On Nov 22, 2024, at 9:10?PM, Scott Dollar via groups.io <dollar031@...> wrote:

?Hi Carly,

Scott here.

I am going to have to agree with Cris and Robert.

It needs to be using the term as either deaf or hard of hearing as the correct term. ?A deaf person who doesn't use a voice and voice themselves but it is uing sign language. ?I have been around with deaf and hard of hearing coomunities for a very long time.

I am going to recommend for you to contact with your state commission for the deaf and hard of hearing as they can make the correct term to you.

I do understand that there are some DeafBlind folks do have CVI as I just learned about this. ? I do know one DeafBlind person who is a teenager as the mother explains to me about related to the CVI as I do understand about it.

Hope this help you.

Best regards,

Scott Dollar

?

On Nov 22, 2024, at 10:12 AM, Carly Blasco via groups.io <cblasco79@...> wrote:

?Hello Everyone,

The students that I’m working with are a mixture between extremely limited verbal expression and students who don’t use any words to express themselves. The non-verbal students make sounds, however it isn’t anything that would be defined as words. The other students express themselves, however they are not your traditional words that may be interpreted as being verbal. Once you’ve learned their language, then you can tell what they are expressing.?

Does this help??

Some of the kiddos, are primarily delayed learners and have other setbacks that are combined with a higher level CVI range from 6-9.?

I want to be able to be able to more effectively service them and make my time with them beneficial.?

Thank you?

On Nov 21, 2024, at 10:44?PM, Dona Sauerburger via groups.io <dona@...> wrote:

?I think you’re right, Chris, I assumed “non-verbal” meant “limited language”, and Robert is SO correct that “non-verbal” is not a good term if you actually mean “limited language” - no wonder he was confused!

Carly, please clarify - thank you!!

— Dona

—————————

Dona Sauerburger, COMS

Certified Orientation and Mobility Specialist for the blind

www.sauerburger.org

On Nov 21, 2024, at 3:17 PM, Chris Tabb via groups.io <chris@...> wrote:

?Hi Robert,

Carly’s original question may have a different context. I interpreted her question to be about young people who are not functioning at an academic level with their age matched peers; more specifically, those who are not using ASL, either visually or through manual or tactile sign, Protactile, etc. I may be wrong in how I interpreted her initial question.

Generally when I consider the needs of individuals who are “non-verbal” I am thinking about those who have not yet developed the use of formal language and are expressing their needs, wants, and emotions using either body language, object symbols, or some other form of expression that precedes the use of sign language, spoken language, Protactile, etc.

—
Christopher J. Tabb, M.A., COMS

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On Nov 21, 2024, at 12:57?PM, Robert T. Sirvage via groups.io <robert.sirvage@...> wrote:

Robert -??

What does 'non-verbal' mean within this context?? ?I am asking because sometimes people would consider me as being non-verbal just because I don't use voice as I sign or tactile instead.? However there are some would argue?that being verbal?does not necessarily mean using voice per se.??

If that is what non-verbal means here = not using voice to express or at least? not with ease, then I would learn?the non-verbal language in order to be able to interact with students effectively.? ?Protactile or sign language.? ??

And I am familiar?with people who are hearing with mutism.? ?They could hear but only could express in sign language.? And that hearing person would depend on whether or not you know the language as well.?

And there are another pack..? the person might not be able to use voice or sign to express due to motor skills or cognition conditions that might impede one from express coherently and with ease via? one of linguistic colloquials.?

So far I have identified several possibilities?to what non-verbal here mean aseach have different work around to become a more effective teacher / trainer..? So it will be helpful if we know more about what this 'non-verbal' and " not textbook O&M student" mean.?

?

?Warmly?

?

?

??

On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 1:03?PM Chris Tabb via <chris=[email protected]> wrote:

Hi Carly,

Though your learner may not be deafblind, there are quite a few resorces related to students who pre-formal language at…

And a couple of LiveBinders…

--

Sent from iPhone

Chris Tabb

chris@...

512.660.2750

On Nov 21, 2024, at 10:52?AM, Carly Blasco via <cblasco79=[email protected]> wrote:

?Hello Everyone,

I’m looking for ideas for goals and lesson strategies for my students who are not textbook O&M students.

I have several students who are not fluently verbal and have additional learning needs.

I’m reaching out for your input, execution ideas, and suggestions. Matching games, etc? What are your go to resources for ideas? Where do you get your inspiration from and where do you get supplies from?

Thank you?

--

Robert T. Sirvage

On Nov 22, 2024, at 11:12 AM, Carly Blasco via groups.io <cblasco79@...> wrote:

?Hello Everyone,

The students that I’m working with are a mixture between extremely limited verbal expression and students who don’t use any words to express themselves. The non-verbal students make sounds, however it isn’t anything that would be defined as words. The other students express themselves, however they are not your traditional words that may be interpreted as being verbal. Once you’ve learned their language, then you can tell what they are expressing.?

Does this help??

Some of the kiddos, are primarily delayed learners and have other setbacks that are combined with a higher level CVI range from 6-9.?

I want to be able to be able to more effectively service them and make my time with them beneficial.?

Thank you?

On Nov 21, 2024, at 10:44?PM, Dona Sauerburger via groups.io <dona@...> wrote:

?I think you’re right, Chris, I assumed “non-verbal” meant “limited language”, and Robert is SO correct that “non-verbal” is not a good term if you actually mean “limited language” - no wonder he was confused!

Carly, please clarify - thank you!!

— Dona

—————————

Dona Sauerburger, COMS

Certified Orientation and Mobility Specialist for the blind

www.sauerburger.org

On Nov 21, 2024, at 3:17 PM, Chris Tabb via groups.io <chris@...> wrote:

?Hi Robert,

Carly’s original question may have a different context. I interpreted her question to be about young people who are not functioning at an academic level with their age matched peers; more specifically, those who are not using ASL, either visually or through manual or tactile sign, Protactile, etc. I may be wrong in how I interpreted her initial question.

Generally when I consider the needs of individuals who are “non-verbal” I am thinking about those who have not yet developed the use of formal language and are expressing their needs, wants, and emotions using either body language, object symbols, or some other form of expression that precedes the use of sign language, spoken language, Protactile, etc.

—
Christopher J. Tabb, M.A., COMS

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On Nov 21, 2024, at 12:57?PM, Robert T. Sirvage via groups.io <robert.sirvage@...> wrote:

Robert -??

What does 'non-verbal' mean within this context?? ?I am asking because sometimes people would consider me as being non-verbal just because I don't use voice as I sign or tactile instead.? However there are some would argue?that being verbal?does not necessarily mean using voice per se.??

If that is what non-verbal means here = not using voice to express or at least? not with ease, then I would learn?the non-verbal language in order to be able to interact with students effectively.? ?Protactile or sign language.? ??

And I am familiar?with people who are hearing with mutism.? ?They could hear but only could express in sign language.? And that hearing person would depend on whether or not you know the language as well.?

And there are another pack..? the person might not be able to use voice or sign to express due to motor skills or cognition conditions that might impede one from express coherently and with ease via? one of linguistic colloquials.?

So far I have identified several possibilities?to what non-verbal here mean aseach have different work around to become a more effective teacher / trainer..? So it will be helpful if we know more about what this 'non-verbal' and " not textbook O&M student" mean.?

?

?Warmly?

?

?

??

On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 1:03?PM Chris Tabb via <chris=[email protected]> wrote:

Hi Carly,

Though your learner may not be deafblind, there are quite a few resorces related to students who pre-formal language at…

And a couple of LiveBinders…

--

Sent from iPhone

Chris Tabb

chris@...

512.660.2750

On Nov 21, 2024, at 10:52?AM, Carly Blasco via <cblasco79=[email protected]> wrote:

?Hello Everyone,

I’m looking for ideas for goals and lesson strategies for my students who are not textbook O&M students.

I have several students who are not fluently verbal and have additional learning needs.

I’m reaching out for your input, execution ideas, and suggestions. Matching games, etc? What are your go to resources for ideas? Where do you get your inspiration from and where do you get supplies from?

Thank you?

--

Robert T. Sirvage

On Nov 21, 2024, at 10:44?PM, Dona Sauerburger via groups.io <dona@...> wrote:

?I think you’re right, Chris, I assumed “non-verbal” meant “limited language”, and Robert is SO correct that “non-verbal” is not a good term if you actually mean “limited language” - no wonder he was confused!

Carly, please clarify - thank you!!

— Dona

—————————

Dona Sauerburger, COMS

Certified Orientation and Mobility Specialist for the blind

www.sauerburger.org

On Nov 21, 2024, at 3:17 PM, Chris Tabb via groups.io <chris@...> wrote:

?Hi Robert,

Carly’s original question may have a different context. I interpreted her question to be about young people who are not functioning at an academic level with their age matched peers; more specifically, those who are not using ASL, either visually or through manual or tactile sign, Protactile, etc. I may be wrong in how I interpreted her initial question.

Generally when I consider the needs of individuals who are “non-verbal” I am thinking about those who have not yet developed the use of formal language and are expressing their needs, wants, and emotions using either body language, object symbols, or some other form of expression that precedes the use of sign language, spoken language, Protactile, etc.

—
Christopher J. Tabb, M.A., COMS

chris@...
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On Nov 21, 2024, at 12:57?PM, Robert T. Sirvage via groups.io <robert.sirvage@...> wrote:

Robert -??

What does 'non-verbal' mean within this context?? ?I am asking because sometimes people would consider me as being non-verbal just because I don't use voice as I sign or tactile instead.? However there are some would argue?that being verbal?does not necessarily mean using voice per se.??

If that is what non-verbal means here = not using voice to express or at least? not with ease, then I would learn?the non-verbal language in order to be able to interact with students effectively.? ?Protactile or sign language.? ??

And I am familiar?with people who are hearing with mutism.? ?They could hear but only could express in sign language.? And that hearing person would depend on whether or not you know the language as well.?

And there are another pack..? the person might not be able to use voice or sign to express due to motor skills or cognition conditions that might impede one from express coherently and with ease via? one of linguistic colloquials.?

So far I have identified several possibilities?to what non-verbal here mean aseach have different work around to become a more effective teacher / trainer..? So it will be helpful if we know more about what this 'non-verbal' and " not textbook O&M student" mean.?

?

?Warmly?

?

?

??

On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 1:03?PM Chris Tabb via <chris=[email protected]> wrote:

Hi Carly,

Though your learner may not be deafblind, there are quite a few resorces related to students who pre-formal language at…

And a couple of LiveBinders…

--

Sent from iPhone

Chris Tabb

chris@...

512.660.2750

On Nov 21, 2024, at 10:52?AM, Carly Blasco via <cblasco79=[email protected]> wrote:

?Hello Everyone,

I’m looking for ideas for goals and lesson strategies for my students who are not textbook O&M students.

I have several students who are not fluently verbal and have additional learning needs.

I’m reaching out for your input, execution ideas, and suggestions. Matching games, etc? What are your go to resources for ideas? Where do you get your inspiration from and where do you get supplies from?

Thank you?

On Nov 21, 2024, at 3:17 PM, Chris Tabb via groups.io <chris@...> wrote:

?Hi Robert,

Carly’s original question may have a different context. I interpreted her question to be about young people who are not functioning at an academic level with their age matched peers; more specifically, those who are not using ASL, either visually or through manual or tactile sign, Protactile, etc. I may be wrong in how I interpreted her initial question.

Generally when I consider the needs of individuals who are “non-verbal” I am thinking about those who have not yet developed the use of formal language and are expressing their needs, wants, and emotions using either body language, object symbols, or some other form of expression that precedes the use of sign language, spoken language, Protactile, etc.

—
Christopher J. Tabb, M.A., COMS

chris@...
Mobile:??512.660.2750





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On Nov 21, 2024, at 12:57?PM, Robert T. Sirvage via groups.io <robert.sirvage@...> wrote:

Robert -??

What does 'non-verbal' mean within this context?? ?I am asking because sometimes people would consider me as being non-verbal just because I don't use voice as I sign or tactile instead.? However there are some would argue?that being verbal?does not necessarily mean using voice per se.??

If that is what non-verbal means here = not using voice to express or at least? not with ease, then I would learn?the non-verbal language in order to be able to interact with students effectively.? ?Protactile or sign language.? ??

And I am familiar?with people who are hearing with mutism.? ?They could hear but only could express in sign language.? And that hearing person would depend on whether or not you know the language as well.?

And there are another pack..? the person might not be able to use voice or sign to express due to motor skills or cognition conditions that might impede one from express coherently and with ease via? one of linguistic colloquials.?

So far I have identified several possibilities?to what non-verbal here mean aseach have different work around to become a more effective teacher / trainer..? So it will be helpful if we know more about what this 'non-verbal' and " not textbook O&M student" mean.?

?

?Warmly?

?

?

??

On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 1:03?PM Chris Tabb via <chris=[email protected]> wrote:

Hi Carly,

Though your learner may not be deafblind, there are quite a few resorces related to students who pre-formal language at…

And a couple of LiveBinders…

--

Sent from iPhone

Chris Tabb

chris@...

512.660.2750

On Nov 21, 2024, at 10:52?AM, Carly Blasco via <cblasco79=[email protected]> wrote:

?Hello Everyone,

I’m looking for ideas for goals and lesson strategies for my students who are not textbook O&M students.

I have several students who are not fluently verbal and have additional learning needs.

I’m reaching out for your input, execution ideas, and suggestions. Matching games, etc? What are your go to resources for ideas? Where do you get your inspiration from and where do you get supplies from?

Thank you?

On Nov 21, 2024, at 12:57?PM, Robert T. Sirvage via groups.io <robert.sirvage@...> wrote:

Robert -??

What does 'non-verbal' mean within this context?? ?I am asking because sometimes people would consider me as being non-verbal just because I don't use voice as I sign or tactile instead.? However there are some would argue?that being verbal?does not necessarily mean using voice per se.??

If that is what non-verbal means here = not using voice to express or at least? not with ease, then I would learn?the non-verbal language in order to be able to interact with students effectively.? ?Protactile or sign language.? ??

And I am familiar?with people who are hearing with mutism.? ?They could hear but only could express in sign language.? And that hearing person would depend on whether or not you know the language as well.?

And there are another pack..? the person might not be able to use voice or sign to express due to motor skills or cognition conditions that might impede one from express coherently and with ease via? one of linguistic colloquials.?

So far I have identified several possibilities?to what non-verbal here mean aseach have different work around to become a more effective teacher / trainer..? So it will be helpful if we know more about what this 'non-verbal' and " not textbook O&M student" mean.?

?

?Warmly?

?

?

??

On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 1:03?PM Chris Tabb via <chris=[email protected]> wrote:

Hi Carly,

Though your learner may not be deafblind, there are quite a few resorces related to students who pre-formal language at…

And a couple of LiveBinders…

On Nov 14, 2024, at 10:23?AM, John Lee Clark via groups.io <jlc@...> wrote:

?

WE WERE ALWAYS HERE

Encounters with Four DeafBlind Historical Figures

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You are invited to experience a protactile exhibition featuring storytelling, clothes, and artifacts. Four DeafBlind historical figures who were active between 1850 and 1905 will be co-present during your forty-minute journey through classic instances of sighted intervention, DeafBlind autonomy, and shifting affordances for communication and travel.

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Schedule

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Three exhibition periods are available for you to choose from:

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Friday, November 22, 3 to 6 p.m.

Saturday, November 23, 10 a.m. to noon

Saturday, November 23, 2 to 4 p.m.

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Tickets are free. Please choose one of the above periods. The exhibition and performances will take place on the campus of the Rochester School for the Deaf. When you R.S.V.P., you will receive the exact address and suggested time of arrival.

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You can R.S.V.P. by sending an email to deafblind@...

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Figures and Performers

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Laura Bridgman, our first featured historical figure, was the most famous DeafBlind person from the nineteenth century, but for all the wrong reasons. Her most important contributions to our community are not well known, such as her correspondence with many other DeafBlind.

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Bridgman is represented by Rhonda Voight-Campbell, who has taught DeafBlind and Protactile Studies courses at the Rochester Institute of Technology for eight years.

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Morrison Heady, our second featured figure, was an inventor, businessman, advocate, and, in 1864, the first DeafBlind person to publish a book. A lifelong resident of Louisville, he traveled extensively to raise funds for the American Printing House for the Blind and other projects.

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Heady is represented by John Lee Clark, who is an author, historian, translator, and Protactile educator.

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Mary Ann Moore, our third featured figure, became, in 1873, the first DeafBlind woman author. A birthright Quaker, she served for a time as women’s overseer for the Deer River Monthly Meeting. Late in life, she joined her family’s migration to the Midwest.

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Moore is represented by Cristina Hartmann, a Protactile speaker of Brazilian ancestry who holds degrees in history, law, and creative writing.

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James Neal, our fourth figure, was the first DeafBlind person to be employed as a schoolteacher, in his case teaching industrial arts in the segregated “Colored Department” of the Tennessee School for the Blind. Before beginning his formal education at the Tennessee School for the Deaf in 1899, he communicated fluently in a proto-protactile language with his family.

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Neal is represented by Roberto Cabrera, who is a Protactile educator, poet, and director of the S.T.E.M. Academy at the National Technical Institute of the Deaf.

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Patty Starr and Elizabeth Adamson are our hosts.

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This project is supported by a grant from the New York state arts agency that was awarded to the National Technical Institute of the Deaf. Our thanks to Rochester Institute of Technology, the Rochester School for the Deaf, the Susan B. Anthony House and Museum, and many individuals for additional contributions and making the exhibition possible.

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