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Re: Nology install OOPS!
Chris Ford
Adam
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Nasty, no all my studs went back in without any issue and I used the same procedure you did so nothing wrong there. I think I would be tempted to take the valve covers off and check for debris too. I feel for you, the simplest tasks ..... You can use the clip on the valve cover nearest the front of the engine to get one wire on but as you suggest there are a number of redundant clips. Keep us informed. Chris -----Original Message-----
From: ADAM BIRNBAUM [mailto:adamb777@...] Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 11:25 PM To: PacNW928@... Subject: [PacNW928] Nology install OOPS! I installed my Nology wires, which was simple enough. I did have something strange happen, twice as a matter of fact, and would like some input. (Chris are you reading this?) First off, the upgraded ground eyelets are the perfect size to ground at the nearest valve cover bolt. The valve cover bolt goes through a rubber grommett, which has a cup washer on it for the head of the bolt to torque against. I looped the ground wires for Nologies in such a manner that they were sandwiched between the bolt head and the cup washer. I grounded two wires to a single valve cover bolt. I screwed down the first valve cover bolt using just a hex key. The bolt turned somewhat freely, and I assumed that the extra space that the ground eyelets were taking up in the bolt shaft were not allowing the valve cover bolt to go deeply enough into the threaded hole. I pushed down as I turned the hex key but still no bite. I pulled the bolt out and it threads were chewed up. I'm somewhat suprised at this. I don't know if I should be relieved in that by deduction if the bolt took the punishment the head threads should still be okay. Never having been one to know when to leave well enough alone, I proceeded with EXTREME caution and tried to bolt down the second set of ground wires, no problem. No problem with the third set either. On the fourth, the bolt cross threaded again. I should note that when the bolts cross threaded, I couldn't feel any resistance, or anything indicating that the bolt was not entering the hole correctly. I'm going to order new valve cover bolts from 928 Int'l tomorrow, and email DR about my experience and see if he has any input. Questions: 1) I would like to run a tap to clean up the threads for the new bolts, sound like a bad idea? 2) For those that have done the install already, did you use the stock wire clips? It appears that the clips that bolt to the valve covers would definitely not be usable as this is where the thick part of the Nology wires rest. The portion of the plug wires that criss cross the front of the engine look like they may take the clips, but it seems that the clips would really be crimping down on the wires. Thanks for any input, -Adam ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Best friends, most artistic, class clown Find 'em here: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: PacNW928-unsubscribe@... |
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Nology install OOPS!
ADAM BIRNBAUM
I installed my Nology wires, which was simple enough. I did have something
strange happen, twice as a matter of fact, and would like some input. (Chris are you reading this?) First off, the upgraded ground eyelets are the perfect size to ground at the nearest valve cover bolt. The valve cover bolt goes through a rubber grommett, which has a cup washer on it for the head of the bolt to torque against. I looped the ground wires for Nologies in such a manner that they were sandwiched between the bolt head and the cup washer. I grounded two wires to a single valve cover bolt. I screwed down the first valve cover bolt using just a hex key. The bolt turned somewhat freely, and I assumed that the extra space that the ground eyelets were taking up in the bolt shaft were not allowing the valve cover bolt to go deeply enough into the threaded hole. I pushed down as I turned the hex key but still no bite. I pulled the bolt out and it threads were chewed up. I'm somewhat suprised at this. I don't know if I should be relieved in that by deduction if the bolt took the punishment the head threads should still be okay. Never having been one to know when to leave well enough alone, I proceeded with EXTREME caution and tried to bolt down the second set of ground wires, no problem. No problem with the third set either. On the fourth, the bolt cross threaded again. I should note that when the bolts cross threaded, I couldn't feel any resistance, or anything indicating that the bolt was not entering the hole correctly. I'm going to order new valve cover bolts from 928 Int'l tomorrow, and email DR about my experience and see if he has any input. Questions: 1) I would like to run a tap to clean up the threads for the new bolts, sound like a bad idea? 2) For those that have done the install already, did you use the stock wire clips? It appears that the clips that bolt to the valve covers would definitely not be usable as this is where the thick part of the Nology wires rest. The portion of the plug wires that criss cross the front of the engine look like they may take the clips, but it seems that the clips would really be crimping down on the wires. Thanks for any input, -Adam |
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Re: Coil Discussions
Ralph S. Smith
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 23:26:51 -0700
From: "Jim & Tina" <nebraska@...> Subject: Re: Re; Coil discussions that they seem to be getting popular. The whole chrysler line uses theOh;insulted again!! that would be old Chevies with the coil in cap thingy Current Chrysler way is coils mounted atop each sparkplug cool huh? Well that shows how much attention I pay to America autos. I do remember seeing the coil in the plug cap somewhere and it is a cool idea, elimiating the distributer is a "giant step for mankind" as it were. Supras (I am familiar with) had 3 coils firing 2 plugs each to eliminate the distributer, very nice. Louis's caution is worth considering, that is why I was wondering if anyone had info on the new coil types. I think I will post the same question to rennlist just to get more opinions, appologies to any that have heard enough about the subject already. Actually I appreciated the discussion, pretty heavy topic for our local list. RSS |
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Temp Control
Yeah,
I finally figured out what was wrong with my heaters temp control. Just in time for summer mind you. I just wanted to take this time to let everyone know that I will be out of town for a week, so if you email me, its not that Im ignoring you, I just dont have my computer with me. I might take along my lap top but probably not. I am looking forward to the drags and seeing everyone again. I think it will be a lot of fun. Its good for me to know that everyone at the dyno day will be spotting me time if we go up against each other. Me having the oldest, slowest shark there. Oh well, at least I will look good losing. Take care Rob Fossett |
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Re: Shark Drag T-shirt graphic
Guys, be prepared ...if you order the Titanium rods (Oliver, from England, I
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think) Over $3K, and they still are not here after being ordered at the end of Feb. Don(don' need no steenkin' stroker to exceed tech speed) Hanson ADAM BIRNBAUM wrote: Sure, what the heck, I'll just take a second mortgage on the house to cover |
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Re: Drag / G-tech
Lloyd Johnson
Yep, I have a G-tech that I haven't used in the 928 yet it worked consistent
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numbers in the Talon; due to how it is measuring it will never be the same as the drag strip but for tuning purposes it is dandy toy. Tom, if you want to borrow this let me know. I also have setup called a GEEZ (I think); its a 3 axis accelorometer. With some software to record how a run around the track looks (braking, cornering, accel, etc). Only problem is that it only records one lap at a time ( it was designed for autocrossers). So, kind of hard to get good use out of it on a 20-30 minute session on a road course. Lloyd ----- Original Message -----
From: "ADAM BIRNBAUM" <adamb777@...> To: <PacNW928@...> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [PacNW928] Drag / G-tech Hey Tom, |
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Re: Shark Drag T-shirt graphic
Lloyd Johnson
Speaking of squeaky brakes, the other day on my way into work at O dark
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thirty; an econo box wanted to play, since no one was around I punched it up. I saw a redlight coming up so I stayed in it to the last second. Applied those great brakes, felt the ABS doing its work and came to a stop on the line. The econo box finally caught up and went flying into the intersection on a red light. Okay, I shouldn't have egged him on but it was funny to see him locked up in the middle of the intersection. cheers ----- Original Message -----
From: "ADAM BIRNBAUM" <adamb777@...> To: <PacNW928@...> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [PacNW928] Shark Drag T-shirt graphic Sounds good Bobby, I'll put you down for a shirt. If your shark is up for a t-belt re-tension, I'd definitely get it handled soon, whether or not you decide to race. A slipped or broken belt can really ruin your day. If I can be pushy for a second, Make the appointment now! :). If you are looking for squeal free brakes, the only cure I know if is to order the Axxis (sp?) pads from 928 Specialists along with the factory vibration dampeners. Just call over there and tell them you want squeal free brakes, and they'll set you up with all the right stuff. If you do get the re-tension done prior to the drags, I hope you will possibly reconsider running with the squeaky brakes. I can understand if you think it will attract a lot of unwanted attention, but at the same time I would hate to see you miss out on the fun. I think we (this group of 928 owners) have all suffered from the squeaky brake syndrome, so it's no big deal to us. We'll all be there to back you up if some turbo'd Toyota or tubbed shoebox driver hassles ya. (Right Guys?) -Adam ----- Original Message ----- From: <Bobarino91@...> To: <PacNW928@...> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [PacNW928] Shark Drag T-shirt graphic Adam,Bobarino would be perfect. i'm not sure if i'll actually race though, dependson weather or not i get my t-belt retensioned in time and the squeakybrakes fixed. i won't race it unless its perfect. but none the less, theshirt would be great, i'll be there with cash in hand for you or if youwant, i can send you a check. take care and thanks for the greeting.------------------------------------------------------------------------ Old school buds here:------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Re: Shark Drag T-shirt graphic
Lloyd Johnson
I kind of like the Stuttgart Air Force with a second on Team 928
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Lloyd ----- Original Message -----
From: "ADAM BIRNBAUM" <adamb777@...> To: <PacNW928@...> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [PacNW928] Shark Drag T-shirt graphic Sure Rob, The team names are as follows: Stuttgart Air Force Stuttgart Luftwaffe Stuttgart Blitzkried Stuttgart Autorennengruppe Stuttgart Rennenautogruppe and for simplicity's sake: Team 928 I'd like to hear some feedback from the Team on what everyone's preference is. The nicknames are as follows : 1) Louie "The Professor" Ott 2) Steve "Slottman" Ott 3) Terry "The Enforcer" Redinger 4) Tom "Midlman" Middleton 5) Rob "Dolby" Fossett 6) Curt "Bitwiz" Nichols 7) Adam "A-bomb" Birnbaum 8) Mark "Hot Plate" Rosenfield 9) Chris "Concorde" Ford 10) Lloyd "The Prophet" Johnson 11) Ray " The Scalpel" Henson 12) Andy "Slam" Pope 13) Nick "Goose" Daffern 14) Phil "Gorilla" Wilson 15) Jim "Dr. Frankenstein" Viglietta 16) Bobby "Bobarino" -Adam ----- Original Message ----- From: <huntnphool@...> To: <PacNW928@...> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [PacNW928] Shark Drag T-shirt graphic Adam,you send it again?.------------------------------------------------------------------------ Was the salesman clueless? Productopia has the answers.------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Re: Shark Drag T-shirt graphic
Curt Nichols
Hey, Tom.
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Family station wagon? That's your 928, right? And now I find out you've got a hot-rod Volvo! And, 0-60 in 6.5s? Did you tear out all the seats? :-) I used to really like Volvo's monster wagons, btw. Just you wait, though: once I get my new wheels bolted on you may just be intimidated right off the road! Or not. I *should* be out at Driver Skills Day trying out my new rubber at this very moment, but somehow my wheels & tires were sent to Iowa last week. Maybe I should have called out once a week (6 or 7 times) to remind them to use my new address. I ordered some other goodies from DR, too, all of which got delayed due to Kinesis' leisurely pace. Including one secret part! Curt -----Original Message-----
From: midlman@... [SMTP:midlman@...] Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 7:22 AM To: PacNW928@... Subject: [PacNW928] Re: Shark Drag T-shirt graphic Hi Curt, Sorry to hear you can't make it. I was planning on bringing my family station wagon down to blow you away, but I guess it will stay home ;-0. (ha ha) Anyway, are you staying in town or moving to (yikes) the eastside?? Later, tom 87S4 P.S. The wagon does really have a chance of giving you a run for the money, (Volvo 850 R conservatively rated at 240 hp at 0 - 60 in 6.5sec and 1/4 mile 14.5..... all without any mods ;-) ) --- In PacNW928@..., Curt Nichols <curt_nichols@a...> wrote: Hey, Adam & all.Drag, with closing on a condo, moving, and having Mom out to visit for a weekall threatening to happen right around that same time. It looks likeboth the drags and the autocross are off my list for the weekend. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Accurate impartial advice on everything from laptops to table saws. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: PacNW928-unsubscribe@... |
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Re: Shark Drag T-shirt graphic
Curt Nichols
Hey, Adam.
The only thing I do need to know is if you still would like to purchase aT-shirt. Yep, put me down for an XL. By the way, what part of town are you going to be living in?I'll be in east Queen Anne / Westlake area, a few blocks from where I live now, but a little closer to Lake Union. Curt |
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Re: Shark Drag T-shirt graphic
ADAM BIRNBAUM
Bobby,
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I need a shirt size from ya. -Adam ----- Original Message -----
From: <Bobarino91@...> To: <PacNW928@...> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [PacNW928] Shark Drag T-shirt graphic Adam,can send you a check. take care and thanks for the greeting. |
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Re; Coil discussions
Ralph S. Smith
Tom, the coil does effectively amplify the voltage, but it is more
complicated and it is really a just converting low voltage energy into high voltage energy. In reality the voltage forces some sizable amount of current through one of the coil windings which creates a magnetic field in the core. The field is stored energy, when the current in the first winding is stopped suddenly the energy in the field has to dissipate, go somewhere, so it creates a HUGE voltage in a second winding which eventually ionizes the gap between the spark plug electrodes, the rest is...well....fun. Louie mentioned the CD ignition approach which is different in that the energy is stored up in a capacitor (hence the name Capacitor Discharge) then dumped suddenly into the coil. It is change in the current flow in a coil (or transformer) that generates voltage in coils. Conservation of energy, voltage, current, joules oh boy I am making my head hurt, anyway. Yes, I think Accel has one although not all of them. Mallory and Fireball seem to be available in all the autoparts places. The look distinctly different and small, not long and round, more boxy. Louie has a point about saturation, I also have forgotten most of the little magnetics I learned in the first place. If the design is correct saturation should be avoidable, although I am not sure if saturation is good or bad in an ignition system. I believe Louie is also correct that choice of coil would depend on the ignition control system. The reason it is attractive is that they seem to be getting popular. The whole chrysler line uses the Ecoil in the distributor cap don't they? I like the E style better and was hoping to use them when the shark needs new coils. RSS |
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Re: Shark Drag T-shirt graphic
ADAM BIRNBAUM
Sounds good Bobby, I'll put you down for a shirt.
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If your shark is up for a t-belt re-tension, I'd definitely get it handled soon, whether or not you decide to race. A slipped or broken belt can really ruin your day. If I can be pushy for a second, Make the appointment now! :). If you are looking for squeal free brakes, the only cure I know if is to order the Axxis (sp?) pads from 928 Specialists along with the factory vibration dampeners. Just call over there and tell them you want squeal free brakes, and they'll set you up with all the right stuff. If you do get the re-tension done prior to the drags, I hope you will possibly reconsider running with the squeaky brakes. I can understand if you think it will attract a lot of unwanted attention, but at the same time I would hate to see you miss out on the fun. I think we (this group of 928 owners) have all suffered from the squeaky brake syndrome, so it's no big deal to us. We'll all be there to back you up if some turbo'd Toyota or tubbed shoebox driver hassles ya. (Right Guys?) -Adam ----- Original Message -----
From: <Bobarino91@...> To: <PacNW928@...> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [PacNW928] Shark Drag T-shirt graphic Adam,can send you a check. take care and thanks for the greeting. |
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Re: Shark Drag T-shirt graphic
ADAM BIRNBAUM
Sure Rob,
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The team names are as follows: Stuttgart Air Force Stuttgart Luftwaffe Stuttgart Blitzkried Stuttgart Autorennengruppe Stuttgart Rennenautogruppe and for simplicity's sake: Team 928 I'd like to hear some feedback from the Team on what everyone's preference is. The nicknames are as follows : 1) Louie "The Professor" Ott 2) Steve "Slottman" Ott 3) Terry "The Enforcer" Redinger 4) Tom "Midlman" Middleton 5) Rob "Dolby" Fossett 6) Curt "Bitwiz" Nichols 7) Adam "A-bomb" Birnbaum 8) Mark "Hot Plate" Rosenfield 9) Chris "Concorde" Ford 10) Lloyd "The Prophet" Johnson 11) Ray " The Scalpel" Henson 12) Andy "Slam" Pope 13) Nick "Goose" Daffern 14) Phil "Gorilla" Wilson 15) Jim "Dr. Frankenstein" Viglietta 16) Bobby "Bobarino" -Adam ----- Original Message -----
From: <huntnphool@...> To: <PacNW928@...> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [PacNW928] Shark Drag T-shirt graphic Adam,send it again?. |
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Re: Shark Drag Update
ADAM BIRNBAUM
Kinda makes ya feel like we're going to be fish in a barrel, or should that
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be sharks in barrel? I guess the bottom line is, regardless of how we fare overall, I have no doubt that we will be having the most fun of anyone there. Bring 'em all on: Blown small blocks, tunnel rammed rat motors, FI'd Keith Black Hemi's, turbo'd Toyota's, nitroused Nissan's, it don't matter. TEAM 928 WILL ROCK THE PLACE! -Adam ----- Original Message -----
From: <redinger@...> To: <PacNW928@...> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [PacNW928] Shark Drag Update Hi tech import vs. American muscle at the drag strip?? Are we feedingon a road course? |
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Re: Shark Drag T-shirt graphic
ADAM BIRNBAUM
Sure, what the heck, I'll just take a second mortgage on the house to cover
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it. Now..., will that be with Mahle or Kolbenschmitt pistons? I'll throw in the GTS baffle just for kicks, too. :) -Adam ----- Original Message -----
From: <redinger@...> To: <PacNW928@...> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [PacNW928] Shark Drag T-shirt graphic Adam, |
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Re: Re; Coil discussions
Hi,
<> I would be just a little careful if you are considering changing to a different coil type. The Bosch ignition books I have read indicate that the ignition systems change the coil charging rate depending on the engine rpm so the spark doesn't fall off at the higher rpms nor use excessive current at lower rpms. To me, this means that the coil is an integral part of the whole ignition system. Change coils and you may end up with a poorer performing, less reliable system than stock. Do some tests with the new style coil and see if they really are better before the originals fail. If you have a dual coil 928, try an E style on one side and compare spark to the other side. The earlier 928s, I believe, would be more tolerant to an aftermarket coil than the later dual coil more sophisticated systems. The 928 ignition system (other than the plug wires) seems to be one of the more reliable electrical parts of the car. Guess that's still not saying much<g>. I'd hate to damage an ignition control module because the (improved) coil was the wrong impedance or something. I don't want to dampen anyone's enthusiasm for improving their car. Think through what your goals are, do research, and weigh all the possibilities. Louie Ott |
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