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Re: AOM5024 "Modded 3-Wire" Approach


 

Hi Casey -
I am talking about the low frequency response rather than the whole response - but my understanding is that the graphs on Page 4 refer to "V1" through "V5", which are all Simple P48.?

On Page 6, my understanding was that it was talking about V6 (three-wire) and V9 (RCA).

I could be reading this all wrong, though - and maybe it's worth saying, it truly is confusing how many variations and partial explanations there are about something that purports to be "simple"...? I don't think I ever would have figured out that "JLM" was the same thing as the three-wire approach, if you hadn't said anything.

Essentially, I have some AOM 5024s. I'd like to use circuitry around them to have the best low-frequency response, lowest noise, and smallest part count - preferably nothing with additional transistors or taking apart a capsule - do you have a sense of where I should be looking?


On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 10:34?PM Casey via <mbuilders=[email protected]> wrote:

Make sure you are looking at the correct graph -- AFAIK the frequency responses are about equivalent in terms of flatness. Maybe you are confusing the low frequency section with the whole spectrum? The graphs to compare are on page 6 (lower graph) and on page 4 (middle graph).

The "modded 3 wires" in the Simonelli document is AKA the "Jerry Lee Marcel" mod, JLM mod, or "Marcel mod". The SP48 doc here mentions it as well, on page 7.

The main reason for the mod is to reduce sensitivity (i.e. to handle loud sounds better.)

To modify a 2-wire capsule, you do the "linkwitz" mod to it -- exactly how this is done depends on the capsule you are using, but if you google for that you should be able to dig up some info. Let me know if not. However note that you can also use a 3-wire capsule and you don't need to mod it.

In case you still want to build the JLM variant, here are my notes, gathered from many wise people here (sorry my notes don't credit authors here):

The third version introduces Jerry¡¯s 2k2 between the FET source and the capsule case. To do this, a 2 wire capsule like WM61a must be modified to 3 wire or a 3 wire capsule like Primo EM182 used.

This does the following :
? Gain & Sensitivity reduced by 9.3dB ie 9.3dB current feedback
? Max. output (2.7% THD) increased by 10.6dB
? Together this increases the max. spl by 20dB for 2.7% THD to 135dB spl .. a very good spec
It also
? increases the Output Z but as this is already probably 50k, it is of no consequence
? increases the inherent electrical noise (assuming FET, capsule, preamp are noiseless) by about 3dB (The other noise contribution in this supa circuit is the 2k Input Z of the preamp).

...

JLM mod increases max SPL about 21dB, lowers sensitivity, and with primo capsule might increase noise by about 1dB.

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2k2 & 120k as suggested by Jerry & tested by Stefano is certainly a good starting point for their low THD mod.? Adjust the 120k for Vds between 5-10V

...

Will just point out that though the 2k won't degrade the noise of WM61a (tested), the Primo EM184/172s will probably see about 1dB more noise (theoretical).

"If you do the "Marcel mod", the 2k2 MUST be AT the capsule .. even if R1 & C1 are at the XLR.? After modifying the capsule to insert the 2k2, you treat the assembly (which is now a 3 terminal device) like a 2 terminal capsule by ignoring the source connection."

-c


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