the pads to reduce brake squeal. Not expensive, the problem is that they have fingers which extend into the allow pistons and don't allow the pads to just be slipped out. We don't bother. Adding a bit of high-temp anti-seize compound to the steel pad backing plate does help-- on the edge where the backing plate meets the caliper, and on the back where it meets the piston. And sometimes they squeak.

Pad warning-sensors are a one-time deal, the rotor edge saws through a wire loop embedded in plastic. So if the warning goes off, the offending sensor needs replacing. And if the rotor has a lip, then the warning goes off early. Our sensors were bypassed by a PO long ago and not missed, it is easy enough to check the pads.

Cheers, Jim

----- Original Message -----
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2023 15:41:45 +0000 (UTC)
From: "mick cowles via groups.io" <mickcowles@...>
Subject: [PacNW928] Portland area meetup?, Brake pad questions

Michael B- It would be great to meet up sometime! I was thinking some Portland area meetups would make sense. Ken and I were talking about tinkering with the vacuum line on my automatic transmission. (Shifts hard when coasting in stop and go traffic). Also, I just shot Tom928 an email seeing if he might be interested in getting together for some projects. It would be cool if other Pacnw928 guys could join us, but it may not be practical due to the distance involved. I'm always happy to help people with 928 projects...heck, I don't even care if its a 928. I just enjoy wrenching and learning about mechanical stuff. Probably, the most urgent task on my shark is to swap out the rear brake pads. I've done brakes on Corollas, but never on a 928. Seems pretty straight forward. I'm down to 1-2 mm on those rear pads. When Ken took a peek at the rotors, he thought they might be good for one more set of pads. So I'd hate to score up these rotors by putting the job off too long. (Who knows if the brake pad sensors will work, right??)

Pacnw928 guys- I could use some advice on choosing the right brake pads. I've driven a lot of beaters in my life, and the stopping distance of those cars was terrible, so anything I put in the 928 will be better than what I'm used to. I'm not racing, so I don't need to stop that quickly. Also, I don't care that much about dusting. I can't see thru to my calipers and rotors, so dust doesn't bother me. My priorities are a pad that won't eat my rotors quickly, and one that doesn't squeak. Any suggestions? Also, some advice about the best suppliers for 928 brake pads would be appreciated.

Thanks!
Mick

? ? On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 04:29:51 PM PDT, Michael Benno <michael.benno@...> wrote:
Hey,?all?it was great to meet up with you all. Meet some new faces and reconnect with some old ones. Keith, you are a very generous host.?
Peter, I am so impressed with your 928 journeys!?
Mick, I am in Portland and would be happy to meet up whenever. Let me know it you need anything.??


On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 9:19?AM mick cowles via groups.io <mickcowles@...> wrote:

Peter- Glad you got the hood issue sorted out and got a chance to look at the timing belt. It was a pleasure meeting you and talking about 928's and wines! Let me know if that Malbec I gave you is any good.

Andy- Thanks for taking the group photo. My sister and friends enjoyed seeing that. They've been following my journey with the 928 repairs since inheriting it, and were glad to see I got some help and have met some friends!

Pacnw928guys- I mentioned getting together in the fall. I'll start rattling everyone's cages again in a couple months! If anyone is near Portland and needs help with anything before then, feel free email me or text at the number below.

Best Regards,
Mick Cowles
(503) 484-4226

? ? On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 09:26:33 AM PDT, Peter S s/v Dawa II <scottpeterd@...> wrote:
It was great to finally put some faces to online names.? I had a great time.

The run back gave me a chance to sort out the mixture on the CIS.? I came back up via 101/3 through Shelton.? Sunday was an antique car show, so I stayed a while.

Ken: ?stopped at Napa and got some lithium grease.? The bonnet now works!

And thanks everyone for the help on adjusting the timing belt.

Sadly, this was pretty much the last trip for the 928.? This weekend I leave for 2 months for sailing. ?


Cheers






--
1992 Porsche?928 GTS Japan market







----- End of Original Message -----
Re: Portland area meetup?, Brake pad questions

 

"you need a hard compound that won't soften"

That's not a thing.? You need a compound that can do high heat stops more than once or twice.? ?It's about their coefficient of friction AT high temperatures.? They can SEEM harder, but that's not the primary, secondary..and so on, requirement.? It's a probable result.

And any brake pad, can lock up the tires a few times...but then again, coefficients/etc.

I like the Textar, but they were entirely not worth the cost of rotors that they bring with them.? They are mildly abrasive at all temperatures...and iron laden dust is not a friend.? On my 330mm kit, it's a huge issue (rotor cost) that makes OE rotors seem casually affordable.? I know you felt the PF pads were a tad lacking "cold" but I dont?notice on street work, spirited driving always has warm up cycles..not just dive in cold.? And..I'll probly never buy a set of rotors again...and at $475 per rotor ring..

When replacing pads..an old toothbrush to clean out the dust/debris from the piston boot seals is a friendly thing to do as well.

ALso, the easy way to check the pads is to check brake fluid level.? :). NEVER add fluid when it's "low"..that's pad wear...and now you have a real problem pushing the pistons back in..

Brake fluid, even if never abused, gets squishy over time, bleed BEFORE removing old pads, then you don't?have to bleed down the fluid that pushing the pistons back in..would force back UP the system.

And yes, I beat the F out of my brakes a # of times a year...getting air at Thunderhill is a challenge for example.? ?:)




On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 10:29?AM Jim Corenman <jcorenman@...> wrote:
Mick,


Re: brakes, "not racing" doesn't mean you don't have to stop that quickly. Stuff happens-- deer, idiots on the highway, etc. The difference is heat: on a race track you are doing a lot of hard braking, and you need a hard compound that won't soften. But a hard compound is no good when it is cold. We've run the gamut and went back to factory pads (made by Textar I think), they work very well over a wide range.

Measure your rotors, 30/22mm (front/rear) is the minimum (for S4+). And respect the factory 2mm min pad thickness, that's more about insulating the pistons, seals and fluid from the heat. We always leave the calipers in place for pad replacement, just push the pistons back with the pads and then pull the pads. Opening the bleeder is a good idea, and partially bleeds the system when you add fresh fluid to the reservoir. But a full flush is also a good idea.

Porsche uses "damping plates" which stick to the back of the pads to reduce brake squeal. Not expensive, the problem is that they have fingers which extend into the allow pistons and don't allow the pads to just be slipped out. We don't bother. Adding a bit of high-temp anti-seize compound to the steel pad backing plate does help-- on the edge where the backing plate meets the caliper, and on the back where it meets the piston. And sometimes they squeak.

Pad warning-sensors are a one-time deal, the rotor edge saws through a wire loop embedded in plastic. So if the warning goes off, the offending sensor needs replacing. And if the rotor has a lip, then the warning goes off early. Our sensors were bypassed by a PO long ago and not missed, it is easy enough to check the pads.

Cheers, Jim

----- Original Message -----
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2023 15:41:45 +0000 (UTC)
From: "mick cowles via " <mickcowles=[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: [PacNW928] Portland area meetup?, Brake pad questions

?Michael B- It would be great to meet up sometime! I was thinking some Portland area meetups would make sense. Ken and I were talking about tinkering with the vacuum line on my automatic transmission. (Shifts hard when coasting in stop and go traffic). Also, I just shot Tom928 an email seeing if he might be interested in getting together for some projects. It would be cool if other Pacnw928 guys could join us, but it may not be practical due to the distance involved. I'm always happy to help people with 928 projects...heck, I don't even care if its a 928. I just enjoy wrenching and learning about mechanical stuff. Probably, the most urgent task on my shark is to swap out the rear brake pads. I've done brakes on Corollas, but never on a 928. Seems pretty straight forward. I'm down to 1-2 mm on those rear pads. When Ken took a peek at the rotors, he thought they might be good for one more set of pads. So I'd hate to score up these rotors by putting the job off too long. (Who knows if the brake pad sensors will work, right??)

Pacnw928 guys- I could use some advice on choosing the right brake pads. I've driven a lot of beaters in my life, and the stopping distance of those cars was terrible, so anything I put in the 928 will be better than what I'm used to. I'm not racing, so I don't need to stop that quickly. Also, I don't care that much about dusting. I can't see thru to my calipers and rotors, so dust doesn't bother me. My priorities are a pad that won't eat my rotors quickly, and one that doesn't squeak. Any suggestions? Also, some advice about the best suppliers for 928 brake pads would be appreciated.

Thanks!
Mick

? ? ?On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 04:29:51 PM PDT, Michael Benno <michael.benno@...> wrote:
?Hey,?all?it was great to meet up with you all. Meet some new faces and reconnect with some old ones. Keith, you are a very generous host.?
Peter, I am so impressed with your 928 journeys!?
Mick, I am in Portland and would be happy to meet up whenever. Let me know it you need anything.??


On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 9:19?AM mick cowles via <mickcowles=[email protected]> wrote:

?Peter- Glad you got the hood issue sorted out and got a chance to look at the timing belt. It was a pleasure meeting you and talking about 928's and wines! Let me know if that Malbec I gave you is any good.

Andy- Thanks for taking the group photo. My sister and friends enjoyed seeing that. They've been following my journey with the 928 repairs since inheriting it, and were glad to see I got some help and have met some friends!

Pacnw928guys- I mentioned getting together in the fall. I'll start rattling everyone's cages again in a couple months! If anyone is near Portland and needs help with anything before then, feel free email me or text at the number below.

Best Regards,
Mick Cowles
(503) 484-4226

? ? ?On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 09:26:33 AM PDT, Peter S s/v Dawa II <scottpeterd@...> wrote:
It was great to finally put some faces to online names.? I had a great time.

The run back gave me a chance to sort out the mixture on the CIS.? I came back up via 101/3 through Shelton.? Sunday was an antique car show, so I stayed a while.

Ken: ?stopped at Napa and got some lithium grease.? The bonnet now works!

And thanks everyone for the help on adjusting the timing belt.

Sadly, this was pretty much the last trip for the 928.? This weekend I leave for 2 months for sailing. ?


Cheers






--
1992 Porsche?928 GTS Japan market







----- End of Original Message -----







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Re: Portland area meetup?, Brake pad questions

 

Mick,


Re: brakes, "not racing" doesn't mean you don't have to stop that quickly. Stuff happens-- deer, idiots on the highway, etc. The difference is heat: on a race track you are doing a lot of hard braking, and you need a hard compound that won't soften. But a hard compound is no good when it is cold. We've run the gamut and went back to factory pads (made by Textar I think), they work very well over a wide range.

Measure your rotors, 30/22mm (front/rear) is the minimum (for S4+). And respect the factory 2mm min pad thickness, that's more about insulating the pistons, seals and fluid from the heat. We always leave the calipers in place for pad replacement, just push the pistons back with the pads and then pull the pads. Opening the bleeder is a good idea, and partially bleeds the system when you add fresh fluid to the reservoir. But a full flush is also a good idea.

Porsche uses "damping plates" which stick to the back of the pads to reduce brake squeal. Not expensive, the problem is that they have fingers which extend into the allow pistons and don't allow the pads to just be slipped out. We don't bother. Adding a bit of high-temp anti-seize compound to the steel pad backing plate does help-- on the edge where the backing plate meets the caliper, and on the back where it meets the piston. And sometimes they squeak.

Pad warning-sensors are a one-time deal, the rotor edge saws through a wire loop embedded in plastic. So if the warning goes off, the offending sensor needs replacing. And if the rotor has a lip, then the warning goes off early. Our sensors were bypassed by a PO long ago and not missed, it is easy enough to check the pads.

Cheers, Jim

----- Original Message -----
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2023 15:41:45 +0000 (UTC)
From: "mick cowles via groups.io" <mickcowles@...>
To: [email protected]
Subject: [PacNW928] Portland area meetup?, Brake pad questions

Michael B- It would be great to meet up sometime! I was thinking some Portland area meetups would make sense. Ken and I were talking about tinkering with the vacuum line on my automatic transmission. (Shifts hard when coasting in stop and go traffic). Also, I just shot Tom928 an email seeing if he might be interested in getting together for some projects. It would be cool if other Pacnw928 guys could join us, but it may not be practical due to the distance involved. I'm always happy to help people with 928 projects...heck, I don't even care if its a 928. I just enjoy wrenching and learning about mechanical stuff. Probably, the most urgent task on my shark is to swap out the rear brake pads. I've done brakes on Corollas, but never on a 928. Seems pretty straight forward. I'm down to 1-2 mm on those rear pads. When Ken took a peek at the rotors, he thought they might be good for one more set of pads. So I'd hate to score up these rotors by putting the job off too long. (Who knows if the brake pad sensors will work, right??)

Pacnw928 guys- I could use some advice on choosing the right brake pads. I've driven a lot of beaters in my life, and the stopping distance of those cars was terrible, so anything I put in the 928 will be better than what I'm used to. I'm not racing, so I don't need to stop that quickly. Also, I don't care that much about dusting. I can't see thru to my calipers and rotors, so dust doesn't bother me. My priorities are a pad that won't eat my rotors quickly, and one that doesn't squeak. Any suggestions? Also, some advice about the best suppliers for 928 brake pads would be appreciated.

Thanks!
Mick

On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 04:29:51 PM PDT, Michael Benno <michael.benno@...> wrote:
Hey,?all?it was great to meet up with you all. Meet some new faces and reconnect with some old ones. Keith, you are a very generous host.?
Peter, I am so impressed with your 928 journeys!?
Mick, I am in Portland and would be happy to meet up whenever. Let me know it you need anything.??


On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 9:19?AM mick cowles via groups.io <mickcowles@...> wrote:

Peter- Glad you got the hood issue sorted out and got a chance to look at the timing belt. It was a pleasure meeting you and talking about 928's and wines! Let me know if that Malbec I gave you is any good.

Andy- Thanks for taking the group photo. My sister and friends enjoyed seeing that. They've been following my journey with the 928 repairs since inheriting it, and were glad to see I got some help and have met some friends!

Pacnw928guys- I mentioned getting together in the fall. I'll start rattling everyone's cages again in a couple months! If anyone is near Portland and needs help with anything before then, feel free email me or text at the number below.

Best Regards,
Mick Cowles
(503) 484-4226

On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 09:26:33 AM PDT, Peter S s/v Dawa II <scottpeterd@...> wrote:
It was great to finally put some faces to online names.? I had a great time.

The run back gave me a chance to sort out the mixture on the CIS.? I came back up via 101/3 through Shelton.? Sunday was an antique car show, so I stayed a while.

Ken: ?stopped at Napa and got some lithium grease.? The bonnet now works!

And thanks everyone for the help on adjusting the timing belt.

Sadly, this was pretty much the last trip for the 928.? This weekend I leave for 2 months for sailing. ?


Cheers






--
1992 Porsche?928 GTS Japan market







----- End of Original Message -----
Re: Portland area meetup?, Brake pad questions

 

Peter- Great suggestion. I've seen videos of people replacing brake pads without removing the calipers. On Corollas, I've always removed them. It's been quite a few years, so I can't remember if I did that because it was necessary, or because it seemed easier to push in the pistons without damaging the rubber boots with the calipers dismounted. Certainly, it would be easier and faster if the calipers could stay put!

Thanks!
Mick
On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 08:57:53 AM PDT, Peter S s/v Dawa II <scottpeterd@...> wrote:


Mick,

I just did the rear pads before I came down. ?1 hour job at most for both sides. ?They are held in the pins.

Here is the kicker. ?Soak the bleeders in penetrant a few days before you start. ?The caliper pistons must be pushed back in to fit the new pads. ?Easiest way to do that is by loosening the bleeders. ?

Before you start removing the pads, make sure your bleeders can release. ?If not, it is very likely the caliper has to come off. ?
Re: Portland area meetup?, Brake pad questions

 

Mick,

I just did the rear pads before I came down. ?1 hour job at most for both sides. ?They are held in the pins.

Here is the kicker. ?Soak the bleeders in penetrant a few days before you start. ?The caliper pistons must be pushed back in to fit the new pads. ?Easiest way to do that is by loosening the bleeders. ?

Before you start removing the pads, make sure your bleeders can release. ?If not, it is very likely the caliper has to come off. ?
Portland area meetup?, Brake pad questions

 

Michael B- It would be great to meet up sometime! I was thinking some Portland area meetups would make sense. Ken and I were talking about tinkering with the vacuum line on my automatic transmission. (Shifts hard when coasting in stop and go traffic). Also, I just shot Tom928 an email seeing if he might be interested in getting together for some projects. It would be cool if other Pacnw928 guys could join us, but it may not be practical due to the distance involved. I'm always happy to help people with 928 projects...heck, I don't even care if its a 928. I just enjoy wrenching and learning about mechanical stuff. Probably, the most urgent task on my shark is to swap out the rear brake pads. I've done brakes on Corollas, but never on a 928. Seems pretty straight forward. I'm down to 1-2 mm on those rear pads. When Ken took a peek at the rotors, he thought they might be good for one more set of pads. So I'd hate to score up these rotors by putting the job off too long. (Who knows if the brake pad sensors will work, right??)

Pacnw928 guys- I could use some advice on choosing the right brake pads. I've driven a lot of beaters in my life, and the stopping distance of those cars was terrible, so anything I put in the 928 will be better than what I'm used to. I'm not racing, so I don't need to stop that quickly. Also, I don't care that much about dusting. I can't see thru to my calipers and rotors, so dust doesn't bother me. My priorities are a pad that won't eat my rotors quickly, and one that doesn't squeak. Any suggestions? Also, some advice about the best suppliers for 928 brake pads would be appreciated.

Thanks!
Mick

On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 04:29:51 PM PDT, Michael Benno <michael.benno@...> wrote:


Hey,?all?it was great to meet up with you all. Meet some new faces and reconnect with some old ones. Keith, you are a very generous host.?

Peter, I am so impressed with your 928 journeys!?

Mick, I am in Portland and would be happy to meet up whenever. Let me know it you need anything.??



On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 9:19?AM mick cowles via <mickcowles=[email protected]> wrote:
Peter- Glad you got the hood issue sorted out and got a chance to look at the timing belt. It was a pleasure meeting you and talking about 928's and wines! Let me know if that Malbec I gave you is any good.

Andy- Thanks for taking the group photo. My sister and friends enjoyed seeing that. They've been following my journey with the 928 repairs since inheriting it, and were glad to see I got some help and have met some friends!

Pacnw928guys- I mentioned getting together in the fall. I'll start rattling everyone's cages again in a couple months! If anyone is near Portland and needs help with anything before then, feel free email me or text at the number below.

Best Regards,
Mick Cowles
(503) 484-4226

On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 09:26:33 AM PDT, Peter S s/v Dawa II <scottpeterd@...> wrote:


It was great to finally put some faces to online names.? I had a great time.

The run back gave me a chance to sort out the mixture on the CIS.? I came back up via 101/3 through Shelton.? Sunday was an antique car show, so I stayed a while.

Ken: ?stopped at Napa and got some lithium grease.? The bonnet now works!

And thanks everyone for the help on adjusting the timing belt.

Sadly, this was pretty much the last trip for the 928.? This weekend I leave for 2 months for sailing. ?


Cheers


--
1992 Porsche?928 GTS Japan market
Re: BG meetup

 

Hey,?all?it was great to meet up with you all. Meet some new faces and reconnect with some old ones. Keith, you are a very generous host.?

Peter, I am so impressed with your 928 journeys!?

Mick, I am in Portland and would be happy to meet up whenever. Let me know it you need anything.??



On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 9:19?AM mick cowles via <mickcowles=[email protected]> wrote:
Peter- Glad you got the hood issue sorted out and got a chance to look at the timing belt. It was a pleasure meeting you and talking about 928's and wines! Let me know if that Malbec I gave you is any good.

Andy- Thanks for taking the group photo. My sister and friends enjoyed seeing that. They've been following my journey with the 928 repairs since inheriting it, and were glad to see I got some help and have met some friends!

Pacnw928guys- I mentioned getting together in the fall. I'll start rattling everyone's cages again in a couple months! If anyone is near Portland and needs help with anything before then, feel free email me or text at the number below.

Best Regards,
Mick Cowles
(503) 484-4226

On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 09:26:33 AM PDT, Peter S s/v Dawa II <scottpeterd@...> wrote:


It was great to finally put some faces to online names.? I had a great time.

The run back gave me a chance to sort out the mixture on the CIS.? I came back up via 101/3 through Shelton.? Sunday was an antique car show, so I stayed a while.

Ken: ?stopped at Napa and got some lithium grease.? The bonnet now works!

And thanks everyone for the help on adjusting the timing belt.

Sadly, this was pretty much the last trip for the 928.? This weekend I leave for 2 months for sailing. ?


Cheers


--
1992 Porsche?928 GTS Japan market
Re: BG meetup

 

Peter- Glad you got the hood issue sorted out and got a chance to look at the timing belt. It was a pleasure meeting you and talking about 928's and wines! Let me know if that Malbec I gave you is any good.

Andy- Thanks for taking the group photo. My sister and friends enjoyed seeing that. They've been following my journey with the 928 repairs since inheriting it, and were glad to see I got some help and have met some friends!

Pacnw928guys- I mentioned getting together in the fall. I'll start rattling everyone's cages again in a couple months! If anyone is near Portland and needs help with anything before then, feel free email me or text at the number below.

Best Regards,
Mick Cowles
(503) 484-4226

On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 09:26:33 AM PDT, Peter S s/v Dawa II <scottpeterd@...> wrote:


It was great to finally put some faces to online names. ?I had a great time.

The run back gave me a chance to sort out the mixture on the CIS. ?I came back up via 101/3 through Shelton. ?Sunday was an antique car show, so I stayed a while.

Ken: ?stopped at Napa and got some lithium grease. ?The bonnet now works!

And thanks everyone for the help on adjusting the timing belt.

Sadly, this was pretty much the last trip for the 928. ?This weekend I leave for 2 months for sailing. ?


Cheers
Leif's contact information?

 

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Searching for the latest contact info for Leif in Woodinville area...? Thank you!
BG meetup

 

It was great to finally put some faces to online names. ?I had a great time.

The run back gave me a chance to sort out the mixture on the CIS. ?I came back up via 101/3 through Shelton. ?Sunday was an antique car show, so I stayed a while.

Ken: ?stopped at Napa and got some lithium grease. ?The bonnet now works!

And thanks everyone for the help on adjusting the timing belt.

Sadly, this was pretty much the last trip for the 928. ?This weekend I leave for 2 months for sailing. ?


Cheers
Re: Saturday August 26th 928 Meet, Mend & Eat BBQ in Battle Ground WA

 

Pacnw928 guys- Thanks again for making the trip to Battleground! It was good meeting you all. I appreciated the help and had a great time!

Tom M- It was pleasure meeting you. Thanks again for the gift of the subwoofer!

Tom928- Good meeting you and thanks for all your help turning the wrenches!

Micheal B- Nice meeting you, and thanks for the help reinstalling the ignition coil. My knuckles appreciated the break and you did it a lot faster than I could have!

PorKen- It was a pleasure and honor to meet you. Thanks for all you've done for the 928 community and for your expertise on Saturday!

Keith M- Thanks so much for hosting the event. What a beautiful home you have! I enjoyed the music, the food, and your company!

Pacnw928guys- Y'all are the best! Let's do it again. Maybe in the fall!

Best Regards,
Mick Cowles
(503) 484-4226



On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 09:15:07 PM PDT, bucc_or <rigel_vii@...> wrote:


I was great to see old friends and meet new ones.

Thanks to Keith for hosting and food. Mick for the wine.

Andre for the photo and Ken/Tom for help with the 32V disassembly tips.



Talk with everyone later,

Tom928



On 08/27/2023 11:10 AM, Andre S wrote:
For those who showed up, it was a great pleasure.?

I realize why I fell in love with the 928!

Get

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Andre S <ads78911@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2023 11:06:08 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [PacNW928] Saturday August 26th 928 Meet, Mend & Eat BBQ in Battle Ground WA
?
A big Thank You to our host, Keith Martin in allowing us to gather at his home shop in BG.

For those?


Get
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Keith Martin <keithrmartin@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2023 9:44:41 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [PacNW928] Saturday August 26th 928 Meet, Mend & Eat BBQ in Battle Ground WA
?
YES IT WILL BE HOT!! - Supposed to be 93 in BG today.??
  1. I have some shade.
  2. I have A/C
  3. I can even make 1 or 2 inside (not A/Ced) places to work on cars.??
  4. I have a million coolers - bring ice and H2O or alternate beverages to keep hydrated.??
TEXT ME at number below if any last questions.? I will not see any more emails.??
See everyone soon!??


Regards,

Keith R. Martin

Phone: 503-250-2928
Re: Saturday August 26th 928 Meet, Mend & Eat BBQ in Battle Ground WA

 

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I was great to see old friends and meet new ones.

Thanks to Keith for hosting and food. Mick for the wine.

Andre for the photo and Ken/Tom for help with the 32V disassembly tips.



Talk with everyone later,

Tom928



On 08/27/2023 11:10 AM, Andre S wrote:

For those who showed up, it was a great pleasure.?

I realize why I fell in love with the 928!

Get
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Andre S <ads78911@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2023 11:06:08 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [PacNW928] Saturday August 26th 928 Meet, Mend & Eat BBQ in Battle Ground WA
?
A big Thank You to our host, Keith Martin in allowing us to gather at his home shop in BG.

For those?


Get
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Keith Martin <keithrmartin@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2023 9:44:41 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [PacNW928] Saturday August 26th 928 Meet, Mend & Eat BBQ in Battle Ground WA
?
YES IT WILL BE HOT!! - Supposed to be 93 in BG today.??
  1. I have some shade.
  2. I have A/C
  3. I can even make 1 or 2 inside (not A/Ced) places to work on cars.??
  4. I have a million coolers - bring ice and H2O or alternate beverages to keep hydrated.??
TEXT ME at number below if any last questions.? I will not see any more emails.??
See everyone soon!??


Regards,

Keith R. Martin

Phone: 503-250-2928
Re: Saturday August 26th 928 Meet, Mend & Eat BBQ in Battle Ground WA

 

I created a folder in the Photo's section (Battle Ground 928 Gathering) and tossed what few photo's I took (and the group shot photo).
Feel free to put your pics in there too..
Tom
Re: Saturday August 26th 928 Meet, Mend & Eat BBQ in Battle Ground WA

 

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Thanks for pic Andre.


Was a good time and it was great to see everyone.? In the pic L to R (Keith's cousin (James?), Keith, Mick, Tom (Portland), me (Tom - midlman), Peter (Bremerton), Ken (porken), Michael (Benno), and Andre (the photographer, so not in this pic).? Also good to see Tom D and his Amazon Green Metallic GTS (also not in the pic).


Glad I was able to swing down, even in the scorching heat.? A/C in the triple black GT still blowing ice cubes (literally LOL, cranked up the fan and it blew out frost :D).? Going to have to adjust that freeze switch a bit.


Thanks again Keith for stepping up to host.?


And thanks to Mick for pushing to get this event to happen...? It takes persistence and devotion to get these events to happen.?


Let's see if we can get some more folks to step up and host something "928" So we all can pop out of our caves and into the 928.?


It's always great to talk 928's all day with like minded folks.


Cheers,

Tom (midlman)



On 8/27/2023 11:10 AM, Andre S wrote:

For those who showed up, it was a great pleasure.?

I realize why I fell in love with the 928!

Get
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Andre S <ads78911@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2023 11:06:08 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [PacNW928] Saturday August 26th 928 Meet, Mend & Eat BBQ in Battle Ground WA
?
A big Thank You to our host, Keith Martin in allowing us to gather at his home shop in BG.

For those?


Get
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Keith Martin <keithrmartin@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2023 9:44:41 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [PacNW928] Saturday August 26th 928 Meet, Mend & Eat BBQ in Battle Ground WA
?
YES IT WILL BE HOT!! - Supposed to be 93 in BG today.??
  1. I have some shade.
  2. I have A/C
  3. I can even make 1 or 2 inside (not A/Ced) places to work on cars.??
  4. I have a million coolers - bring ice and H2O or alternate beverages to keep hydrated.??
TEXT ME at number below if any last questions.? I will not see any more emails.??
See everyone soon!??


Regards,

Keith R. Martin

Phone: 503-250-2928
Re: Saturday August 26th 928 Meet, Mend & Eat BBQ in Battle Ground WA

 

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For those who showed up, it was a great pleasure.?

I realize why I fell in love with the 928!

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Subject: Re: [PacNW928] Saturday August 26th 928 Meet, Mend & Eat BBQ in Battle Ground WA
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A big Thank You to our host, Keith Martin in allowing us to gather at his home shop in BG.

For those?


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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Keith Martin <keithrmartin@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2023 9:44:41 AM
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Subject: Re: [PacNW928] Saturday August 26th 928 Meet, Mend & Eat BBQ in Battle Ground WA
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YES IT WILL BE HOT!! - Supposed to be 93 in BG today.??
  1. I have some shade.
  2. I have A/C
  3. I can even make 1 or 2 inside (not A/Ced) places to work on cars.??
  4. I have a million coolers - bring ice and H2O or alternate beverages to keep hydrated.??
TEXT ME at number below if any last questions.? I will not see any more emails.??
See everyone soon!??


Regards,

Keith R. Martin

Phone: 503-250-2928


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Re: Saturday August 26th 928 Meet, Mend & Eat BBQ in Battle Ground WA

 

开云体育

A big Thank You to our host, Keith Martin in allowing us to gather at his home shop in BG.

For those?


Get

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Keith Martin <keithrmartin@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2023 9:44:41 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [PacNW928] Saturday August 26th 928 Meet, Mend & Eat BBQ in Battle Ground WA
?
YES IT WILL BE HOT!! - Supposed to be 93 in BG today.??
  1. I have some shade.
  2. I have A/C
  3. I can even make 1 or 2 inside (not A/Ced) places to work on cars.??
  4. I have a million coolers - bring ice and H2O or alternate beverages to keep hydrated.??
TEXT ME at number below if any last questions.? I will not see any more emails.??
See everyone soon!??


Regards,

Keith R. Martin

Phone: 503-250-2928
Re: Timing belt adjustments for Pete and Joe

 

Ugh, sorry; not going to be able to make it.

Next time!

-Joe
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