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Re: Future plans

 

Greetings,

I have added an option on the ADIF export screen to allow /M to be
appended for mobile contacts.

I think the /P is a bit more messy. a couple of years ago one of our
members sent out a huge pile of cards and he had his call sign appended
with /P5. Another question arose about DX, specifically Canada. How should
these be reported in ADIF



Dean Davis, N7XG

-------- Original Message --------
From: "rjlorenzen@... [N7XGlogsupport]"
<N7XGlogsupport@...>
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 4:08 PM
To: N7XGlogsupport@...
Subject: [N7XGlogsupport] Re: Future plans

Thanks for the feedback, Johnny. I haven't gone far enough along to see
much of a pattern for how people sign mobile, etc. You might consider
adding a duplicate qso without the /M suffix; it might up your match rate.
In all but one of my matched qsos with mobiles, they used just their base
callsigns.


As to ARRL not believing that I can be in two places at the same time,
they do accept our cards and we DO believe that! It is possible to get two
or three matches from state lines or tri-states. It is only neccessary for
the fixed station to upload duplicate qsos at slightly different times (a
minute difference works), else the records just overwrite each other. The
mobile just does a separate upload for each state (which is normal), but
again with the qsos at slightly different times. This gets more interesting
with mobile to mobile tri-states, however.


RJ, NA0L

---In N7XGlogsupport@..., <ki4wcq52@...> wrote :

RJ,

Yes, my thought was for LoTW. I log a station the way he signs his call.
If he says mobile, I log /M. Likewise if he says portable, it is /P or if
he says stoke 3 I log /3. Hopefully he has made a certifcate for the way he
signs on the air.

If the op uses LoTW, I usually get a match on the call. I have no control
on where he indicates he is, that is determined by the certificate he used
to sign the log...which means he would need multiple mobile or portable
certificates for the state visited and signs with the right one.

I have several LoTW confirms from W9OO/M and KT8D/M or W8JMF/M, to name a
few, from various states they operated from. Also, have them from no CCN
ops who signed their call and was recorded in that manner.

I will concede that not a lot of CCN folks use LoTW even operating from
home, let alone mobile or portable.

A check would work ok as you suggested.

The reason for the difficulty you note with state lines is that the
position of ARRL is that you can't be in two places at the same time.

73,
Johnny KI4WCQ


Re: N7XG Logger Email Tester

 

I forgot to mention this, and I'm not sure how much security gets removed, but beware! Security these days is very important in the fight against SPAM and email attacks.

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Hi Rick, You recently changed your security settings so that your Google Account wb5fdp@... is no longer protected by modern security standards.

Please be aware that it is now easier for an attacker to break into your account. You can make your account safer again by undoing this change , then switching to apps made by Google such as Gmail to access your account.

Don't recognize this activity?
Review your now. Best,
The Google Accounts team


Re: N7XG Logger Email Tester

 

Tested with Gmail, where you have to set the switch for "less secure" apps to access.

Log into your google console and on the security page, scroll to the bottom to find the slide switch.

smtp.gmail.com
port 465
gmail user name (like wb5fdp@...)
and your gmail password.

The "From" box must match your gmail address.

The test worked for me with these settings.


Re: Testing Email

 

TLS is usually on 587 but SSL is on 465.


Testing Email

 

It seems like port 465 is common for SSL/TLS



Dean Davis, N7XG


Re: N7XG Logger Email Tester

 

Tested with AT&T (sbcglobal uVerse account) and it works with SSL on port 465.

Rick - WB5FDP


N7XG Logger Email Tester

 

I have uploaded a little email tester that can be used to test the new email support I plan on adding to the logger. Specifically it hAS SSL/TLS support that is missing in version 5.02.01 and before. I have also used this tester with GMAIL and it works.

You will need to adjust some of the settings like port other wise you will get errors.

At one point I had a little list of email providers like GMAIL that did not work with the logger. I think that some of the ATT providers might be on this list.

Please provide to this message any failure/success.

Thanks.



Re: New file uploaded to N7XGlogsupport

 

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What is the purpose of the file. Is it to troubleshoot emailing problems??

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Dwight WF4H

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From: N7XGlogsupport@... [mailto:N7XGlogsupport@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 1:35 PM
To: N7XGlogsupport@...
Subject: [N7XGlogsupport] New file uploaded to N7XGlogsupport

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Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the N7XGlogsupport
group.

File : /N7XGSMTPmtest.exe
Uploaded by : kl7or
Description : N7XG Logger Email Tester with SMTP SSL/TLS support

You can access this file at the URL:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/N7XGlogsupport/files/N7XGSMTPmtest.exe

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398

Regards,

kl7or


New file uploaded to N7XGlogsupport

 

Hello,


This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the N7XGlogsupport
group.


File : /N7XGSMTPmtest.exe
Uploaded by : kl7or <dean@...>
Description : N7XG Logger Email Tester with SMTP SSL/TLS support


You can access this file at the URL:



To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:



Regards,


kl7or <dean@...>


Re: ADIF Export After Filter

 

I had all the contacts exported the first time I did it.? After that I selected? the block that was something like "latest contacts", and it exported from the end of the last time I did it.

It would be nice to be able to mark the first and last ones you wish to export, or indicate a range.? If you import contacts from another logger to N7XG as I did, those had been previously uploaded to LoTW, but the logger had no way of knowing that.? In that first export, it took a while.? LoTW will catch the dupes or you can upload them and let their server churn away.? That's the messy approach.

I prefer to cull the dupes, but a lot don't bother.


73,
Johnny KI4WCQ


Re: Future plans

 

RJ and Dean,

Now that RJ clarified the issue, I am confused!? lol

What I was seeking was that e.g., NA0L? Mobile? NM? 7.267.5 SSB? ends up being exported as NA0L/M along with the normal Freq and SSB. date, time, etc and whatever else is now in the ADI export.

I guess that means whatever is in the Mob/Port field determines what is appended.

Sorry for using the incorrect term of OPMODE or MODE in the original post.

73,
Johnny KI4WCQ


ADIF Export After Filter

 

My last post of the day, I promise!


When I do a CSV export after filtering the contact list, say by a date range, the export contains records for only those dates. ?When I do the same for ADIF export, I get the entire database! ?This takes a long time for 13,000 qsos. ?Should these two cases work the same?


RJ, NA0L



ADIF Comment Field Not Remarks

 

Dean,?


In my experience, when checking the Comment checkbox on the ADIF export screen, I do get a COMMENT field exported, but it is always zero length even when Remarks field is not empty. ?Shouldn't this field be the Remarks field from the database, or have I missed something?


RJ, NA0L



Re: Future plans

 


Thanks for the feedback, Johnny. ?I haven't gone far enough along to see much of a pattern for how people sign mobile, etc. ?You might consider adding a duplicate qso without the /M suffix; it might up your match rate. ?In all but one of my matched qsos with mobiles, they used just their base callsigns.

As to ARRL not believing that I can be in two places at the same time, they do accept our cards and we DO believe that! ?It is possible to get two or three matches from state lines or tri-states. ?It is only neccessary for the fixed station to upload duplicate qsos at slightly different times (a minute difference works), else the records just overwrite each other. ?The mobile just does a separate ?upload for each state (which is normal), but again with the qsos at slightly different times. This gets more interesting with mobile to mobile tri-states, however.

RJ, NA0L

---In N7XGlogsupport@..., <ki4wcq52@...> wrote :

RJ,

Yes, my thought was for LoTW.? I log a station the way he signs his call.? If he says mobile, I log /M.? Likewise if he says portable, it is /P or if he says stoke 3 I log /3.? Hopefully he has made a certifcate for the way he signs on the air.

If the op uses LoTW, I usually get a match on the call.? I have no control on where he indicates he is, that is determined by the certificate he used to sign the log...which means he would need? multiple mobile or portable certificates for the state visited and signs with the right one.

I have several LoTW confirms from W9OO/M and KT8D/M or W8JMF/M, to name a few,? from various states they operated from.? Also, have them from no CCN ops who signed their call and was recorded in that manner.

I will concede that not a lot of CCN folks use LoTW even operating from home, let alone mobile or portable.

A check would work ok as you suggested.

The reason for the difficulty you note with state lines is that the position of ARRL is that you can't be in two places at the same time.

73,
Johnny KI4WCQ


Re: Future plans

 


Thanks, Dean. ?However, by trying to make things clear, I seem to have confused things even more. ?I was inconsistent by referring to the called station's status fields (f, m, p) as both MOBILE and MODE. ?It is if course MOBILE, while MODE is for cw, ssb, etc. But then, OPMODE is for the called calling station's f,m, or p status! ?I have read these sentences several times and I believe they are correct ;-)

RJ, NA0L


---In N7XGlogsupport@..., <dean@...> wrote :

Johnny,
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I will make MODE an option on the export screen.
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Dean Davis, N7XG

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From: "ki4wcq52@... [N7XGlogsupport]" <N7XGlogsupport@...>
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 11:26 AM
To: N7XGlogsupport@...
Subject: re: [N7XGlogsupport] Re: Future plans
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Dean,

RJ's comment is what I wanted....MODE (not OPMODE) is what I'm after to append to the station I am working.

My OPMODE (and location) is not relevant for LoTW as that will be taken care of by selecting the proper certificate to sign an upload.

73,
Johnny KI4WCQ


Re: Future plans

 

Johnny,
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I will make MODE an option on the export screen.
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Dean Davis, N7XG

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From: "ki4wcq52@... [N7XGlogsupport]"
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 11:26 AM
To: N7XGlogsupport@...
Subject: re: [N7XGlogsupport] Re: Future plans
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Dean,

RJ's comment is what I wanted....MODE (not OPMODE) is what I'm after to append to the station I am working.

My OPMODE (and location) is not relevant for LoTW as that will be taken care of by selecting the proper certificate to sign an upload.

73,
Johnny KI4WCQ


Re: Future plans

 

Dean,

RJ's comment is what I wanted....MODE (not OPMODE) is what I'm after to append to the station I am working.

My OPMODE (and location) is not relevant for LoTW as that will be taken care of by selecting the proper certificate to sign an upload.

73,
Johnny KI4WCQ


Re: Future plans

 

Johnny,
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Yep, this should be an easy change and I will try and get it into the next release.
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Thanks for the suggestion.
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Dean Davis, N7XG

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From: "ki4wcq52@... [N7XGlogsupport]"
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 7:38 AM
To: N7XGlogsupport@...
Subject: [N7XGlogsupport] Re: Future plans
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Dean,

The only change I would like to see is in regards to ADIF export to avoid manual editing.

Could the OPMODE such as Portable or Mobile for a call be engineered so that the /P or /M is appended to a call upon export?? For example, N7XG Mobile is exported as N7XG/M.?

Johnny KI4WCQ


Re: Future plans

 

RJ,

Yes, my thought was for LoTW.? I log a station the way he signs his call.? If he says mobile, I log /M.? Likewise if he says portable, it is /P or if he says stoke 3 I log /3.? Hopefully he has made a certifcate for the way he signs on the air.

If the op uses LoTW, I usually get a match on the call.? I have no control on where he indicates he is, that is determined by the certificate he used to sign the log...which means he would need? multiple mobile or portable certificates for the state visited and signs with the right one.

I have several LoTW confirms from W9OO/M and KT8D/M or W8JMF/M, to name a few,? from various states they operated from.? Also, have them from no CCN ops who signed their call and was recorded in that manner.

I will concede that not a lot of CCN folks use LoTW even operating from home, let alone mobile or portable.

A check would work ok as you suggested.

The reason for the difficulty you note with state lines is that the position of ARRL is that you can't be in two places at the same time.

73,
Johnny KI4WCQ


Re: Future plans

 

Johnny,

Be careful what you wish for!

First off, so you think you know what I think you and I are talking about, in the database:

HIS state and mode (f,m,p) are known as STATE and MOBILE (and data appear as blank, Mobile, or Portable)

YOUR state and mode are known as OPSTATE and OPMODE (and data appear as Fixed, Mobile, or Portable)

So, you probably want MODE appended! ?I would suggest a checkbox to turn this on and off, because keep reading.

Also, for he/his/him, please read he/she/his/hers/him/her: I live in Boulder and these are parlous times ;-)

I'm not sure why you are manually editing the M and P into calls, but I suspect that it is for logging and/or reporting purposes. ?If you want to do it for LOTW, you might not want this. ?I have just started working up data to upload to lotw, and have been studying a few issues. ?When you work a mobile station, you have no way of knowing what he called himself, either base or base/M, or base/M/VE3, or base/VE3/M as these are all possible examples. ?Conversely, if I am mobile, he has no way of knowing whether I called myself na0l or na0l/m. ?To obtain a match in lotw, you have to get these right. ?If you haven't started lotw yet, you can get certificates, with which you upload data, in any combination of base call plus prefixes and suffixes. ?I have long felt that arrl made a big mistake in allowing this. ?There is another part of the upload process, called the Location Record, where this sort of stuff belongs.

My solution for the lotw problem is to upload duplicate qsos if he is mobile, one with his base call and another with /M appended. ?Likewise, if I am mobile, I make two separate uploads, one as na0l and another as na0l/m. ?I have just started uploading data and am only through 2006, before I started working mobile. ?So far, I have only seen one other station identify himself as /M. ?Just to make it harder, if he called himself /3, do I need to account for these too?

Just to make my life harder, when I worked state lines and tri-states, the logger entered multiple records with identical dates and times, but different opstates. ?I now have to go back and fix all those duplcate times so that they will show up as separate qsos for other logging purposes. ?If I had done this back when I was entering the data, they would all be done now!

Anyway, I am just getting started - this is why I suggested a separate group for logging discussions, and now I have one! ?And, I promise not to mention other logging programs which might be out there, other than lotw.

All for now,
RJ, NA0L

---In N7XGlogsupport@..., <ki4wcq52@...> wrote :

Dean,

The only change I would like to see is in regards to ADIF export to avoid manual editing.

Could the OPMODE such as Portable or Mobile for a call be engineered so that the /P or /M is appended to a call upon export?? For example, N7XG Mobile is exported as N7XG/M.?

Johnny KI4WCQ