File /ss files/PUI AOM5024 Frequency response etc.pdf uploaded
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The following files and folders have been uploaded to the Files area of the [email protected] group. /ss files/PUI AOM5024 Frequency response etc.pdf By: Stefano Simonelli <stefanosimonelli6@...> Description: Some frequency response measurements of 5024 simpleP48 etc
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AOM5024 "Modded 3-Wire" Approach
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Hi all - I am looking at the message board file by Stefano Simonelli (/g/MicBuilders/files/ss%20files/SimpleP48%20PUI%205024L%20HD%20FULL.pdf) and it seems that the "Modded 3-Wire" approach offers a significantly flatter frequency response. I'm having a little trouble finding a simple guide to building the "modded 3-wire", though - and I'm wondering if anyone had a clear explanation or some other links to share? It seems like I have to tamper with the electret element in order to do this, so I would like to be as precise as possible. Thanks! C
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JFET inside the AOM-5024
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Hi all, in case anyone else was wondering what JFET is inside the capsule: It is the Panasonic DSK3J02 (marking "3U"). Best regards, Nils
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SimpleP48 -- Polarity
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I have drawn this out showing the basics of the mic preamp with the two 6.8K resistors. If you want to maintain the phase relationship of the incoming audio you actually want the "+" terminal of the capsule going to Pin3 of the XLR. The circuit will work connecting pin 2 or 3. [image: SimpleP48Explain.png] -- Best Regards, Jules Ryckebusch 214 399 0931 Linkedin <https://www.linkedin.com/in/jules-ryckebusch/>
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P48 Phase Testing with impulses
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I recorded a couple handclaps and snap sounds with the SimpleP48 wired with pin3 to the capsule "+" and this is the resulting waveform. -- Best Regards, Jules Ryckebusch 214 399 0931 Linkedin
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Photo FET topology.jpg updated
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The following photos have been updated in the Scott Helmke photo album of the [email protected] group. FET topology.jpg By: Scott Helmke <scott@...>
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Where to buy electronics parts in the EU
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Greetings from Cork, and happy xmas to all. I'm a complete noob and just getting started with some very basic (very very basic) builds. Can any members recommend online stores to buy electronic components - wire, jacks, solder, resistors, boards, capsules etc in the EU? I used to buy various bits from the UK, pre-brexit, but customs now makes it v expensive. thanks so much D
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Electronic sthethoscope
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#Signaltonoiseratioandsensitivity
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Hi everyone, I am a cardiologist. For a fun activity, I am working on my own electronic sthethoscope design. Heart sounds are low frequency and low intense sounds. (About 20 to 1200 Hz). Are listened to by touching the skin surface, that makes them susceptible to motion artifacts. I am looking forward to the suggestions of the audio experts in this group on the following topics: Which mic capsule, amplifier circuit and ext. should I prefer? Is it better to make a diy circuit or are there commercial ones to handle my needs? I guess that mic sensitivity and frequency range is important, are there ways to electronically modify mic sensitivity? Which solutions can be made about motion artifacts? And what about noise cancelling? Thank you in advance?
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[allowed] Re: [MicBuilders] Electronic sthethoscope
#ratioandsensitivity
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#Signaltonoiseratioandsensitivity
And Sennheiser had a mic back in the 1960s with a frequency response extending to 0.1 Hz. It was an omnidirectional condenser mic using low-voltage RF bias on the capsule. Using RF bias, there is much less restriction on how low a frequency can be measured. Sennheiser MKH 110: Frequency response 1-20,000 Hz Sennheiser MKH 110/1: Frequency response 0.1-20,000 Hz (I believe there was also a MKH 110/2; I do not know its frequency response limits)
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Primo EM200 + simple P48
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Hello, I have just ordered a pair of em200 caps from Micbuilders and intend to use them with the simple P48 circuit. I have looked in the files section but can't find a recommendation for the resistor value and wonder if anyone suggest a value please? Thanks very much, Ross
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Transformer sound signatures
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A brief description of old consoles¡¯ transformer sound signatures and why dirt and distortion are sought after: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDHfV-AR8JY The two classes of transformer distortion also apply to mic circuits. Driving the transformer from a high impedance plate (C-12 & 251) vs a low impedance cathode (APEX 460), for instance. However I don¡¯t find audible 3rd harmonic in the optimized 460 CCDA mic. It¡¯s all 2nd. That¡¯s the thing about folklore, simulation, and theory - real circuits don¡¯t always behave as predicted. Personally, back in them good ol¡¯ analog daze when everything was ¡°whipped cream¡±, I sought out stuff that sounded like live music. I still do. Whipped cream is good occasionally on a confection, but not on my meat and potatoes, please.
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SimpleP48 updated
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After more than a decade, I've finally made more SimpleP48 mikes for my own use ... but found the passage of time hasn't been kind to my eyes. I found several errors and misleading info in my June 2020 document. In particular, the first diagram is wrong and likely to cause errors for newbie & guru alike. To my horror, I had intimated that gurus Henry Spragen & Rick Wilkinson wired their versions wrongly. :o Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa I'm really sinking deep into my beach bum existence but these sins prompted me to revise, correct & expand the document in my Files. Please let me know if you find anymore errors or disagree with what I've written. I'm indebted to various people who have sent me Word documents converted from the PDF in my Files as I've lost all my original work this Millenium in a number of HD crashes. I can heartily recommend capsules which have wires already soldered to them to avoid damage from inept & blind beach bums waving soldering irons. On the bright side, the new capsules eg the PUIs available from Mouser really show what is possible to rival $$$ commercial microphone offerings.
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JLI-103 vs TSC-1/TSC-2
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A new poll has been created: Hi everyone, I'm interested in building a true condenser microphone, likely by following DJJules' guide. I saw that JLI recently released a new true condenser capsule. How does this compare to the TSC-1/TSC-2? 1. JLI-103 2. TSC-1/TSC-2 Click Here To Vote Do not reply to this message to vote in the poll. You can vote in polls only through the group's website.
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Electret behavior with low input-Z preamp
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Dear mic experts, I'm trying to design a discrete amplifier for an electret capsule and have quite a technical question that is puzzling me. The device is a PUI AOM-5024L. I encountered the possibility of driving the capsule with a (common-emitter) preamp that has an input impedance much lower than the capsule itself. Say the electret has 2.2k out-Z, while the preamp would have 850 in-Z. I know this will result in huge attenuation, but this is not a problem for me but rather an advantage. It means lower resistance (noise) on the preamp's first stage bias and the possibility of bypassing later stages for capturing loud environments¨Cwhich is problematic with this very sensitive capsule. However, I don't know if loading the electret with a much lower impedance will affect ie. the capsule's frequency response (flatness) or its maximum headroom. Since there is a JFET buffer in between inside the cartridge, I tend to think that the JFET would absorb the load or separate and only attenuation would be affected, but I'm not sure about it. Has anyone for instance seen or done frequency and/or headroom measurements on (JFET) electrets at different loading impedances? Or have any theoretical clues about this? I've read opinions that overloaded mics tend to sound bassy, lack highs or sound 'obscure' whatever that means, but might be that those comments refer to passive mics. All opinions are more than welcome. Best regards, Domingo
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Cheap, Makeshift Parabolic Dishes?
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Hey all - I'm curious if people here have any recommendations for cheap, makeshift parabolic reflectors? I'd like to experiment a bit with the idea, but I'm hesitant to spend $80 on some meticulously curved glass. Are there any interesting alternatives? Thanks!
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OPA-Based Binaural Head
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Hello, Been lurking this group for a while and finally got around to actually building something! About 2 years ago I had some extra MDF lying around so I decided it would be fun to make my very own Binaural Head. I based the shape off of the Neumann KU-100 and used a projector to draft some stencils approximating the size of my own head (it ended up being a tad over-sized). After rough cutting/routing the 9 layers I needed to make up the width of the head I ended up with this monstrosity After some diligent work with an angle grinder, sanding flap disk, and an old can of urethane clear coat the head was looking pretty good. I then entered the final semester of my EE degree and became very busy with my senior design project so I put the head project on hold. Months turned into years and the head got kicked around my house as my attention turned to more pressing matters. All the while I could feel the hollow, blank stare of the binaural head-to-be piercing into my core. Well, free time finally made itself available to me once again and I decided to turn this 10 lb mannequin head into a proper microphone. The original plan was to base the impedance converter on a Calrec schematic given to me by a friend. After a few failed attempts I decided instead to modify the popular OPA design that originates from this forum. Since I had already purchased the transformers I opted for a paralleled amplifier configuration. Douglas Self covers this technique in Small Signal Audio Design and details its improved load driving capabilities and reduced self-noise compared to a single opamp. Now, I am not sure whether the noise performance is actually improved when the source impedance is so high. Someone here may have a better idea but I would think that this configuration would reduce the input Z of the amplifier and cancel out any reduction in noise you typically get from a parallel amp combo (corrections welcome). The capsules I am using are the Omni caps that came with my pair of Lauten LA-120's (good mics btw). They happened to be about the same diameter as a 7/8" Ryobi forstner bit I had so I simply marked their location and drilled holes on both sides of the head. I carefully disassembled the caps and soldered the shield of some mic cable I had to the threaded brass ring that holds in the back plate. After re-assembling the caps I soldered the twisted pair to the back plate connection. I cut this lead to be as short as possible and pressure fit the capsules into the head. After laying out the circuit in Kicad I etched and drilled a pair of boards. I used some metal 1-gang outlet boxes from HD and some scrap metal from an old receiver as shielding. I drilled a pair of holes in the back of the neck (using the same 7/8" bit) and wired up some Neutrik XLR bulkheads I had laying around. Overall I'm pretty satisfied with the result, I included a short recording of myself on drums as an initial test. I plan on dusting off my 3D printer and printing out a pair of human ears to help achieve that HRTF stereo image goodness. Update to follow.
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electrets with lobar patterns?
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Hi there - i was wondering if there are electret elements with lobar patterns. i'm not seeing any on a simple google search - and i'm curious about why that might be. Thanks!
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K87 capsule with isolated backplates
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Hi Everyone, I have been asked to temporarily fit some K87 capsules to some U87's while their capsules are refurbished. Can anyone recommend a cheap source of good K87 capsules with isolated backplates? Considering they are just to keep the mics going they don't want to spend a fortune which puts the micparts RK87 out of budget. Thanks for any advice Chris
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capsule array self-noise
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I've read that an advantage of a cluster of capsules is a decrease in noise (or is it just increased S:N?). If lower, why? Can the array's noise be lower than that of a single capsule of that model? Thanks in advance John Thaden
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PUI AUM 4537L-HD-R
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Bought 8 of these ...Wired up and put on my drum overheads and was impressed ...Noticed a clarity I didnt get with Octava O12s or My AKG 451s with CK-1 capsules...Or My MXL 603s mics...S/N is at 69db so not as good as a lot of mics but they beat out all my other mics...Even on kick they sound fantastic...Also A very good vocal mic with windscreen...Recorded the drums and the sound was still there.....Used the schematic with one resistor from pin 2 to ground..
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