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I am a Bechtel descendant.
?My great-grandmother was Ora Bechtel (1873-1903) who married Irvin Quigg. ?Ora was dau of Andrew (1832-1896); son of Charles/Carl (1806-1881); son of William (c1781-1854); son of George (1744-1818); son of John George (c1717-1750). ?
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Sharon, I'm very interested in the Klingman(n) family you mention. My Catharine is spelled with a K and other variations.
I'm trying to find Pennsylvania information about the Georg Klingmann and wife Anna Katharine on the ship Samuel landing in Philadelphia in 1732. They had a son Peter on the passenger list, and a son Alexander who is not on the passenger list, evidently because
no? child under 3 years is on the list. He just doesn't show up in anything I find in Pennsylvania, but marries and has a large family in North Carolina. Family lore meshes nicely with the time for the ship's arrival.
I found a Clingman book online, but it has some incorrect information in it, so I don't know if I can rely on anything.??For
example, it says that Hans is not a name, but something to do with the Hanseatic League. That may be true in some German-speaking regions, but not everywhere.?
There is info about a Georg who mentions a wife Catharina
Barbara in his will, and I think Anna Cath. may have died an he married again. My Anna Cath. was born 27 Oct 1700 in Wieblingen, Heidelberg. Her maiden name was Frey. Georg was born about 1690-1699 somewhere in Baden, probably near Heidelberg or Mannheim.?
The book mentions so many men named Peter that it's impossible for me to sort them out. I do know that, of the two Klingmann couples on board, Anna Katharine and
Georg are the parents of Peter and Alexander. The other couple is Yorich and Thoradea (Dorothea) and there is Pennsylvania information about them, sorted out because of her unusual name.?
I'd be happy to correspond about Klingmann's.
Lila Niemann Garner
Mission, Texas
From: PABERKS@groups.io <PABERKS@groups.io> on behalf of Sharon Kleinstuber <Snkgenealogy@...>
Sent: Friday, September 1, 2023 13:11 To: PABERKS@groups.io <PABERKS@groups.io> Subject: [PABERKS] Bechtel Family ?
I am a Bechtel descendant. ?My great-grandmother
was Ora Bechtel (1873-1903) who married Irvin Quigg. ?Ora was dau of Andrew (1832-1896); son of Charles/Carl (1806-1881); son of William (c1781-1854); son of George (1744-1818); son of John George (c1717-1750). ?
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Hi Lila,
This is all the info I have on Anna Maria (Klingman) Bechtel:
Birth - year estimated. ?
First Marriage - ?"John George [Bechtel] remained at home until he was 26 years old when he immigrated to America in 1743. ?He worked for a farmer named Bernard Klingman in what is now Pottsgrove Twp., Montgomery Co., PA. ?After
2 years he married the daughter Mary Anna Klingman." ?Jesse Bechtel's Journals, Book 1; Schwenkfelder Library, Pennsburg, PA. ?Quote provided by Anne Schorle. ?
1848 - Will Abstract - "GEORGE BECHTELL of Amity Township, Philadelphia County; dated 14 Nov 1748; mentioned wife Anna Mary & two children; witnesses: Michael Messenger & Valentine Eams; administration granted 8 Apr 1751, to George
Shettler, who married Anna Maria, late wife of George Bechtell." ?Philadelphia, Administration Book ?F, pg 365. ?
"Publications of The Genealogical Society of Pennsylvania", article titled "Abstracts of Wills Recorded in the Administration Books, Register's Office, Philadelphia"; 1912; Vol V, pg 187. ?
https://books.google.com/books?id=b9UUAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA174&lpg=PA174&dq=%22Abstracts+of+Wills+Recorded+in+the+Administration+Books,+Register%27s+Office,+Philadelphia%22&source=bl&ots=1hpSYu5q-m&sig=ACfU3U3bKMQUh5rsUWEAxqlBZ1AFSlCsLQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi50KOz-dHgAhVph-AKHV5cDU4Q6AEwA3oECAQQAQ#v=onepage&q=%22Abstracts%20of%20Wills%20Recorded%20in%20the%20Administration%20Books%2C%20Register's%20Office%2C%20Philadelphia%22&f=false
?
Second Marriage - "Johan Jurg Schadler (widower) & Anna Maria Bechtelin (wid Jurg.); 7 Aug 1750." ?Augustus Evangelical Lutheran Church - 717 West Main Street, Trappe, PA 19426; 610-489-9625. ?"The Pennsylvania-German Society, Proceedings
& Addresses at Philadelphia, 25 Oct 1896", Vol VII; 1897; pg 484. ?"Marriages & Deaths of Montgomery Co., PA" by Charlotte Meldrum, pg 85. ?
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044020051587;view=1up;seq=584
1751 - Anna Maria Shettler, widow of John George Bechtel, sold the 99 acre Bechtel property in Amity Township to Nicholas Boyer for 150 pounds on 4 Apr 1751; recorded 17 Sep 1759. ?
[Note 1: This is the property that John George Bechtel purchased in 1745 from Henry Acre.]
[Note 2: ?This deed quotes the will of John George Bechtel: "I give full power and right to my loving wife Anna Maria for to sell and dispose of my plantation and to divide the money equally with my two children."]
Philadelphia Deed Book H-11, pg 120-123.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSF1-S38L-1?i=394&cat=227024
1752 - Berks County formed from parts of Chester, Lancaster & Philadelphia Counties. ?
1752 - Amity Twp., Berks Co., PA Taxables - George Shedler. ?Historical and Biographical Annals of Berks County, PA; Volume I. Chapter I, pg 9.
[Note: ?Amity Township was previously located in Philadelphia County.]
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/14571/images/dvm_LocHist000729-00022-1?pId=34
1752 - George Schaedler & wife were baptismal sponsors for Anna Maria Hofmann, d/o Michael & Anna Maria, at New Hanover Lutheran Church on 19 Jul 1752. ?
"A History of the Lutheran Church in New Hanover, Montgomery Co., PA", pg 370.
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/13924/images/dvm_LocHist000881-00199-0?ssrc=&backlabel=Return&pId=376
1758 - Joh. George Schedler & wife were baptismal sponsors for Joh. Christian Moser, s/o Christian & A. Maria at New Hanover Lutheran Church on 16 Apr 1758. ?
"A History of the Lutheran Church in New Hanover, Montgomery Co., PA", pg 414.
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/13924/images/dvm_LocHist000881-00221-0?ssrc=&backlabel=Return&pId=418
1761 - George Schaedler & wife were baptismal sponsors for Eva Hofman, d/o Michael & Anna Maria, at New Hanover Lutheran Church on 22 Nov 1761. ? ?
"A History of the Lutheran Church in New Hanover, Montgomery Co., PA", pg 371.
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/13924/images/dvm_LocHist000881-00199-1?ssrc=&backlabel=Return&pId=377
1766 - Joh. George Schadler & wife were baptismal sponsors for Joh. George Burchert, s/o Simon & Anna Margaret, at New Hanover Lutheran Church on 17 Aug 1766. ?
"A History of the Lutheran Church in New Hanover, Montgomery Co., PA", pg 303.
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/13924/images/dvm_LocHist000881-00165-1?ssrc=&backlabel=Return&pId=311
Douglas Twp., Berks Co., PA Taxes
? ? ?1767 - George Shetler - 270 acres.
? ? ?1768 - George Shetler & Samuel Sands - 200 acres. [George Bechtel was taxed for 70 acres in Douglas Twp.]
? ? ?1779 - Geo. Shalter - 110 aces, 2 horses, 6 cattle.
? ? ?1780 - Geo. Shadler - 110 acres, 2 horses, 4 cattle.
? ? ?1781 - Geo. Shedler - 116 acres, 2 horses, 5 cattle.
Pennsylvania Archives, Third Series, Vol XVIII, pg 62, 122, 218, 349, 477.
[Note: George & Anna Mary were possibly living with Samuel & Catherine Sands after 1781.]
https://www.fold3.com/image/3069989/page-ii-pennsylvania-archives
1770 - George & Mary Schadler (mother & step-father to George Bechtel) sold 270 acres in Douglass Twp., Berks Co. to George Bechtel, yeoman, of Douglass Twp., Berks Co., PA for 10 pounds on 26 Dec 1770; recorded 3 Jan 1771. ?Berks
County Deed Book 6, pg 326-327.
[Note 1: This 270 acres of land was patented to George Sheadler on 18 Sep 1761 by Thomas & Richard Penn per Philadelphia Patent Book AA, Vol 1, pg 512. ? ?
[Note 2: In 1767, George Shetler (George Bechtel's step-father) was taxed in Douglass Twp. with 270 acres. ?In 1768, George Shetler & Samuel Sands (George Bechtel's brother-in-law) were taxed in Douglass Twp. with 200 acres; & George
Bechtel was taxed with 70 acres.] ?
[Note 3: George Bechtel (1744-1818) appears to be taxed for about 70 acres in Berks through 1785.]
[Note 4: This property is mentioned in the 1824 Montgomery County Deed Book 39, pg 541-544. ?It states George (1744-1818) sold the property on 11 Apr 1801 to his son George (1770-1827) & George sold the property on 18 Mar 1824 to
his son George (1795-1864). I have been unable to find the recorded deed for this 1801 sale.] ?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSXB-M95G-1?i=386&cat=244401
Death - after Dec 1770 deed (above) & before 1783, when husband George wrote his will naming wife Catharine Elizabeth.
Will Abstract - Douglas Twp., Berks Co., PA - "George Shadler" - written 24 May 1783, proved 11 Mar 1797. ?Mentioned wife Catharine Elizabeth & children of his brother. ?
[Note 1: ?Apparently wife Anna Maria died prior to May 1783 & George married a third time, to Catharine Elizabeth.]
[Note 2: George Bechtel & Catherine Sense (Sands) were mentioned in the estate accounting.]
No info on the people you mention, sorry.??
Sharon
From: PABERKS@groups.io <PABERKS@groups.io> on behalf of Lila Garner <lilagarner@...>
Sent: Friday, September 1, 2023 3:22 PM To: PABERKS@groups.io <PABERKS@groups.io> Subject: Re: [PABERKS] Bechtel Family ?
Sharon, I'm very interested in the Klingman(n) family you mention. My Catharine is spelled with a K and other variations.
I'm trying to find Pennsylvania information about the Georg Klingmann and wife Anna Katharine on the ship Samuel landing in Philadelphia in 1732. They had a son Peter on the passenger list, and a son Alexander who is not on the passenger list, evidently because
no? child under 3 years is on the list. He just doesn't show up in anything I find in Pennsylvania, but marries and has a large family in North Carolina. Family lore meshes nicely with the time for the ship's arrival.
I found a Clingman book online, but it has some incorrect information in it, so I don't know if I can rely on anything.??For
example, it says that Hans is not a name, but something to do with the Hanseatic League. That may be true in some German-speaking regions, but not everywhere.?
There is info about a Georg who mentions a wife Catharina
Barbara in his will, and I think Anna Cath. may have died an he married again. My Anna Cath. was born 27 Oct 1700 in Wieblingen, Heidelberg. Her maiden name was Frey. Georg was born about 1690-1699 somewhere in Baden, probably near Heidelberg or Mannheim.?
The book mentions so many men named Peter that it's impossible for me to sort them out. I do know that, of the two Klingmann couples on board, Anna Katharine and
Georg are the parents of Peter and Alexander. The other couple is Yorich and Thoradea (Dorothea) and there is Pennsylvania information about them, sorted out because of her unusual name.?
I'd be happy to correspond about Klingmann's.
Lila Niemann Garner
Mission, Texas
From: PABERKS@groups.io <PABERKS@groups.io> on behalf of Sharon Kleinstuber <Snkgenealogy@...>
Sent: Friday, September 1, 2023 13:11 To: PABERKS@groups.io <PABERKS@groups.io> Subject: [PABERKS] Bechtel Family ?
I am a Bechtel descendant.
?My great-grandmother was Ora Bechtel (1873-1903) who married Irvin Quigg. ?Ora was dau of Andrew (1832-1896); son of Charles/Carl (1806-1881); son of William (c1781-1854); son of George (1744-1818); son of John George (c1717-1750). ?
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Dear Sharon,
Thank you for your informative message about Mary Anna/ Anna Maria Klingmann. I have looked through my notes, and I have found? (up to now) no Bernhard Klingmann in Germany. I have a Leonhardt, and the capital B in OGS is so similar to L that I could have misread
that. So far I have been looking for a Johann George that could be the man who married Anna Catharine Frey(in) in Wieblingen, Heidelberg and immigrated in 1732. But I've been unable to find, with certainty, a boy's baptism who can be the man who married Frey.
He has to have a brother Johann Peter. That would be the only way I could possibly prove that he is the son of the correct Johann Georg, mentioned on the marriage record of both Johann Georg Klingmann-Anna Catharina Frey and Johann Peter-Veronika Reich marriages.?
Bernhard would have been born around 1700 or earlier to have an adult daughter in 1745. The Leonhardt/Bernhardt I found married in 1704. I have really scrutinized it and now I think that it is a B because the OGS B has a little extra embellishment, and this
name seems to have that little embellishment. I used to read OGS quite easily, but am very rusty. I thought I was all done with German research, then found Alexander Klingmann in an LDS index.
If Bernhard married in 1704 and had several children, Mary Anna could be among the younger children and an appropriate age to marry in 1745. I wish I could get the Pennsylvania and do some onsite research. I'll be 86 in a couple of weeks and it is out of the
question.?
My companion has had complications from surgery and is in and out of the hospital almost weekly. I hope to get back to serious research when he gets better.
Thanks again,
Lila
From: PABERKS@groups.io <PABERKS@groups.io> on behalf of Sharon Kleinstuber <Snkgenealogy@...>
Sent: Friday, September 1, 2023 19:11 To: PABERKS@groups.io <PABERKS@groups.io> Subject: Re: [PABERKS] Bechtel Family ?
Hi Lila,
This is all the info I have on Anna Maria (Klingman) Bechtel:
Birth - year estimated. ?
First Marriage - ?"John George [Bechtel] remained at home until he was 26 years old when he immigrated to America in 1743. ?He worked for a farmer named Bernard Klingman in what is now Pottsgrove Twp., Montgomery Co., PA. ?After
2 years he married the daughter Mary Anna Klingman." ?Jesse Bechtel's Journals, Book 1; Schwenkfelder Library, Pennsburg, PA. ?Quote provided by Anne Schorle. ?
1848 - Will Abstract - "GEORGE BECHTELL of Amity Township, Philadelphia County; dated 14 Nov 1748; mentioned wife Anna Mary & two children; witnesses: Michael Messenger & Valentine Eams; administration granted 8 Apr 1751, to George
Shettler, who married Anna Maria, late wife of George Bechtell." ?Philadelphia, Administration Book ?F, pg 365. ?
"Publications of The Genealogical Society of Pennsylvania", article titled "Abstracts of Wills Recorded in the Administration Books, Register's Office, Philadelphia"; 1912; Vol V, pg 187. ?
https://books.google.com/books?id=b9UUAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA174&lpg=PA174&dq=%22Abstracts+of+Wills+Recorded+in+the+Administration+Books,+Register%27s+Office,+Philadelphia%22&source=bl&ots=1hpSYu5q-m&sig=ACfU3U3bKMQUh5rsUWEAxqlBZ1AFSlCsLQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi50KOz-dHgAhVph-AKHV5cDU4Q6AEwA3oECAQQAQ#v=onepage&q=%22Abstracts%20of%20Wills%20Recorded%20in%20the%20Administration%20Books%2C%20Register's%20Office%2C%20Philadelphia%22&f=false
?
Second Marriage - "Johan Jurg Schadler (widower) & Anna Maria Bechtelin (wid Jurg.); 7 Aug 1750." ?Augustus Evangelical Lutheran Church - 717 West Main Street, Trappe, PA 19426; 610-489-9625. ?"The Pennsylvania-German Society,
Proceedings & Addresses at Philadelphia, 25 Oct 1896", Vol VII; 1897; pg 484. ?"Marriages & Deaths of Montgomery Co., PA" by Charlotte Meldrum, pg 85. ?
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044020051587;view=1up;seq=584
1751 - Anna Maria Shettler, widow of John George Bechtel, sold the 99 acre Bechtel property in Amity Township to Nicholas Boyer for 150 pounds on 4 Apr 1751; recorded 17 Sep 1759. ?
[Note 1: This is the property that John George Bechtel purchased in 1745 from Henry Acre.]
[Note 2: ?This deed quotes the will of John George Bechtel: "I give full power and right to my loving wife Anna Maria for to sell and dispose of my plantation and to divide the money equally with my two children."]
Philadelphia Deed Book H-11, pg 120-123.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSF1-S38L-1?i=394&cat=227024
1752 - Berks County formed from parts of Chester, Lancaster & Philadelphia Counties. ?
1752 - Amity Twp., Berks Co., PA Taxables - George Shedler. ?Historical and Biographical Annals of Berks County, PA; Volume I. Chapter I, pg 9.
[Note: ?Amity Township was previously located in Philadelphia County.]
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/14571/images/dvm_LocHist000729-00022-1?pId=34
1752 - George Schaedler & wife were baptismal sponsors for Anna Maria Hofmann, d/o Michael & Anna Maria, at New Hanover Lutheran Church on 19 Jul 1752. ?
"A History of the Lutheran Church in New Hanover, Montgomery Co., PA", pg 370.
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/13924/images/dvm_LocHist000881-00199-0?ssrc=&backlabel=Return&pId=376
1758 - Joh. George Schedler & wife were baptismal sponsors for Joh. Christian Moser, s/o Christian & A. Maria at New Hanover Lutheran Church on 16 Apr 1758. ?
"A History of the Lutheran Church in New Hanover, Montgomery Co., PA", pg 414.
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/13924/images/dvm_LocHist000881-00221-0?ssrc=&backlabel=Return&pId=418
1761 - George Schaedler & wife were baptismal sponsors for Eva Hofman, d/o Michael & Anna Maria, at New Hanover Lutheran Church on 22 Nov 1761. ? ?
"A History of the Lutheran Church in New Hanover, Montgomery Co., PA", pg 371.
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/13924/images/dvm_LocHist000881-00199-1?ssrc=&backlabel=Return&pId=377
1766 - Joh. George Schadler & wife were baptismal sponsors for Joh. George Burchert, s/o Simon & Anna Margaret, at New Hanover Lutheran Church on 17 Aug 1766. ?
"A History of the Lutheran Church in New Hanover, Montgomery Co., PA", pg 303.
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/13924/images/dvm_LocHist000881-00165-1?ssrc=&backlabel=Return&pId=311
Douglas Twp., Berks Co., PA Taxes
? ? ?1767 - George Shetler - 270 acres.
? ? ?1768 - George Shetler & Samuel Sands - 200 acres. [George Bechtel was taxed for 70 acres in Douglas Twp.]
? ? ?1779 - Geo. Shalter - 110 aces, 2 horses, 6 cattle.
? ? ?1780 - Geo. Shadler - 110 acres, 2 horses, 4 cattle.
? ? ?1781 - Geo. Shedler - 116 acres, 2 horses, 5 cattle.
Pennsylvania Archives, Third Series, Vol XVIII, pg 62, 122, 218, 349, 477.
[Note: George & Anna Mary were possibly living with Samuel & Catherine Sands after 1781.]
https://www.fold3.com/image/3069989/page-ii-pennsylvania-archives
1770 - George & Mary Schadler (mother & step-father to George Bechtel) sold 270 acres in Douglass Twp., Berks Co. to George Bechtel, yeoman, of Douglass Twp., Berks Co., PA for 10 pounds on 26 Dec 1770; recorded 3 Jan 1771. ?Berks
County Deed Book 6, pg 326-327.
[Note 1: This 270 acres of land was patented to George Sheadler on 18 Sep 1761 by Thomas & Richard Penn per Philadelphia Patent Book AA, Vol 1, pg 512. ? ?
[Note 2: In 1767, George Shetler (George Bechtel's step-father) was taxed in Douglass Twp. with 270 acres. ?In 1768, George Shetler & Samuel Sands (George Bechtel's brother-in-law) were taxed in Douglass Twp. with 200 acres; &
George Bechtel was taxed with 70 acres.] ?
[Note 3: George Bechtel (1744-1818) appears to be taxed for about 70 acres in Berks through 1785.]
[Note 4: This property is mentioned in the 1824 Montgomery County Deed Book 39, pg 541-544. ?It states George (1744-1818) sold the property on 11 Apr 1801 to his son George (1770-1827) & George sold the property on 18 Mar 1824
to his son George (1795-1864). I have been unable to find the recorded deed for this 1801 sale.] ?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSXB-M95G-1?i=386&cat=244401
Death - after Dec 1770 deed (above) & before 1783, when husband George wrote his will naming wife Catharine Elizabeth.
Will Abstract - Douglas Twp., Berks Co., PA - "George Shadler" - written 24 May 1783, proved 11 Mar 1797. ?Mentioned wife Catharine Elizabeth & children of his brother. ?
[Note 1: ?Apparently wife Anna Maria died prior to May 1783 & George married a third time, to Catharine Elizabeth.]
[Note 2: George Bechtel & Catherine Sense (Sands) were mentioned in the estate accounting.]
No info on the people you mention, sorry.??
Sharon
From: PABERKS@groups.io <PABERKS@groups.io> on behalf of Lila Garner <lilagarner@...>
Sent: Friday, September 1, 2023 3:22 PM To: PABERKS@groups.io <PABERKS@groups.io> Subject: Re: [PABERKS] Bechtel Family ?
Sharon, I'm very interested in the Klingman(n) family you mention. My Catharine is spelled with a K and other variations.
I'm trying to find Pennsylvania information about the Georg Klingmann and wife Anna Katharine on the ship Samuel landing in Philadelphia in 1732. They had a son Peter on the passenger list, and a son Alexander who is not on the passenger list, evidently because
no? child under 3 years is on the list. He just doesn't show up in anything I find in Pennsylvania, but marries and has a large family in North Carolina. Family lore meshes nicely with the time for the ship's arrival.
I found a Clingman book online, but it has some incorrect information in it, so I don't know if I can rely on anything.??For
example, it says that Hans is not a name, but something to do with the Hanseatic League. That may be true in some German-speaking regions, but not everywhere.?
There is info about a Georg who mentions a wife Catharina
Barbara in his will, and I think Anna Cath. may have died an he married again. My Anna Cath. was born 27 Oct 1700 in Wieblingen, Heidelberg. Her maiden name was Frey. Georg was born about 1690-1699 somewhere in Baden, probably near Heidelberg or Mannheim.?
The book mentions so many men named Peter that it's impossible for me to sort them out. I do know that, of the two Klingmann couples on board, Anna Katharine and
Georg are the parents of Peter and Alexander. The other couple is Yorich and Thoradea (Dorothea) and there is Pennsylvania information about them, sorted out because of her unusual name.?
I'd be happy to correspond about Klingmann's.
Lila Niemann Garner
Mission, Texas
From: PABERKS@groups.io <PABERKS@groups.io> on behalf of Sharon Kleinstuber <Snkgenealogy@...>
Sent: Friday, September 1, 2023 13:11 To: PABERKS@groups.io <PABERKS@groups.io> Subject: [PABERKS] Bechtel Family ?
I am a Bechtel descendant.
?My great-grandmother was Ora Bechtel (1873-1903) who married Irvin Quigg. ?Ora was dau of Andrew (1832-1896); son of Charles/Carl (1806-1881); son of William (c1781-1854); son of George (1744-1818); son of John George (c1717-1750). ?
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Lila,
Thank you for your info & insight into the Klingman family.? I have done almost no research on them so far.??
I certainly understand your issue concerning travel.? My husband is 70 & recently had a stroke which affected his left side mobility.? And a couple weeks ago, I had knee replacement surgery.? So, neither of us are currently driving anywhere.? ?Luckily, one
of our sons has been driving us where we need to go.??
Happy Labor Day!
Sharon
From: PABERKS@groups.io <PABERKS@groups.io> on behalf of Lila Garner <lilagarner@...>
Sent: Saturday, September 2, 2023 4:34 PM To: PABERKS@groups.io <PABERKS@groups.io> Subject: Re: [PABERKS] Bechtel Family ?
Dear Sharon,
Thank you for your informative message about Mary Anna/ Anna Maria Klingmann. I have looked through my notes, and I have found? (up to now) no Bernhard Klingmann in Germany. I have a Leonhardt, and the capital B in OGS is so similar to L that I could have misread
that. So far I have been looking for a Johann George that could be the man who married Anna Catharine Frey(in) in Wieblingen, Heidelberg and immigrated in 1732. But I've been unable to find, with certainty, a boy's baptism who can be the man who married Frey.
He has to have a brother Johann Peter. That would be the only way I could possibly prove that he is the son of the correct Johann Georg, mentioned on the marriage record of both Johann Georg Klingmann-Anna Catharina Frey and Johann Peter-Veronika Reich marriages.?
Bernhard would have been born around 1700 or earlier to have an adult daughter in 1745. The Leonhardt/Bernhardt I found married in 1704. I have really scrutinized it and now I think that it is a B because the OGS B has a little extra embellishment, and this
name seems to have that little embellishment. I used to read OGS quite easily, but am very rusty. I thought I was all done with German research, then found Alexander Klingmann in an LDS index.
If Bernhard married in 1704 and had several children, Mary Anna could be among the younger children and an appropriate age to marry in 1745. I wish I could get the Pennsylvania and do some onsite research. I'll be 86 in a couple of weeks and it is out of the
question.?
My companion has had complications from surgery and is in and out of the hospital almost weekly. I hope to get back to serious research when he gets better.
Thanks again,
Lila
From: PABERKS@groups.io <PABERKS@groups.io> on behalf of Sharon Kleinstuber <Snkgenealogy@...>
Sent: Friday, September 1, 2023 19:11 To: PABERKS@groups.io <PABERKS@groups.io> Subject: Re: [PABERKS] Bechtel Family ?
Hi Lila,
This is all the info I have on Anna Maria (Klingman) Bechtel:
Birth - year estimated. ?
First Marriage - ?"John George [Bechtel] remained at home until he was 26 years old when he immigrated to America in 1743. ?He worked for a farmer named Bernard Klingman in what is now Pottsgrove Twp., Montgomery Co., PA. ?After
2 years he married the daughter Mary Anna Klingman." ?Jesse Bechtel's Journals, Book 1; Schwenkfelder Library, Pennsburg, PA. ?Quote provided by Anne Schorle. ?
1848 - Will Abstract - "GEORGE BECHTELL of Amity Township, Philadelphia County; dated 14 Nov 1748; mentioned wife Anna Mary & two children; witnesses: Michael Messenger & Valentine Eams; administration granted 8 Apr 1751, to
George Shettler, who married Anna Maria, late wife of George Bechtell." ?Philadelphia, Administration Book ?F, pg 365. ?
"Publications of The Genealogical Society of Pennsylvania", article titled "Abstracts of Wills Recorded in the Administration Books, Register's Office, Philadelphia"; 1912; Vol V, pg 187. ?
https://books.google.com/books?id=b9UUAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA174&lpg=PA174&dq=%22Abstracts+of+Wills+Recorded+in+the+Administration+Books,+Register%27s+Office,+Philadelphia%22&source=bl&ots=1hpSYu5q-m&sig=ACfU3U3bKMQUh5rsUWEAxqlBZ1AFSlCsLQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi50KOz-dHgAhVph-AKHV5cDU4Q6AEwA3oECAQQAQ#v=onepage&q=%22Abstracts%20of%20Wills%20Recorded%20in%20the%20Administration%20Books%2C%20Register's%20Office%2C%20Philadelphia%22&f=false
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Second Marriage - "Johan Jurg Schadler (widower) & Anna Maria Bechtelin (wid Jurg.); 7 Aug 1750." ?Augustus Evangelical Lutheran Church - 717 West Main Street, Trappe, PA 19426; 610-489-9625. ?"The Pennsylvania-German Society,
Proceedings & Addresses at Philadelphia, 25 Oct 1896", Vol VII; 1897; pg 484. ?"Marriages & Deaths of Montgomery Co., PA" by Charlotte Meldrum, pg 85. ?
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044020051587;view=1up;seq=584
1751 - Anna Maria Shettler, widow of John George Bechtel, sold the 99 acre Bechtel property in Amity Township to Nicholas Boyer for 150 pounds on 4 Apr 1751; recorded 17 Sep 1759. ?
[Note 1: This is the property that John George Bechtel purchased in 1745 from Henry Acre.]
[Note 2: ?This deed quotes the will of John George Bechtel: "I give full power and right to my loving wife Anna Maria for to sell and dispose of my plantation and to divide the money equally with my two children."]
Philadelphia Deed Book H-11, pg 120-123.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSF1-S38L-1?i=394&cat=227024
1752 - Berks County formed from parts of Chester, Lancaster & Philadelphia Counties. ?
1752 - Amity Twp., Berks Co., PA Taxables - George Shedler. ?Historical and Biographical Annals of Berks County, PA; Volume I. Chapter I, pg 9.
[Note: ?Amity Township was previously located in Philadelphia County.]
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/14571/images/dvm_LocHist000729-00022-1?pId=34
1752 - George Schaedler & wife were baptismal sponsors for Anna Maria Hofmann, d/o Michael & Anna Maria, at New Hanover Lutheran Church on 19 Jul 1752. ?
"A History of the Lutheran Church in New Hanover, Montgomery Co., PA", pg 370.
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/13924/images/dvm_LocHist000881-00199-0?ssrc=&backlabel=Return&pId=376
1758 - Joh. George Schedler & wife were baptismal sponsors for Joh. Christian Moser, s/o Christian & A. Maria at New Hanover Lutheran Church on 16 Apr 1758. ?
"A History of the Lutheran Church in New Hanover, Montgomery Co., PA", pg 414.
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/13924/images/dvm_LocHist000881-00221-0?ssrc=&backlabel=Return&pId=418
1761 - George Schaedler & wife were baptismal sponsors for Eva Hofman, d/o Michael & Anna Maria, at New Hanover Lutheran Church on 22 Nov 1761. ? ?
"A History of the Lutheran Church in New Hanover, Montgomery Co., PA", pg 371.
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/13924/images/dvm_LocHist000881-00199-1?ssrc=&backlabel=Return&pId=377
1766 - Joh. George Schadler & wife were baptismal sponsors for Joh. George Burchert, s/o Simon & Anna Margaret, at New Hanover Lutheran Church on 17 Aug 1766. ?
"A History of the Lutheran Church in New Hanover, Montgomery Co., PA", pg 303.
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/13924/images/dvm_LocHist000881-00165-1?ssrc=&backlabel=Return&pId=311
Douglas Twp., Berks Co., PA Taxes
? ? ?1767 - George Shetler - 270 acres.
? ? ?1768 - George Shetler & Samuel Sands - 200 acres. [George Bechtel was taxed for 70 acres in Douglas Twp.]
? ? ?1779 - Geo. Shalter - 110 aces, 2 horses, 6 cattle.
? ? ?1780 - Geo. Shadler - 110 acres, 2 horses, 4 cattle.
? ? ?1781 - Geo. Shedler - 116 acres, 2 horses, 5 cattle.
Pennsylvania Archives, Third Series, Vol XVIII, pg 62, 122, 218, 349, 477.
[Note: George & Anna Mary were possibly living with Samuel & Catherine Sands after 1781.]
https://www.fold3.com/image/3069989/page-ii-pennsylvania-archives
1770 - George & Mary Schadler (mother & step-father to George Bechtel) sold 270 acres in Douglass Twp., Berks Co. to George Bechtel, yeoman, of Douglass Twp., Berks Co., PA for 10 pounds on 26 Dec 1770; recorded 3 Jan 1771. ?Berks
County Deed Book 6, pg 326-327.
[Note 1: This 270 acres of land was patented to George Sheadler on 18 Sep 1761 by Thomas & Richard Penn per Philadelphia Patent Book AA, Vol 1, pg 512. ? ?
[Note 2: In 1767, George Shetler (George Bechtel's step-father) was taxed in Douglass Twp. with 270 acres. ?In 1768, George Shetler & Samuel Sands (George Bechtel's brother-in-law) were taxed in Douglass Twp. with 200 acres;
& George Bechtel was taxed with 70 acres.] ?
[Note 3: George Bechtel (1744-1818) appears to be taxed for about 70 acres in Berks through 1785.]
[Note 4: This property is mentioned in the 1824 Montgomery County Deed Book 39, pg 541-544. ?It states George (1744-1818) sold the property on 11 Apr 1801 to his son George (1770-1827) & George sold the property on 18 Mar 1824
to his son George (1795-1864). I have been unable to find the recorded deed for this 1801 sale.] ?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSXB-M95G-1?i=386&cat=244401
Death - after Dec 1770 deed (above) & before 1783, when husband George wrote his will naming wife Catharine Elizabeth.
Will Abstract - Douglas Twp., Berks Co., PA - "George Shadler" - written 24 May 1783, proved 11 Mar 1797. ?Mentioned wife Catharine Elizabeth & children of his brother. ?
[Note 1: ?Apparently wife Anna Maria died prior to May 1783 & George married a third time, to Catharine Elizabeth.]
[Note 2: George Bechtel & Catherine Sense (Sands) were mentioned in the estate accounting.]
No info on the people you mention, sorry.??
Sharon
From: PABERKS@groups.io <PABERKS@groups.io> on behalf of Lila Garner <lilagarner@...>
Sent: Friday, September 1, 2023 3:22 PM To: PABERKS@groups.io <PABERKS@groups.io> Subject: Re: [PABERKS] Bechtel Family ?
Sharon, I'm very interested in the Klingman(n) family you mention. My Catharine is spelled with a K and other variations.
I'm trying to find Pennsylvania information about the Georg Klingmann and wife Anna Katharine on the ship Samuel landing in Philadelphia in 1732. They had a son Peter on the passenger list, and a son Alexander who is not on the passenger list, evidently because
no? child under 3 years is on the list. He just doesn't show up in anything I find in Pennsylvania, but marries and has a large family in North Carolina. Family lore meshes nicely with the time for the ship's arrival.
I found a Clingman book online, but it has some incorrect information in it, so I don't know if I can rely on anything.??For
example, it says that Hans is not a name, but something to do with the Hanseatic League. That may be true in some German-speaking regions, but not everywhere.?
There is info about a Georg who mentions a wife Catharina
Barbara in his will, and I think Anna Cath. may have died an he married again. My Anna Cath. was born 27 Oct 1700 in Wieblingen, Heidelberg. Her maiden name was Frey. Georg was born about 1690-1699 somewhere in Baden, probably near Heidelberg or Mannheim.?
The book mentions so many men named Peter that it's impossible for me to sort them out. I do know that, of the two Klingmann couples on board, Anna Katharine and
Georg are the parents of Peter and Alexander. The other couple is Yorich and Thoradea (Dorothea) and there is Pennsylvania information about them, sorted out because of her unusual name.?
I'd be happy to correspond about Klingmann's.
Lila Niemann Garner
Mission, Texas
From: PABERKS@groups.io <PABERKS@groups.io> on behalf of Sharon Kleinstuber <Snkgenealogy@...>
Sent: Friday, September 1, 2023 13:11 To: PABERKS@groups.io <PABERKS@groups.io> Subject: [PABERKS] Bechtel Family ?
I am a Bechtel descendant.
?My great-grandmother was Ora Bechtel (1873-1903) who married Irvin Quigg. ?Ora was dau of Andrew (1832-1896); son of Charles/Carl (1806-1881); son of William (c1781-1854); son of George (1744-1818); son of John George (c1717-1750). ?
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