Might I also suggest that you check "Indentured Servant" lists. I know there are several publications out there that list persons who are considered indentured for the time period you mentioned.
Donna
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Thank you for that suggestion! I'm sorry I didn't reply earlier—your message went into my Junk file. When I ger my new computer (soon) I will try to figure out how to see all emails and have no Junk folder.
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Peggy Mayfield <peglog@...>
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2024 19:11
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [PABERKS] Apprentice contracts
Occasionally apprentice agreements can be found in the pension records of either of their pension records if they found in the Rev. War and lived long enough to earn a pension. These can be found in FOLD 3 which through many public libraries is free.
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan C Pentico via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2024 4:17 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [PABERKS] Apprentice contracts
Greetings
Reading the notice made me wonder do you. Belong to the Berks co. Genealogical Group or PA group for assistance. Did you google to find data or go library to find what their library might have. Some of your names are in my treee but since tree was damaged I can not remember how . I have in that area. FOLK. FOULK BLESSING BLESSINGER GORMAN . I DID BELONG TO ONE IN BUCKS BUT WAS HACKED SO NO IDEA HOW THINGS ARE NOW?
JUsT getting back into research hoping with out another hack.
Susi Pentico.
On Nov 9, 2024, at 4:03 AM, keith nuttle via groups.io <keith_nuttle@...<mailto:keith_nuttle@...>> wrote:
I don't know if any exist, but in my experience many people apprentice with out formal contacts. The only way I have found to reliably know of these contracts, is the newspaper where ads were placed with the apprentice left without fulfilling the contract.
Northwest Ordinance: "Religion, morality and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged" approved by US CONGRESS July 13,1787 of which 41 member helped write the Constitution which was approved September 17, 1787
On 11/08/2024 9:16 PM, Lila Garner via groups.io<> wrote:
Dear Listers,
I have a hunch that my Alexander Klingmann, probably residing in Berks about 1745-1752, may have been apprenticed to Johannes Ehrenhardt in Bucks.
Are any apprentice contracts or agreements ever found in Pennsylvania? (I found one I was looking for in North Carolina.)
I can't find a group.io<> for Bucks genealogy.
Any ideas?
Thanks in advance.
Lila
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Thank you for that suggestion! I'm sorry I didn't reply earlier—your message went into my Junk file. When I ger my new computer (soon) I will try to figure out how to see all emails and have no Junk folder.?
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to earn a pension. ?These can be found in FOLD 3 which through many public libraries is free.?
?
?
Greetings?
Reading the notice made me wonder do you. Belong to the Berks co. Genealogical Group or PA group for assistance. ?Did you google to find data or go library to find what their library might have. ? Some of your names are in my treee but
since tree was damaged I can not remember how . ?I have in that area. FOLK. FOULK BLESSING BLESSINGER ?GORMAN ? . I DID BELONG TO ONE IN BUCKS BUT WAS HACKED SO NO IDEA HOW THINGS ARE NOW?
JUsT getting back into research hoping with out another hack.
Susi Pentico. ?
On Nov 9, 2024, at 4:03 AM, keith nuttle via groups.io <keith_nuttle@...> wrote:
?
I don't know if any exist, but in my experience many people apprentice with out formal contacts.?? The only way I have found to reliably know of these contracts, is the newspaper where ads were placed with
the apprentice left without fulfilling the contract.?
Northwest Ordinance: "Religion,?morality
and knowledge,?being necessary to good government?and
the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education?shall forever be encouraged"?approved
by US CONGRESS July 13,1787 of which 41 member helped write the Constitution which was approved September 17, 1787
?
On 11/08/2024 9:16 PM, Lila Garner via??wrote:
I have a hunch that my Alexander Klingmann, probably residing in Berks about 1745-1752, may have been apprenticed to Johannes Ehrenhardt in Bucks.?
Are any apprentice contracts or agreements ever found in Pennsylvania? (I found one I was looking for in North Carolina.)?
I can't find a??for
Bucks genealogy.
?
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Thank you for writing. I’m pretty sure, if my guy contracted he kept his word because he seems to have married the master’s daughter.?
A professional genealogist searched in Pennsylvania and found nothing, but at the time he was working we didn’t know the parents’ names or the ship and arrival date. New information changes the picture.?
On Nov 9, 2024, at 6:04?AM, keith nuttle via groups.io <keith_nuttle@...> wrote:
?
I don't know if any exist, but in my experience many people apprentice with out formal contacts.?? The only way I have found to reliably know of these contracts, is the newspaper where ads were placed with
the apprentice left without fulfilling the contract.
Northwest Ordinance: "Religion, morality and knowledge,
being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education
shall forever be encouraged" approved by US CONGRESS July 13,1787 of which 41 member helped write the Constitution which was approved September 17, 1787
On 11/08/2024 9:16 PM, Lila Garner via groups.io wrote:
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Dear Listers,
I have a hunch that my Alexander Klingmann, probably residing in Berks about 1745-1752, may have been apprenticed to Johannes Ehrenhardt in Bucks.?
Are any apprentice contracts or agreements ever found in Pennsylvania? (I found one I was looking for in North Carolina.)?
I can't find a group.io for Bucks genealogy.
Any ideas?
Thanks in advance.
Lila
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Thank you for suggestions! ?I will google Bucks County!
On Nov 9, 2024, at 4:17?PM, Susan C Pentico via groups.io <SusiCP1@...> wrote:
? Greetings?
Reading the notice made me wonder do you. Belong to the Berks co. Genealogical Group or PA group for assistance. ?Did you google to find data or go library to find what their library might have. ? Some of your names are in my treee but since tree was damaged
I can not remember how . ?I have in that area. FOLK. FOULK BLESSING BLESSINGER ?GORMAN ? . I DID BELONG TO ONE IN BUCKS BUT WAS HACKED SO NO IDEA HOW THINGS ARE NOW?
JUsT getting back into research hoping with out another hack.
Susi Pentico. ?
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On Nov 9, 2024, at 4:03 AM, keith nuttle via groups.io <keith_nuttle@...> wrote:
I don't know if any exist, but in my experience many people apprentice with out formal contacts.?? The only way I have found to reliably know of these contracts, is the newspaper where ads were placed with
the apprentice left without fulfilling the contract.?
Northwest Ordinance: "Religion,?morality and knowledge,?being
necessary to good government?and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education?shall
forever be encouraged"?approved by US CONGRESS July 13,1787 of which 41 member helped write the Constitution which was approved September 17, 1787
On 11/08/2024 9:16 PM, Lila Garner via??wrote:
Dear Listers,
I have a hunch that my Alexander Klingmann, probably residing in Berks about 1745-1752, may have been apprenticed to Johannes Ehrenhardt in Bucks.?
Are any apprentice contracts or agreements ever found in Pennsylvania? (I found one I was looking for in North Carolina.)?
I can't find a??for
Bucks genealogy.
Any ideas?
Thanks in advance.
Lila
|
Occasionally apprentice agreements can be found in the pension records of either of their pension records if they found in the Rev. War and lived long enough to earn a pension. ?These can be found in FOLD 3 which through many public libraries is free.? ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan C Pentico via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2024 4:17 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [PABERKS] Apprentice contracts? Greetings? Reading the notice made me wonder do you. Belong to the Berks co. Genealogical Group or PA group for assistance. ?Did you google to find data or go library to find what their library might have. ? Some of your names are in my treee but since tree was damaged I can not remember how . ?I have in that area. FOLK. FOULK BLESSING BLESSINGER ?GORMAN ? . I DID BELONG TO ONE IN BUCKS BUT WAS HACKED SO NO IDEA HOW THINGS ARE NOW? JUsT getting back into research hoping with out another hack. Susi Pentico. ?
On Nov 9, 2024, at 4:03 AM, keith nuttle via groups.io <keith_nuttle@...> wrote: ? I don't know if any exist, but in my experience many people apprentice with out formal contacts.?? The only way I have found to reliably know of these contracts, is the newspaper where ads were placed with the apprentice left without fulfilling the contract.? Northwest Ordinance: "Religion,?morality and knowledge,?being necessary to good government?and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education?shall forever be encouraged"?approved by US CONGRESS July 13,1787 of which 41 member helped write the Constitution which was approved September 17, 1787 ? On 11/08/2024 9:16 PM, Lila Garner via??wrote: I have a hunch that my Alexander Klingmann, probably residing in Berks about 1745-1752, may have been apprenticed to Johannes Ehrenhardt in Bucks.? Are any apprentice contracts or agreements ever found in Pennsylvania? (I found one I was looking for in North Carolina.)? I can't find a??for Bucks genealogy.
?
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Greetings?
Reading the notice made me wonder do you. Belong to the Berks co. Genealogical Group or PA group for assistance. ?Did you google to find data or go library to find what their library might have. ? Some of your names are in my treee but since tree was damaged I can not remember how . ?I have in that area. FOLK. FOULK BLESSING BLESSINGER ?GORMAN ? . I DID BELONG TO ONE IN BUCKS BUT WAS HACKED SO NO IDEA HOW THINGS ARE NOW?
JUsT getting back into research hoping with out another hack.
Susi Pentico. ?
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On Nov 9, 2024, at 4:03 AM, keith nuttle via groups.io <keith_nuttle@...> wrote:
I don't know if any exist, but in my experience many people apprentice with out formal contacts.?? The only way I have found to reliably know of these contracts, is the newspaper where ads were placed with the apprentice left without fulfilling the contract.?
Northwest Ordinance: "Religion,?morality and knowledge,?being necessary to good government?and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education?shall forever be encouraged"?approved by US CONGRESS July 13,1787 of which 41 member helped write the Constitution which was approved September 17, 1787 On 11/08/2024 9:16 PM, Lila Garner via??wrote:
Dear Listers,
I have a hunch that my Alexander Klingmann, probably residing in Berks about 1745-1752, may have been apprenticed to Johannes Ehrenhardt in Bucks.?
Are any apprentice contracts or agreements ever found in Pennsylvania? (I found one I was looking for in North Carolina.)?
I can't find a??for Bucks genealogy.
Any ideas?
Thanks in advance.
Lila
|
I don't know
if any exist, but in my experience many people apprentice with
out formal contacts.?? The only way I have found to reliably
know of these contracts, is the newspaper where ads were placed
with the apprentice left without fulfilling the contract.
Northwest Ordinance: "Religion, morality and knowledge, being
necessary to good
government and the happiness of mankind,
schools and the means of education shall
forever be encouraged" approved by US CONGRESS July
13,1787 of which 41
member helped write the Constitution which was approved
September 17, 1787
On 11/08/2024 9:16 PM, Lila Garner via
groups.io wrote:
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Dear Listers,
I have a hunch that my Alexander Klingmann, probably residing in
Berks about 1745-1752, may have been apprenticed to Johannes
Ehrenhardt in Bucks.?
Are any apprentice contracts or agreements ever found in
Pennsylvania? (I found one I was looking for in North
Carolina.)?
I can't find a group.io for Bucks genealogy.
Any ideas?
Thanks in advance.
Lila
|
Dear Listers,
I have a hunch that my Alexander Klingmann, probably residing in Berks about 1745-1752, may have been apprenticed to Johannes Ehrenhardt in Bucks.?
Are any apprentice contracts or agreements ever found in Pennsylvania? (I found one I was looking for in North Carolina.)?
I can't find a group.io for Bucks genealogy.
Any ideas?
Thanks in advance.
Lila
|
Re: HEITZ Family Photograph
Shelly,
Thanks for thinking of me, but I do not know how either of these Heitz fit into my line. ?I have two Heitz: Laurence and his daughter Alexa who was probably born around 1975, as she was married in 1996.
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On Oct 1, 2024, at 1:12?PM, Shelley Cardiel <shelleyrcardiel@...> wrote:
I
have an old photograph of Charlie & Lizzie HEITZ which was taken at the New
York Gallery in Reading, PA. Lizzie is identified as "Aunt Lizzie".
Ordering information is also written on the back including hair and eye colors
as if an additional version on the photograph was being ordered by "Mrs.
HEITZ of Reamstown". Based on limited research I was able to gather the
following information regarding this couple: ? Charles
“Charlie” C. HEITZ was b. 27 May 1868 in Brecknock, PA or Germany to parents
Frederick or Friederich Gottlieb HEITZ or HALZ (1840-1909) and Louisa GROTZ (1838-1904).? Charlie was one of three children born to
this couple including siblings Frederick HEITZ (b. 1873) and Anna Barbara HEITZ
WITWER (1880-1942).? Charlie married Elizabeth
“Lizzie” Horning FREDERICK (1868-1904) on 7 Dec 1889 in Lancaster, PA and they
had four children including Nora Frederick HEITZ (1891-1918); Harry Frederick
HEITZ (1893-1902); Annie Laura HEITZ (1896-1972); and Bertha HEITZ FREESE
(1899-1939).? ? Charlie
died 14 Jan 1929 in West Reading or Reamstown, PA and is buried in the Muddy
Creek Cemetery in Denver, PA. ? Lizzie
Horning FREDERICK was b. 12 Sept 1868 in East Cocalico Township, PA to parents
Daniel Benjamin FREDERICK or FREDERICH (1830-1893) and Sarah “Sallie” HORNING
(1843-1918).? Lizzie was one of 13
children born to this couple including Emaline “Emma” Horning; Nathaniel; Franklin
“Frank” Horning; Adam H.; Elizabeth “Lizzie” Horning; Annie O.; Benjamin H.;
Jacob H.; Martin Horning; Daniel; Maggie; Samuel H.; and Sallie Horning or
Hastings FREDERICK, between 1862 and 1883.? Lizzie died 2 Jan 1904 in Denver, PA and is
buried in the Muddy Creek Cemetery in Denver, PA. ? I
am hoping to get the photograph to family and would appreciate you contacting
me if you are a member of this family or know someone who might be. ? Thanks, Shelley
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I
have an old photograph of Charlie & Lizzie HEITZ which was taken at the New
York Gallery in Reading, PA. Lizzie is identified as "Aunt Lizzie".
Ordering information is also written on the back including hair and eye colors
as if an additional version on the photograph was being ordered by "Mrs.
HEITZ of Reamstown". Based on limited research I was able to gather the
following information regarding this couple:
?
Charles
“Charlie” C. HEITZ was b. 27 May 1868 in Brecknock, PA or Germany to parents
Frederick or Friederich Gottlieb HEITZ or HALZ (1840-1909) and Louisa GROTZ (1838-1904).? Charlie was one of three children born to
this couple including siblings Frederick HEITZ (b. 1873) and Anna Barbara HEITZ
WITWER (1880-1942).? Charlie married Elizabeth
“Lizzie” Horning FREDERICK (1868-1904) on 7 Dec 1889 in Lancaster, PA and they
had four children including Nora Frederick HEITZ (1891-1918); Harry Frederick
HEITZ (1893-1902); Annie Laura HEITZ (1896-1972); and Bertha HEITZ FREESE
(1899-1939).?
?
Charlie
died 14 Jan 1929 in West Reading or Reamstown, PA and is buried in the Muddy
Creek Cemetery in Denver, PA.
?
Lizzie
Horning FREDERICK was b. 12 Sept 1868 in East Cocalico Township, PA to parents
Daniel Benjamin FREDERICK or FREDERICH (1830-1893) and Sarah “Sallie” HORNING
(1843-1918).? Lizzie was one of 13
children born to this couple including Emaline “Emma” Horning; Nathaniel; Franklin
“Frank” Horning; Adam H.; Elizabeth “Lizzie” Horning; Annie O.; Benjamin H.;
Jacob H.; Martin Horning; Daniel; Maggie; Samuel H.; and Sallie Horning or
Hastings FREDERICK, between 1862 and 1883.? Lizzie died 2 Jan 1904 in Denver, PA and is
buried in the Muddy Creek Cemetery in Denver, PA.
?
I
am hoping to get the photograph to family and would appreciate you contacting
me if you are a member of this family or know someone who might be.
?
Thanks,
Shelley
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RIDER or REIDER - STRAUSS - LEONARD Family Photograph
I
have an old studio photograph identified as Anna RIDER which was taken at the
F. A. Trader Studio in Emporia, KS sometime in the 1880's. Anna appears to be
in her teens at the time the photograph was taken. I believe that this is a
photograph of Anna REIDER. Based on limited research I was able to gather the
following information regarding Anna and her family:
?
Anna
“Annie” Strauss REIDER was b. 1866 in Pine Grove, PA to parents Israel
Schlockerman REIDER (1835-1909) and Sarah Anna STRAUSS (1837-1872).? Annie was one of 7 children born to this
couple including Larius or Lareius Strauss; Nathaniel Strauss; Francis Strauss;
James Strauss; Annie; William Strauss; and George Strauss REIDER, all born
between 1859 and 1871.?
?
After
her mother died her father married Harriet LEONARD (b. 1847) and two additional
children were born including Robert Lee Leonard REIDER (1876-1954) and Mabel
Louise or Leonard REIDER (1883-1964).? Harriet
had a daughter Mamie (b. 1866) by a previous marriage who also used the surname
REIDER after her mother married Israel. Annie died in Kansas in 1958.
?
I
am hoping to get this photograph to family and would appreciate you contacting
me if you are a member of this family or know someone who might be.
?
Thanks,
Shelley
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SHERMAN - YODER Family Photograph
I have an old studio photograph identified as "Jessie SHERMAN'S Family". The photograph is of three children infant to about 3 years, the oldest a boy and then what appears to be two girls. The photograph was taken at the Lewis Studio in Clarion, PA likely in the early 1890's. I believe that this is a photograph of William, Mabelle, and Lettie SHERMAN who were the three oldest children of Jesse Edward SHERMAN and Mary Jane KINLEY SHERMAN. ? Based on limited research I was able to gather the following information regarding this family: ? William Harrison SHERMAN was b. 4 Dec 1889 in Strattanville, PA to parents Josiah “Jesse” or “Jessie” Franklin Edward SHERMAN (1866-1912) and Mary Jane KINLEY (1866-1960) who were married 5 Mar 1889 in Clarion Township, Clarion Co., PA.? William was one of 8 children born to this couple including William Harrison; Mabelle or Mable Orpha; Lettie or Letty or Lettice Christina; Samuel Jack Winfield; Jay Beach; Elda or Eldia or Eldie Mae; Inza or Iona Irene; and Homer Lawrence SHERMAN, all born between 1889 and 1910. ? William married Christine STEWART (1889-1970) on 17 Sept 1914 in South Fort George, BC, Canada or Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, and they had three children including Stewart Homer SHERMAN b. 1915; and William Edward “Fred” SHERMAN b. 1918; and June Catherine SHERMAN b. 1923.? William died 1 Apr 1965 and is buried in the Westlawn Memorial Gardens in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. ? Mabelle Orpha SHERMAN was b. 11 Jun 1891 in Strattanville, PA to the same parents.? Mabelle married Richard Joseph LANCE (1895-1977) on 24 Dec 1925 in Ridgway, PA and they adopted both of her sister Elda’s daughters.? Mabelle died 4 Jul 1979 in Ridgway, PA and is buried in the Oakmont Cemetery in Ridgway, PA. ? Lettie Christina SHERMAN was b. 2 Nov 1892 in Strattanville, PA to the same parents.? Lettie married twice, first to Homer Audley SMITH 31 Dec 1912 in Olean, NY and they had three children including Marjorie Leora; Emma Jane; and David Edward SMITH, all born between 1914 and 1925.? Her second marriage was to Frank Hayes LERCH (1877-1967) on 20 Oct 1943 in Sligo, PA.? Lettie died 11 Dec 1987 in Lake Elsinore, CA and is buried in the Forest Lawn Memorial Park Cemetery in Covina, CA. ? Their father Jesse Edward SHERMAN was b. 5 May 1866 in Shannondale, PA to parents Edward C. SHERMAN (1832-1912) and Christina YODER (1831-1911) who were married in Schuylkill County, PA about 1855.? Jesse was one of 6 children born to this couple including Solomon John Simon; William Wallace; Jesse Edward; Sara Catharine; Pearl Lettie Meyers (adopted); and Helen SHERMAN, all born between 1859 and 1886.? He married Mary Jane KINLEY on 5 Mar 1889.? ?Jesse died 2 Aug 1912 in Olean, NY and is buried in the Chestnut Hill Cemetery in Portville, NY. ? I am hoping to get this precious old photograph to a family member and would appreciate you contacting me if you are a member of this family or know someone who might be. ? Thanks, Shelley
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I
have an old studio photograph of Mr. & Mrs. Thomas ENCK which was taken at
the New York Gallery Studio in Reading, PA sometime in the 1880's. The couple
appears to be in their 30's or 40's at the time the photograph was taken. Based
on limited research I was able to gather the following information regarding
the couple and their families:
?
Sarah
Ann DITZLER was b. 24 Oct 1850 in Lancaster County, PA to parents Henrich or
Henrietta “Henry” DITZLER (1825-1872) and Lydia WOLF (1833-1852).? Sarah had only two full siblings, a brother
Israel W. DITZLER (1851-1935); and a sister Henrietta DITZLER (b. 1849).? After her mother died her father married
Elizabeth “Betsy” WOLF (1834-1898) and they had 10 more children including
Amanda; Jeremia or Jeremiah; Henry; Samuel Wolf; William Wesley; Kate W.; John
L.; Francis Wolf; Benneville or Bennevel W.; and Elizabeth “Lizzie” W. DITZLER,
all born between 1854 and 1871.
?
Sarah
married Thomas K. ENCK (1850-1939) in 1872 and they had three children including
Susan K; Nathan Ditzler; and Isabella D. ENCK, all born between 1874 and
1878.? Sarah died 22 Aug 1929 in Upper
Leacock, PA and she is buried in the Saint Johns Lutheran Cemetery in
Brickerville, PA.
?
Thomas
K. ENCK was b. 6 Jul 1850 in Lancaster County, PA to parents Elias Wolf ENCK
(1813-1897) and Mary Ann CALLIHAN or KERCHNER or KALIGAN or KALLIHAN (1829-1894).? Thomas was one of 8 children born to this
couple including Maria; Henry K.; Thomas K.; George K; Samuel K.; Elias K.;
Catharine; and Wayne Callihan or Calihan ENCK, all born between 1843 and 1873.? Thomas died 1 May 1939 in Lancaster County,
PA.
?
I
would like to see the photograph returned to a family member and would
appreciate you contacting me if you are a member of this family or know someone
who might be.
?
Thanks,
Shelley
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BIENEMAN Family Photograph
I
have an old studio photograph of Charles BIENEMAN which was taken at the
Billinger & Bro. Studio in Shenandoah, PA in the 1890's.? Charles appears to be in his teens or 20's at
the time the photograph was taken.? Based
on limited research I was able to gather the following information regarding
Charles and his family:
?
Charles
“Charlie” Frederich or Frederick BIENEMAN or BEINEMAN or BINNEMAN or BIENAN or
BIENEMANN was b. 10 May 1871 in Alsace-Lorraine, Germany to parents Jean Charles
BIENEMAN (1844-1915) and Catherine or Katherine MEHL (b. 1843).? Charles was one of 5 children born to this
couple including Charles Frederich; John; Anna M.; William Henry; and Ellen A.
BIENEMAN.? Charles married Martha “MAGGIE”
BEES (1873-1958) on 2 Jul 1896, and they had four children including John Bees;
Ruth Amelia; Hilda Mae; and Margaret Anna BIENEMAN, all born between 1900 and
1908.
?
Charles
worked for the Bethlehem Steel Company until he retired in 1938.? Charles died 2 May 1955 in Bethlehem or
Fountain Hill, PA and he is buried in the Mausoleum Memorial Park in Bethlehem,
PA.? His obituary lists his surviving
family including his wife, Martha; daughters Hilda VAN BILLIARD of Evanston,
IL; and Margaret LAUBACH of Bethlehem, PA; and a sister Mrs. Elmer BROWN of
Weatherly, PA.
?
I’d
like to locate someone from the family so that his photograph can be placed in
their care.? If you are a member of this
family or know someone who might be, please contact me.
?
Thanks,
Shelley
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Re: John George Bechtel - immigration
Do you get any indication of age on either of the passenger lists, Robert and Alice or William?? There are Johann Georg Bechtel's to be found on familysearch.org, some born in Baden and some born in Bavaria. One family is in Mannheim, the home town of my Klingmann
family. Maybe one of the births would line up with one of the passenger-list ages...we can hope!! My Klingmann immigrants only had two children. Alexander's baptismal sponsor was Alexander somebody, can't really read, and the other was the father Georg's brother.
Might be worth a look to see if a Bechtel sponsored any of the brother, Johann Peter's seven children. They were born between 1732 and1737 in Mannheim.?
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Sharon Kleinstuber <Snkgenealogy@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2023 16:50
Subject: [PABERKS] John George Bechtel - immigration
?
John George Bechtel (c1715 - c1750) is my immigrant
ancestor.? born in Germany.? In Hanover Twp. in 1745.??
Most bios & trees report that he immigrated in 1743
on ship Robert & Alice. ?I suspect he immigrated in 1737 on ship William. ?First records I have found for him are in 1745: 1) purchase of property in Amity Twp.; 2) baptism of daughter at New Hanover Lutheran Church.
Anyone have a record(s) for John George, prior to 1745? ?Or know where
to look for any record?
Sharon
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John George Bechtel - immigration
John George Bechtel (c1715 - c1750) is my
immigrant ancestor.? born in Germany.? In Hanover Twp. in 1745.??
Most bios & trees report that he immigrated
in 1743 on ship Robert & Alice. ?I suspect he immigrated in 1737 on ship William. ?First records I have found for him are in 1745: 1) purchase of property in Amity Twp.; 2) baptism of daughter at New Hanover Lutheran Church.
Anyone have a record(s) for John George, prior to 1745? ?Or
know where to look for any record?
Sharon
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Lila,
Thank you for your info & insight into the Klingman family.? I have done almost no research on them so far.??
I certainly understand your issue concerning travel.? My husband is 70 & recently had a stroke which affected his left side mobility.? And a couple weeks ago, I had knee replacement surgery.? So, neither of us are currently driving anywhere.? ?Luckily, one
of our sons has been driving us where we need to go.??
Happy Labor Day!
Sharon
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Dear Sharon,
Thank you for your informative message about Mary Anna/ Anna Maria Klingmann. I have looked through my notes, and I have found? (up to now) no Bernhard Klingmann in Germany. I have a Leonhardt, and the capital B in OGS is so similar to L that I could have misread
that. So far I have been looking for a Johann George that could be the man who married Anna Catharine Frey(in) in Wieblingen, Heidelberg and immigrated in 1732. But I've been unable to find, with certainty, a boy's baptism who can be the man who married Frey.
He has to have a brother Johann Peter. That would be the only way I could possibly prove that he is the son of the correct Johann Georg, mentioned on the marriage record of both Johann Georg Klingmann-Anna Catharina Frey and Johann Peter-Veronika Reich marriages.?
Bernhard would have been born around 1700 or earlier to have an adult daughter in 1745. The Leonhardt/Bernhardt I found married in 1704. I have really scrutinized it and now I think that it is a B because the OGS B has a little extra embellishment, and this
name seems to have that little embellishment. I used to read OGS quite easily, but am very rusty. I thought I was all done with German research, then found Alexander Klingmann in an LDS index.
If Bernhard married in 1704 and had several children, Mary Anna could be among the younger children and an appropriate age to marry in 1745. I wish I could get the Pennsylvania and do some onsite research. I'll be 86 in a couple of weeks and it is out of the
question.?
My companion has had complications from surgery and is in and out of the hospital almost weekly. I hope to get back to serious research when he gets better.
Thanks again,
Lila
Hi Lila,
This is all the info I have on Anna Maria (Klingman) Bechtel:
Birth - year estimated. ?
First Marriage - ?"John George [Bechtel] remained at home until he was 26 years old when he immigrated to America in 1743. ?He worked for a farmer named Bernard Klingman in what is now Pottsgrove Twp., Montgomery Co., PA. ?After
2 years he married the daughter Mary Anna Klingman." ?Jesse Bechtel's Journals, Book 1; Schwenkfelder Library, Pennsburg, PA. ?Quote provided by Anne Schorle. ?
1848 - Will Abstract - "GEORGE BECHTELL of Amity Township, Philadelphia County; dated 14 Nov 1748; mentioned wife Anna Mary & two children; witnesses: Michael Messenger & Valentine Eams; administration granted 8 Apr 1751, to
George Shettler, who married Anna Maria, late wife of George Bechtell." ?Philadelphia, Administration Book ?F, pg 365. ?
"Publications of The Genealogical Society of Pennsylvania", article titled "Abstracts of Wills Recorded in the Administration Books, Register's Office, Philadelphia"; 1912; Vol V, pg 187. ?
https://books.google.com/books?id=b9UUAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA174&lpg=PA174&dq=%22Abstracts+of+Wills+Recorded+in+the+Administration+Books,+Register%27s+Office,+Philadelphia%22&source=bl&ots=1hpSYu5q-m&sig=ACfU3U3bKMQUh5rsUWEAxqlBZ1AFSlCsLQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi50KOz-dHgAhVph-AKHV5cDU4Q6AEwA3oECAQQAQ#v=onepage&q=%22Abstracts%20of%20Wills%20Recorded%20in%20the%20Administration%20Books%2C%20Register's%20Office%2C%20Philadelphia%22&f=false
?
Second Marriage - "Johan Jurg Schadler (widower) & Anna Maria Bechtelin (wid Jurg.); 7 Aug 1750." ?Augustus Evangelical Lutheran Church - 717 West Main Street, Trappe, PA 19426; 610-489-9625. ?"The Pennsylvania-German Society,
Proceedings & Addresses at Philadelphia, 25 Oct 1896", Vol VII; 1897; pg 484. ?"Marriages & Deaths of Montgomery Co., PA" by Charlotte Meldrum, pg 85. ?
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044020051587;view=1up;seq=584
1751 - Anna Maria Shettler, widow of John George Bechtel, sold the 99 acre Bechtel property in Amity Township to Nicholas Boyer for 150 pounds on 4 Apr 1751; recorded 17 Sep 1759. ?
[Note 1: This is the property that John George Bechtel purchased in 1745 from Henry Acre.]
[Note 2: ?This deed quotes the will of John George Bechtel: "I give full power and right to my loving wife Anna Maria for to sell and dispose of my plantation and to divide the money equally with my two children."]
Philadelphia Deed Book H-11, pg 120-123.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSF1-S38L-1?i=394&cat=227024
1752 - Berks County formed from parts of Chester, Lancaster & Philadelphia Counties. ?
1752 - Amity Twp., Berks Co., PA Taxables - George Shedler. ?Historical and Biographical Annals of Berks County, PA; Volume I. Chapter I, pg 9.
[Note: ?Amity Township was previously located in Philadelphia County.]
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/14571/images/dvm_LocHist000729-00022-1?pId=34
1752 - George Schaedler & wife were baptismal sponsors for Anna Maria Hofmann, d/o Michael & Anna Maria, at New Hanover Lutheran Church on 19 Jul 1752. ?
"A History of the Lutheran Church in New Hanover, Montgomery Co., PA", pg 370.
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/13924/images/dvm_LocHist000881-00199-0?ssrc=&backlabel=Return&pId=376
1758 - Joh. George Schedler & wife were baptismal sponsors for Joh. Christian Moser, s/o Christian & A. Maria at New Hanover Lutheran Church on 16 Apr 1758. ?
"A History of the Lutheran Church in New Hanover, Montgomery Co., PA", pg 414.
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/13924/images/dvm_LocHist000881-00221-0?ssrc=&backlabel=Return&pId=418
1761 - George Schaedler & wife were baptismal sponsors for Eva Hofman, d/o Michael & Anna Maria, at New Hanover Lutheran Church on 22 Nov 1761. ? ?
"A History of the Lutheran Church in New Hanover, Montgomery Co., PA", pg 371.
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/13924/images/dvm_LocHist000881-00199-1?ssrc=&backlabel=Return&pId=377
1766 - Joh. George Schadler & wife were baptismal sponsors for Joh. George Burchert, s/o Simon & Anna Margaret, at New Hanover Lutheran Church on 17 Aug 1766. ?
"A History of the Lutheran Church in New Hanover, Montgomery Co., PA", pg 303.
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/13924/images/dvm_LocHist000881-00165-1?ssrc=&backlabel=Return&pId=311
Douglas Twp., Berks Co., PA Taxes
? ? ?1767 - George Shetler - 270 acres.
? ? ?1768 - George Shetler & Samuel Sands - 200 acres. [George Bechtel was taxed for 70 acres in Douglas Twp.]
? ? ?1779 - Geo. Shalter - 110 aces, 2 horses, 6 cattle.
? ? ?1780 - Geo. Shadler - 110 acres, 2 horses, 4 cattle.
? ? ?1781 - Geo. Shedler - 116 acres, 2 horses, 5 cattle.
Pennsylvania Archives, Third Series, Vol XVIII, pg 62, 122, 218, 349, 477.
[Note: George & Anna Mary were possibly living with Samuel & Catherine Sands after 1781.]
https://www.fold3.com/image/3069989/page-ii-pennsylvania-archives
1770 - George & Mary Schadler (mother & step-father to George Bechtel) sold 270 acres in Douglass Twp., Berks Co. to George Bechtel, yeoman, of Douglass Twp., Berks Co., PA for 10 pounds on 26 Dec 1770; recorded 3 Jan 1771. ?Berks
County Deed Book 6, pg 326-327.
[Note 1: This 270 acres of land was patented to George Sheadler on 18 Sep 1761 by Thomas & Richard Penn per Philadelphia Patent Book AA, Vol 1, pg 512. ? ?
[Note 2: In 1767, George Shetler (George Bechtel's step-father) was taxed in Douglass Twp. with 270 acres. ?In 1768, George Shetler & Samuel Sands (George Bechtel's brother-in-law) were taxed in Douglass Twp. with 200 acres;
& George Bechtel was taxed with 70 acres.] ?
[Note 3: George Bechtel (1744-1818) appears to be taxed for about 70 acres in Berks through 1785.]
[Note 4: This property is mentioned in the 1824 Montgomery County Deed Book 39, pg 541-544. ?It states George (1744-1818) sold the property on 11 Apr 1801 to his son George (1770-1827) & George sold the property on 18 Mar 1824
to his son George (1795-1864). I have been unable to find the recorded deed for this 1801 sale.] ?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSXB-M95G-1?i=386&cat=244401
Death - after Dec 1770 deed (above) & before 1783, when husband George wrote his will naming wife Catharine Elizabeth.
Will Abstract - Douglas Twp., Berks Co., PA - "George Shadler" - written 24 May 1783, proved 11 Mar 1797. ?Mentioned wife Catharine Elizabeth & children of his brother. ?
[Note 1: ?Apparently wife Anna Maria died prior to May 1783 & George married a third time, to Catharine Elizabeth.]
[Note 2: George Bechtel & Catherine Sense (Sands) were mentioned in the estate accounting.]
No info on the people you mention, sorry.??
Sharon
Sharon, I'm very interested in the Klingman(n) family you mention. My Catharine is spelled with a K and other variations.
I'm trying to find Pennsylvania information about the Georg Klingmann and wife Anna Katharine on the ship Samuel landing in Philadelphia in 1732. They had a son Peter on the passenger list, and a son Alexander who is not on the passenger list, evidently because
no? child under 3 years is on the list. He just doesn't show up in anything I find in Pennsylvania, but marries and has a large family in North Carolina. Family lore meshes nicely with the time for the ship's arrival.
I found a Clingman book online, but it has some incorrect information in it, so I don't know if I can rely on anything.??For
example, it says that Hans is not a name, but something to do with the Hanseatic League. That may be true in some German-speaking regions, but not everywhere.?
There is info about a Georg who mentions a wife Catharina
Barbara in his will, and I think Anna Cath. may have died an he married again. My Anna Cath. was born 27 Oct 1700 in Wieblingen, Heidelberg. Her maiden name was Frey. Georg was born about 1690-1699 somewhere in Baden, probably near Heidelberg or Mannheim.?
The book mentions so many men named Peter that it's impossible for me to sort them out. I do know that, of the two Klingmann couples on board, Anna Katharine and
Georg are the parents of Peter and Alexander. The other couple is Yorich and Thoradea (Dorothea) and there is Pennsylvania information about them, sorted out because of her unusual name.?
I'd be happy to correspond about Klingmann's.
Lila Niemann Garner
Mission, Texas
I am a Bechtel descendant.
?My great-grandmother was Ora Bechtel (1873-1903) who married Irvin Quigg. ?Ora was dau of Andrew (1832-1896); son of Charles/Carl (1806-1881); son of William (c1781-1854); son of George (1744-1818); son of John George (c1717-1750). ?
I would happy to
share & exchange info with anyone else researching this Bechtel line. ?I am interested in several pieces of info: ?father of Lovina who married Andrew Bechtel (1853). ?Marriage date of Charles/Carl?Bechtel
to Isabella Jack. ?Birth date of William. ?Marriage date of William to Mary Richards (c1799). ?Death date of Mary (Richards) Bechtel. ?Marriage date of George to Hannah Yocum (c1764). ?Birth & death & marriage date for John George & Anna Maria (Klingman).
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Dear Sharon,
Thank you for your informative message about Mary Anna/ Anna Maria Klingmann. I have looked through my notes, and I have found? (up to now) no Bernhard Klingmann in Germany. I have a Leonhardt, and the capital B in OGS is so similar to L that I could have misread
that. So far I have been looking for a Johann George that could be the man who married Anna Catharine Frey(in) in Wieblingen, Heidelberg and immigrated in 1732. But I've been unable to find, with certainty, a boy's baptism who can be the man who married Frey.
He has to have a brother Johann Peter. That would be the only way I could possibly prove that he is the son of the correct Johann Georg, mentioned on the marriage record of both Johann Georg Klingmann-Anna Catharina Frey and Johann Peter-Veronika Reich marriages.?
Bernhard would have been born around 1700 or earlier to have an adult daughter in 1745. The Leonhardt/Bernhardt I found married in 1704. I have really scrutinized it and now I think that it is a B because the OGS B has a little extra embellishment, and this
name seems to have that little embellishment. I used to read OGS quite easily, but am very rusty. I thought I was all done with German research, then found Alexander Klingmann in an LDS index.
If Bernhard married in 1704 and had several children, Mary Anna could be among the younger children and an appropriate age to marry in 1745. I wish I could get the Pennsylvania and do some onsite research. I'll be 86 in a couple of weeks and it is out of the
question.?
My companion has had complications from surgery and is in and out of the hospital almost weekly. I hope to get back to serious research when he gets better.
Thanks again,
Lila
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Hi Lila,
This is all the info I have on Anna Maria (Klingman) Bechtel:
Birth - year estimated. ?
First Marriage - ?"John George [Bechtel] remained at home until he was 26 years old when he immigrated to America in 1743. ?He worked for a farmer named Bernard Klingman in what is now Pottsgrove Twp., Montgomery Co., PA. ?After
2 years he married the daughter Mary Anna Klingman." ?Jesse Bechtel's Journals, Book 1; Schwenkfelder Library, Pennsburg, PA. ?Quote provided by Anne Schorle. ?
1848 - Will Abstract - "GEORGE BECHTELL of Amity Township, Philadelphia County; dated 14 Nov 1748; mentioned wife Anna Mary & two children; witnesses: Michael Messenger & Valentine Eams; administration granted 8 Apr 1751, to George
Shettler, who married Anna Maria, late wife of George Bechtell." ?Philadelphia, Administration Book ?F, pg 365. ?
"Publications of The Genealogical Society of Pennsylvania", article titled "Abstracts of Wills Recorded in the Administration Books, Register's Office, Philadelphia"; 1912; Vol V, pg 187. ?
https://books.google.com/books?id=b9UUAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA174&lpg=PA174&dq=%22Abstracts+of+Wills+Recorded+in+the+Administration+Books,+Register%27s+Office,+Philadelphia%22&source=bl&ots=1hpSYu5q-m&sig=ACfU3U3bKMQUh5rsUWEAxqlBZ1AFSlCsLQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi50KOz-dHgAhVph-AKHV5cDU4Q6AEwA3oECAQQAQ#v=onepage&q=%22Abstracts%20of%20Wills%20Recorded%20in%20the%20Administration%20Books%2C%20Register's%20Office%2C%20Philadelphia%22&f=false
?
Second Marriage - "Johan Jurg Schadler (widower) & Anna Maria Bechtelin (wid Jurg.); 7 Aug 1750." ?Augustus Evangelical Lutheran Church - 717 West Main Street, Trappe, PA 19426; 610-489-9625. ?"The Pennsylvania-German Society,
Proceedings & Addresses at Philadelphia, 25 Oct 1896", Vol VII; 1897; pg 484. ?"Marriages & Deaths of Montgomery Co., PA" by Charlotte Meldrum, pg 85. ?
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044020051587;view=1up;seq=584
1751 - Anna Maria Shettler, widow of John George Bechtel, sold the 99 acre Bechtel property in Amity Township to Nicholas Boyer for 150 pounds on 4 Apr 1751; recorded 17 Sep 1759. ?
[Note 1: This is the property that John George Bechtel purchased in 1745 from Henry Acre.]
[Note 2: ?This deed quotes the will of John George Bechtel: "I give full power and right to my loving wife Anna Maria for to sell and dispose of my plantation and to divide the money equally with my two children."]
Philadelphia Deed Book H-11, pg 120-123.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSF1-S38L-1?i=394&cat=227024
1752 - Berks County formed from parts of Chester, Lancaster & Philadelphia Counties. ?
1752 - Amity Twp., Berks Co., PA Taxables - George Shedler. ?Historical and Biographical Annals of Berks County, PA; Volume I. Chapter I, pg 9.
[Note: ?Amity Township was previously located in Philadelphia County.]
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/14571/images/dvm_LocHist000729-00022-1?pId=34
1752 - George Schaedler & wife were baptismal sponsors for Anna Maria Hofmann, d/o Michael & Anna Maria, at New Hanover Lutheran Church on 19 Jul 1752. ?
"A History of the Lutheran Church in New Hanover, Montgomery Co., PA", pg 370.
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/13924/images/dvm_LocHist000881-00199-0?ssrc=&backlabel=Return&pId=376
1758 - Joh. George Schedler & wife were baptismal sponsors for Joh. Christian Moser, s/o Christian & A. Maria at New Hanover Lutheran Church on 16 Apr 1758. ?
"A History of the Lutheran Church in New Hanover, Montgomery Co., PA", pg 414.
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/13924/images/dvm_LocHist000881-00221-0?ssrc=&backlabel=Return&pId=418
1761 - George Schaedler & wife were baptismal sponsors for Eva Hofman, d/o Michael & Anna Maria, at New Hanover Lutheran Church on 22 Nov 1761. ? ?
"A History of the Lutheran Church in New Hanover, Montgomery Co., PA", pg 371.
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/13924/images/dvm_LocHist000881-00199-1?ssrc=&backlabel=Return&pId=377
1766 - Joh. George Schadler & wife were baptismal sponsors for Joh. George Burchert, s/o Simon & Anna Margaret, at New Hanover Lutheran Church on 17 Aug 1766. ?
"A History of the Lutheran Church in New Hanover, Montgomery Co., PA", pg 303.
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/13924/images/dvm_LocHist000881-00165-1?ssrc=&backlabel=Return&pId=311
Douglas Twp., Berks Co., PA Taxes
? ? ?1767 - George Shetler - 270 acres.
? ? ?1768 - George Shetler & Samuel Sands - 200 acres. [George Bechtel was taxed for 70 acres in Douglas Twp.]
? ? ?1779 - Geo. Shalter - 110 aces, 2 horses, 6 cattle.
? ? ?1780 - Geo. Shadler - 110 acres, 2 horses, 4 cattle.
? ? ?1781 - Geo. Shedler - 116 acres, 2 horses, 5 cattle.
Pennsylvania Archives, Third Series, Vol XVIII, pg 62, 122, 218, 349, 477.
[Note: George & Anna Mary were possibly living with Samuel & Catherine Sands after 1781.]
https://www.fold3.com/image/3069989/page-ii-pennsylvania-archives
1770 - George & Mary Schadler (mother & step-father to George Bechtel) sold 270 acres in Douglass Twp., Berks Co. to George Bechtel, yeoman, of Douglass Twp., Berks Co., PA for 10 pounds on 26 Dec 1770; recorded 3 Jan 1771. ?Berks
County Deed Book 6, pg 326-327.
[Note 1: This 270 acres of land was patented to George Sheadler on 18 Sep 1761 by Thomas & Richard Penn per Philadelphia Patent Book AA, Vol 1, pg 512. ? ?
[Note 2: In 1767, George Shetler (George Bechtel's step-father) was taxed in Douglass Twp. with 270 acres. ?In 1768, George Shetler & Samuel Sands (George Bechtel's brother-in-law) were taxed in Douglass Twp. with 200 acres; &
George Bechtel was taxed with 70 acres.] ?
[Note 3: George Bechtel (1744-1818) appears to be taxed for about 70 acres in Berks through 1785.]
[Note 4: This property is mentioned in the 1824 Montgomery County Deed Book 39, pg 541-544. ?It states George (1744-1818) sold the property on 11 Apr 1801 to his son George (1770-1827) & George sold the property on 18 Mar 1824
to his son George (1795-1864). I have been unable to find the recorded deed for this 1801 sale.] ?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSXB-M95G-1?i=386&cat=244401
Death - after Dec 1770 deed (above) & before 1783, when husband George wrote his will naming wife Catharine Elizabeth.
Will Abstract - Douglas Twp., Berks Co., PA - "George Shadler" - written 24 May 1783, proved 11 Mar 1797. ?Mentioned wife Catharine Elizabeth & children of his brother. ?
[Note 1: ?Apparently wife Anna Maria died prior to May 1783 & George married a third time, to Catharine Elizabeth.]
[Note 2: George Bechtel & Catherine Sense (Sands) were mentioned in the estate accounting.]
No info on the people you mention, sorry.??
Sharon
Sharon, I'm very interested in the Klingman(n) family you mention. My Catharine is spelled with a K and other variations.
I'm trying to find Pennsylvania information about the Georg Klingmann and wife Anna Katharine on the ship Samuel landing in Philadelphia in 1732. They had a son Peter on the passenger list, and a son Alexander who is not on the passenger list, evidently because
no? child under 3 years is on the list. He just doesn't show up in anything I find in Pennsylvania, but marries and has a large family in North Carolina. Family lore meshes nicely with the time for the ship's arrival.
I found a Clingman book online, but it has some incorrect information in it, so I don't know if I can rely on anything.??For
example, it says that Hans is not a name, but something to do with the Hanseatic League. That may be true in some German-speaking regions, but not everywhere.?
There is info about a Georg who mentions a wife Catharina
Barbara in his will, and I think Anna Cath. may have died an he married again. My Anna Cath. was born 27 Oct 1700 in Wieblingen, Heidelberg. Her maiden name was Frey. Georg was born about 1690-1699 somewhere in Baden, probably near Heidelberg or Mannheim.?
The book mentions so many men named Peter that it's impossible for me to sort them out. I do know that, of the two Klingmann couples on board, Anna Katharine and
Georg are the parents of Peter and Alexander. The other couple is Yorich and Thoradea (Dorothea) and there is Pennsylvania information about them, sorted out because of her unusual name.?
I'd be happy to correspond about Klingmann's.
Lila Niemann Garner
Mission, Texas
I am a Bechtel descendant.
?My great-grandmother was Ora Bechtel (1873-1903) who married Irvin Quigg. ?Ora was dau of Andrew (1832-1896); son of Charles/Carl (1806-1881); son of William (c1781-1854); son of George (1744-1818); son of John George (c1717-1750). ?
I would happy to share
& exchange info with anyone else researching this Bechtel line. ?I am interested in several pieces of info: ?father of Lovina who married Andrew Bechtel (1853). ?Marriage date of Charles/Carl?Bechtel
to Isabella Jack. ?Birth date of William. ?Marriage date of William to Mary Richards (c1799). ?Death date of Mary (Richards) Bechtel. ?Marriage date of George to Hannah Yocum (c1764). ?Birth & death & marriage date for John George & Anna Maria (Klingman).
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Hi Lila,
This is all the info I have on Anna Maria (Klingman) Bechtel:
Birth - year estimated. ?
First Marriage - ?"John George [Bechtel] remained at home until he was 26 years old when he immigrated to America in 1743. ?He worked for a farmer named Bernard Klingman in what is now Pottsgrove Twp., Montgomery Co., PA. ?After
2 years he married the daughter Mary Anna Klingman." ?Jesse Bechtel's Journals, Book 1; Schwenkfelder Library, Pennsburg, PA. ?Quote provided by Anne Schorle. ?
1848 - Will Abstract - "GEORGE BECHTELL of Amity Township, Philadelphia County; dated 14 Nov 1748; mentioned wife Anna Mary & two children; witnesses: Michael Messenger & Valentine Eams; administration granted 8 Apr 1751, to George
Shettler, who married Anna Maria, late wife of George Bechtell." ?Philadelphia, Administration Book ?F, pg 365. ?
"Publications of The Genealogical Society of Pennsylvania", article titled "Abstracts of Wills Recorded in the Administration Books, Register's Office, Philadelphia"; 1912; Vol V, pg 187. ?
https://books.google.com/books?id=b9UUAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA174&lpg=PA174&dq=%22Abstracts+of+Wills+Recorded+in+the+Administration+Books,+Register%27s+Office,+Philadelphia%22&source=bl&ots=1hpSYu5q-m&sig=ACfU3U3bKMQUh5rsUWEAxqlBZ1AFSlCsLQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi50KOz-dHgAhVph-AKHV5cDU4Q6AEwA3oECAQQAQ#v=onepage&q=%22Abstracts%20of%20Wills%20Recorded%20in%20the%20Administration%20Books%2C%20Register's%20Office%2C%20Philadelphia%22&f=false
?
Second Marriage - "Johan Jurg Schadler (widower) & Anna Maria Bechtelin (wid Jurg.); 7 Aug 1750." ?Augustus Evangelical Lutheran Church - 717 West Main Street, Trappe, PA 19426; 610-489-9625. ?"The Pennsylvania-German Society, Proceedings
& Addresses at Philadelphia, 25 Oct 1896", Vol VII; 1897; pg 484. ?"Marriages & Deaths of Montgomery Co., PA" by Charlotte Meldrum, pg 85. ?
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044020051587;view=1up;seq=584
1751 - Anna Maria Shettler, widow of John George Bechtel, sold the 99 acre Bechtel property in Amity Township to Nicholas Boyer for 150 pounds on 4 Apr 1751; recorded 17 Sep 1759. ?
[Note 1: This is the property that John George Bechtel purchased in 1745 from Henry Acre.]
[Note 2: ?This deed quotes the will of John George Bechtel: "I give full power and right to my loving wife Anna Maria for to sell and dispose of my plantation and to divide the money equally with my two children."]
Philadelphia Deed Book H-11, pg 120-123.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSF1-S38L-1?i=394&cat=227024
1752 - Berks County formed from parts of Chester, Lancaster & Philadelphia Counties. ?
1752 - Amity Twp., Berks Co., PA Taxables - George Shedler. ?Historical and Biographical Annals of Berks County, PA; Volume I. Chapter I, pg 9.
[Note: ?Amity Township was previously located in Philadelphia County.]
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/14571/images/dvm_LocHist000729-00022-1?pId=34
1752 - George Schaedler & wife were baptismal sponsors for Anna Maria Hofmann, d/o Michael & Anna Maria, at New Hanover Lutheran Church on 19 Jul 1752. ?
"A History of the Lutheran Church in New Hanover, Montgomery Co., PA", pg 370.
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/13924/images/dvm_LocHist000881-00199-0?ssrc=&backlabel=Return&pId=376
1758 - Joh. George Schedler & wife were baptismal sponsors for Joh. Christian Moser, s/o Christian & A. Maria at New Hanover Lutheran Church on 16 Apr 1758. ?
"A History of the Lutheran Church in New Hanover, Montgomery Co., PA", pg 414.
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/13924/images/dvm_LocHist000881-00221-0?ssrc=&backlabel=Return&pId=418
1761 - George Schaedler & wife were baptismal sponsors for Eva Hofman, d/o Michael & Anna Maria, at New Hanover Lutheran Church on 22 Nov 1761. ? ?
"A History of the Lutheran Church in New Hanover, Montgomery Co., PA", pg 371.
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/13924/images/dvm_LocHist000881-00199-1?ssrc=&backlabel=Return&pId=377
1766 - Joh. George Schadler & wife were baptismal sponsors for Joh. George Burchert, s/o Simon & Anna Margaret, at New Hanover Lutheran Church on 17 Aug 1766. ?
"A History of the Lutheran Church in New Hanover, Montgomery Co., PA", pg 303.
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/13924/images/dvm_LocHist000881-00165-1?ssrc=&backlabel=Return&pId=311
Douglas Twp., Berks Co., PA Taxes
? ? ?1767 - George Shetler - 270 acres.
? ? ?1768 - George Shetler & Samuel Sands - 200 acres. [George Bechtel was taxed for 70 acres in Douglas Twp.]
? ? ?1779 - Geo. Shalter - 110 aces, 2 horses, 6 cattle.
? ? ?1780 - Geo. Shadler - 110 acres, 2 horses, 4 cattle.
? ? ?1781 - Geo. Shedler - 116 acres, 2 horses, 5 cattle.
Pennsylvania Archives, Third Series, Vol XVIII, pg 62, 122, 218, 349, 477.
[Note: George & Anna Mary were possibly living with Samuel & Catherine Sands after 1781.]
https://www.fold3.com/image/3069989/page-ii-pennsylvania-archives
1770 - George & Mary Schadler (mother & step-father to George Bechtel) sold 270 acres in Douglass Twp., Berks Co. to George Bechtel, yeoman, of Douglass Twp., Berks Co., PA for 10 pounds on 26 Dec 1770; recorded 3 Jan 1771. ?Berks
County Deed Book 6, pg 326-327.
[Note 1: This 270 acres of land was patented to George Sheadler on 18 Sep 1761 by Thomas & Richard Penn per Philadelphia Patent Book AA, Vol 1, pg 512. ? ?
[Note 2: In 1767, George Shetler (George Bechtel's step-father) was taxed in Douglass Twp. with 270 acres. ?In 1768, George Shetler & Samuel Sands (George Bechtel's brother-in-law) were taxed in Douglass Twp. with 200 acres; & George
Bechtel was taxed with 70 acres.] ?
[Note 3: George Bechtel (1744-1818) appears to be taxed for about 70 acres in Berks through 1785.]
[Note 4: This property is mentioned in the 1824 Montgomery County Deed Book 39, pg 541-544. ?It states George (1744-1818) sold the property on 11 Apr 1801 to his son George (1770-1827) & George sold the property on 18 Mar 1824 to
his son George (1795-1864). I have been unable to find the recorded deed for this 1801 sale.] ?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSXB-M95G-1?i=386&cat=244401
Death - after Dec 1770 deed (above) & before 1783, when husband George wrote his will naming wife Catharine Elizabeth.
Will Abstract - Douglas Twp., Berks Co., PA - "George Shadler" - written 24 May 1783, proved 11 Mar 1797. ?Mentioned wife Catharine Elizabeth & children of his brother. ?
[Note 1: ?Apparently wife Anna Maria died prior to May 1783 & George married a third time, to Catharine Elizabeth.]
[Note 2: George Bechtel & Catherine Sense (Sands) were mentioned in the estate accounting.]
No info on the people you mention, sorry.??
Sharon
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Sharon, I'm very interested in the Klingman(n) family you mention. My Catharine is spelled with a K and other variations.
I'm trying to find Pennsylvania information about the Georg Klingmann and wife Anna Katharine on the ship Samuel landing in Philadelphia in 1732. They had a son Peter on the passenger list, and a son Alexander who is not on the passenger list, evidently because
no? child under 3 years is on the list. He just doesn't show up in anything I find in Pennsylvania, but marries and has a large family in North Carolina. Family lore meshes nicely with the time for the ship's arrival.
I found a Clingman book online, but it has some incorrect information in it, so I don't know if I can rely on anything.??For
example, it says that Hans is not a name, but something to do with the Hanseatic League. That may be true in some German-speaking regions, but not everywhere.?
There is info about a Georg who mentions a wife Catharina
Barbara in his will, and I think Anna Cath. may have died an he married again. My Anna Cath. was born 27 Oct 1700 in Wieblingen, Heidelberg. Her maiden name was Frey. Georg was born about 1690-1699 somewhere in Baden, probably near Heidelberg or Mannheim.?
The book mentions so many men named Peter that it's impossible for me to sort them out. I do know that, of the two Klingmann couples on board, Anna Katharine and
Georg are the parents of Peter and Alexander. The other couple is Yorich and Thoradea (Dorothea) and there is Pennsylvania information about them, sorted out because of her unusual name.?
I'd be happy to correspond about Klingmann's.
Lila Niemann Garner
Mission, Texas
I am a Bechtel descendant.
?My great-grandmother was Ora Bechtel (1873-1903) who married Irvin Quigg. ?Ora was dau of Andrew (1832-1896); son of Charles/Carl (1806-1881); son of William (c1781-1854); son of George (1744-1818); son of John George (c1717-1750). ?
I would happy to share
& exchange info with anyone else researching this Bechtel line. ?I am interested in several pieces of info: ?father of Lovina who married Andrew Bechtel (1853). ?Marriage date of Charles/Carl?Bechtel
to Isabella Jack. ?Birth date of William. ?Marriage date of William to Mary Richards (c1799). ?Death date of Mary (Richards) Bechtel. ?Marriage date of George to Hannah Yocum (c1764). ?Birth & death & marriage date for John George & Anna Maria (Klingman).
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Sharon, I'm very interested in the Klingman(n) family you mention. My Catharine is spelled with a K and other variations.
I'm trying to find Pennsylvania information about the Georg Klingmann and wife Anna Katharine on the ship Samuel landing in Philadelphia in 1732. They had a son Peter on the passenger list, and a son Alexander who is not on the passenger list, evidently because
no? child under 3 years is on the list. He just doesn't show up in anything I find in Pennsylvania, but marries and has a large family in North Carolina. Family lore meshes nicely with the time for the ship's arrival.
I found a Clingman book online, but it has some incorrect information in it, so I don't know if I can rely on anything.??For
example, it says that Hans is not a name, but something to do with the Hanseatic League. That may be true in some German-speaking regions, but not everywhere.?
There is info about a Georg who mentions a wife Catharina
Barbara in his will, and I think Anna Cath. may have died an he married again. My Anna Cath. was born 27 Oct 1700 in Wieblingen, Heidelberg. Her maiden name was Frey. Georg was born about 1690-1699 somewhere in Baden, probably near Heidelberg or Mannheim.?
The book mentions so many men named Peter that it's impossible for me to sort them out. I do know that, of the two Klingmann couples on board, Anna Katharine and
Georg are the parents of Peter and Alexander. The other couple is Yorich and Thoradea (Dorothea) and there is Pennsylvania information about them, sorted out because of her unusual name.?
I'd be happy to correspond about Klingmann's.
Lila Niemann Garner
Mission, Texas
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I am a Bechtel descendant. ?My great-grandmother
was Ora Bechtel (1873-1903) who married Irvin Quigg. ?Ora was dau of Andrew (1832-1896); son of Charles/Carl (1806-1881); son of William (c1781-1854); son of George (1744-1818); son of John George (c1717-1750). ?
I would happy to share & exchange
info with anyone else researching this Bechtel line. ?I am interested in several pieces of info: ?father of Lovina who married Andrew Bechtel (1853). ?Marriage date of Charles/Carl?Bechtel
to Isabella Jack. ?Birth date of William. ?Marriage date of William to Mary Richards (c1799). ?Death date of Mary (Richards) Bechtel. ?Marriage date of George to Hannah Yocum (c1764). ?Birth & death & marriage date for John George & Anna Maria (Klingman).
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