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FEAR OF NAION AFFECTING OUR HEALTHY EYE LIVES WITH ALL OF US

WE LOOK AT THE STATS FOR REASSURANCE

IT WOULD BE SO HELPFUL, I’M SURE TO ALL TO HAVE A QUICK SURVEY IN OUR GROUP

PKEASE DO ANSWER SO THAT WE CAN APPRECIATE THE REAL PICTURE

I’LL START

SEX MALE

FIRST INCIDENT AGE 62

CURRENT AGE 66

SECOND INCIDENT AGE ?N/A

COMPROMISED DISC CUP RATIO?

AFFECTED EYE YES

UNAFFECTED EYE YES

USING OZEMPIC OR SIMILAR NO

HYPERTENSION YES

POSSIBLE NOCTURNAL HYPOTENSION

DIABETES NO

SLEEP APNOEA NO

CAUSAL RELATIONSHIP TO COVID ILLNESS MAYBE

CAUSAL RELATIONSHIP TO COVID VACCINE MAYBE

STILL DRIVING YES

OTHER?

THIS WILL BE AN INVALUABLE SURVEY

PLEASE DO ANSWER

THANK YOU

TERRY

MEDICAL SPECIALIST

On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 at 05:29, George Ousler via <sailfishin=[email protected]> wrote:

Hi Marc,

Thanks for your post. I feel obligated to let you know that I was in your shoes not too long ago (March 2024) and unfortunately suffered from a second NAION in my neighboring eye after using a GLP (Mounjorno) for approximately 6 months. I completely understand the risk vs. benefit ratio and that the improvements from weight loss, etc. are tremendous but I have to say that the potential loss of vision in both eyes is devastating. Once you have a NAION in both eyes, there may be significant blind spots based on the areas between your two eyes that overlap and therefore have true total vision loss (when there is only one eye involved, the neighboring eye compensates to the point where you don't notice the vision loss). I'm not suggesting that you change your opinion / plan, rather, just be sure that you can't control your diabetes, etc. through diet, other medications, etc. to try to prevent an ischemic event from GLP induced decreased blood flow. Also, do you have crowded disc syndrome (small cup to disc ratio in both eyes)? As you know, once it occurs, you can't reverse it. I've been seeing a neuro-ophthalmologist at Mass Eye and Eye who has been researching and publishing on the association between NAION and GLPs. Please google Dr. Rizzo at Mass General Hospitals and NAION to learn more. Happy to discuss more Marc (and anyone else in this group) to share my experience - once you have a second NAION, the game changes significantly. Thanks.

George ?

On Sunday, March 16, 2025 at 10:57:23 PM EDT, Marc Gold via <marcgold=[email protected]> wrote:

The evidence of a link between Semaglutide and NAION is indeed very weak. I already have NAION in one eye.?

The improvement of my diabetes, weight, heart and kidney status worries me far more than the small chance my other eye could be affected by Ozempic.

I start Ozempic next week @ 1 mg. per week. My physician concurs that the benefits far outweigh the risks. I'll take my chances, which are not high at all:



Even though we have demonstrated a higher risk of NAION in persons with T2D exposed to once-weekly semaglutide, it is important to keep in mind that use of semaglutide comes with substantial advantages for patients as given by the improved glycemic control, reduction in risk of cardiovascular disease as well as the beneficial effects of weight loss [1]. As such, the observed incidence rate of NAION of 0·228 per 1000 person-years for persons with T2D exposed with once-weekly semaglutide may not discourage semaglutide treatment but needs to be acknowledged as a potential risk.

This is truly a miracle drug in the same way that penicillin, statin drugs, Covid vaccines, insulin and Sildenafil have demonstrated. We are lucky to live in this age of pharmaceutical advances and wonders.

I will report my progress which should allay some of your concerns about?Semaglutide and NAION.

Marc