John, Running Mach3 on both, I have a VFD on the Router and the Lathe. I set the on/off and speed manually on the lathe, the Router on/off is with code.
Both are Huanyang VFD's, I used to be able to control speed of the Router via RS485, but that stopped working awhile ago. So I just do it manually.
Never could get the Lathe RS485 going.
Steve
On Sunday, June 13, 2021, 2:50:05 PM CDT, John Dammeyer <johnd@...> wrote:
Quick little survey on what everyone has on their machine for spindle control. ? 1. Do you have a VFD on a 3 phase motor for Lathe or Mill. ? 2. Does the CNC controller drive the spindle or do you set the speed and ON/OFF manually? ? Just curious John ? ? "ELS! Nothing else works as well for your Lathe" Automation Artisans Inc. www dot autoartisans dot com ?
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John,
I'm using G-code through Mach 3 to drive an on-off relay for my
Sherline spindle, and set the speed manually.
Thayer
On 6/13/21 3:49 PM, John Dammeyer
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Quick little
survey on what everyone has on their machine for spindle
control.
?
1. Do you
have a VFD on a 3 phase motor for Lathe or Mill.
?
2. Does the
CNC controller drive the spindle or do you set the speed and
ON/OFF manually?
?
Just curious
John
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I believe you definitely need an encoder on the spindle itself or toothed belt and use encoder on motor if it has one.? Power tapping has to be closed loop. ? John ? ?
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Sent: June-13-21 2:26 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Spindle Control? I’ve never tried. ? But, I think that you might need an in-band spindle for power tapping. ? ? Andy, Is ModBus fast enough for reversing and tracking for power tapping? John ? ? ? ? VFD w/ 3-phase motor on both lathe and mill, controlled by Mach4 thru Modbus. ? ? Quick little survey on what everyone has on their machine for spindle control. ? 1. Do you have a VFD on a 3 phase motor for Lathe or Mill. ? 2. Does the CNC controller drive the spindle or do you set the speed and ON/OFF manually? ? Just curious John ? ? "ELS! Nothing else works as well for your Lathe" Automation Artisans Inc. www dot autoartisans dot com ?
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I’ve never tried. ? But, I think that you might need an in-band spindle for power tapping. ?
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Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Spindle Control? Andy, Is ModBus fast enough for reversing and tracking for power tapping? John ? ? ? ? VFD w/ 3-phase motor on both lathe and mill, controlled by Mach4 thru Modbus. ? ? Quick little survey on what everyone has on their machine for spindle control. ? 1. Do you have a VFD on a 3 phase motor for Lathe or Mill. ? 2. Does the CNC controller drive the spindle or do you set the speed and ON/OFF manually? ? Just curious John ? ? "ELS! Nothing else works as well for your Lathe" Automation Artisans Inc. www dot autoartisans dot com ?
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Andy, Is ModBus fast enough for reversing and tracking for power tapping? John ? ? ?
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Sent: June-13-21 2:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Spindle Control? VFD w/ 3-phase motor on both lathe and mill, controlled by Mach4 thru Modbus. ? ? Quick little survey on what everyone has on their machine for spindle control. ? 1. Do you have a VFD on a 3 phase motor for Lathe or Mill. ? 2. Does the CNC controller drive the spindle or do you set the speed and ON/OFF manually? ? Just curious John ? ? "ELS! Nothing else works as well for your Lathe" Automation Artisans Inc. www dot autoartisans dot com ?
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VFD w/ 3-phase motor on both lathe and mill, controlled by Mach4 thru Modbus. ?
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Subject: [MachCNC] Spindle Control? Quick little survey on what everyone has on their machine for spindle control. ? 1. Do you have a VFD on a 3 phase motor for Lathe or Mill. ? 2. Does the CNC controller drive the spindle or do you set the speed and ON/OFF manually? ? Just curious John ? ? "ELS! Nothing else works as well for your Lathe" Automation Artisans Inc. www dot autoartisans dot com ?
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I have a VFD controlled spindle on my router and this is controlled via my gcode. Cheers Calum
On 14 June 2021 at 07:49 John Dammeyer <johnd@...> wrote:
Quick little survey on what everyone has on their machine for spindle control. ? 1. Do you have a VFD on a 3 phase motor for Lathe or Mill. ? 2. Does the CNC controller drive the spindle or do you set the speed and ON/OFF manually? ? Just curious John ? ? "ELS! Nothing else works as well for your Lathe" Automation Artisans Inc. www dot autoartisans dot com ?
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VFD 3 phase motor manually speed set and on/off. ?
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Subject: [MachCNC] Spindle Control? Quick little survey on what everyone has on their machine for spindle control. ? 1. Do you have a VFD on a 3 phase motor for Lathe or Mill. ? 2. Does the CNC controller drive the spindle or do you set the speed and ON/OFF manually? ? Just curious John ? ? "ELS! Nothing else works as well for your Lathe" Automation Artisans Inc. www dot autoartisans dot com ?
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Quick little survey on what everyone has on their machine for spindle control. ? 1. Do you have a VFD on a 3 phase motor for Lathe or Mill. ? 2. Does the CNC controller drive the spindle or do you set the speed and ON/OFF manually? ? Just curious John ? ? "ELS! Nothing else works as well for your Lathe" Automation Artisans Inc. www dot autoartisans dot com ?
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Re: Mach4 Coil Winder Screen
That is not Epic at all! LOL
I will see if I can get it to download
______________________________
Brian Barker
Engineering / Devlopment
ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions
Livermore Falls, Maine (USA)
Phone: 207(618)1449
Webpage:
On 6/11/2021 12:37 AM, Andy Wander
wrote:
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I see that the
Coil Winder screen is on the website, but when I try to
download it I get:
?
Epic 404 - Article Not Found
?
?
?
Good question.... BRB
______________________________
?
Brian Barker
Engineering / Devlopment
ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions
Livermore Falls, Maine (USA)
Phone: 207(618)1449
Webpage:
On 4/28/2021 9:51 AM, Andy Wander wrote:
Hi Brian:
?
Any word on
this?
?
?
They have it and I asked them to send it to you months
ago!? Blah, I will tell them again to get it sent off.. The
Coil winder screen is one of the screens set to be released
on the new screens page for Mach4.
______________________________
?
Brian Barker
Engineering / Devlopment
ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions
Livermore Falls, Maine (USA)
Phone: 207(618)1449
Webpage:
On 4/4/2021 8:55 PM, Andy Wander wrote:
Hey, Brian,
anything?
?
?
Hi Brian,
it’s been a couple of months again-do you know if there
has been any progress on this?
?
?
They
guys should have been testing it...
I will hit them again for a status.. Sorry they have
been using it as fill in work.
Thanks
Brian
______________________________
?
Brian Barker
Engineering / Devlopment
ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions
Livermore Falls, Maine (USA)
Phone: 207(618)1449
Webpage:
On 11/30/2020 11:44 PM, Andy Wander
wrote:
Brian,
any movement on this?
?
?
Hey, man,
any word?
?
?
Good question! Let me talk to the
guys. This slipped my mind. I am getting old or
something :)
______________________________
?
Brian Barker
Engineering / Devlopment
ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions
Livermore Falls, Maine (USA)
Phone: 207(618)1449
Webpage:
On 9/1/2020 10:11 PM, Andy Wander
wrote:
Hey,
Brian, has there been any progress on the Coil
Winder screens?
?
?
I don't know how long the coil
winder is going to take but Brett seems to think the
press brake tables should be ready for testing in a
few days. Coil winder is after that. Rob got the
screen done so it is just the Lua code to make the
Gcode files to drive the winder.
On 7/6/2020 12:57 PM, Andy Wander wrote:
Thanks,
Brian-I’m good for now.
?
I’ll
nag you about the Coil Winder and the Spindle
speed thing in a couple of weeks.
?
?
Rob is on the floor now working
on the laser we are putting new motors and drives
in :( We are juggling a TON right now. If you seem
to be all set lets roll with it. We are trying
hard to get a new Rev out and I think it will fix
most issues.
On 7/6/2020 11:03 AM, Andy Wander wrote:
Thanks,
Brian-no big rush on the coil winder, I just
don’t want to forget about it.
?
I
tested the Turn Cycles yesterday evening and
they are all working now as well.
?
Do
the only problem I now have is #4, the Spindle
Speed being reset when I first press ENABL after
starting Mach4.
?
I
got an email from Rob this morning, and I tried
to call him, but I just got a message telling me
your hours, and then some music.
?
I
don’t know if we really need to talk, though,
since ESS 258 and Mach4 4517 seem to have solved
almost all of my problems.
?
?
Hi Andy,
1. I have Brett working on a screen for an OEM
and it is taking a bit more time than I would
like :( When that is done he will go over what
Rob has and building a release.
2. Rob had a setup to test the ESS on the
machine by his desk Friday. I didn't know he
didn't get back to you, sorry about that. I have
informed him of your progress.
3. Check the mill manual, I have someone going
over the manual and checking them for the next
release. Attached you will find a section of
header file, look at that and tell me what you
think (start at line number 2113)
4. I don't fully understand why you would want
to have the Spindle Speed at start up but lets
do that after the rest of this is done please :)
Thanks
Brian
On 7/5/2020 3:45 PM, Andy Wander wrote:
Hi
Brian:
?
1_
Has there been any progress on that Coil
Winder Screen?
?
2_
I didn’t hear from Rob, but I wanted to report
that most of my issues appear to have been
solved by ESS v258 along with Mach4 4517. I
still need to confirm that the issue with the
Turn Cycles getting locked out is solved;
haven’t had a chance to test that….
?
3_
Is there an accurate list anywhere of the
Pound Variables for Mach4? I have only been
able to find one dated 2015 by Scott Shafer,
and I know that at least one of the variables
in there is wrong…..
?
4_
I’ve got the issues with Mach4 not remembering
spindle speed and such between shutting down
and restart solved. I took the code that wrote
the saved values on startup, out of the
Startup Script, and put it in the “first-Run
only” section of the PLC code. This seems to
work fine, EXCEPT that when I hit ENABLE for
the first time after startup, it overwrites
the correct value that has been put into the S
DRO by the PLC script, and sets it to 0. This
only happens the first time I ENABLE MACH4,
after that, if I set a value for S, it stays
there through DISSABLE/ENABLE cycles. Any idea
on what to look for? I couldn’t find anything
in any of the screen scripts that does
anything to the S word on ENABLE, or any place
that treats ENABLE differently on the first
time it is pressed after startup
?
?
?
Rob is done the first round
of getting machines ready for release testing
so I have told him today is your test of turn.
He may be contacting you... As for the coil
winder screen Rob got most of that done before
his return back to work. I was going to have
Brett continue on with this as soon as he is
done the bending software I have him doing. We
have lots of projects we are working on so
thanks for asking about the progress!
Thanks
Brian
On 6/28/2020 4:35 PM, Andy Wander wrote:
Hi
Brian:
?
Did
they get anywhere with the coil winder
screen?
?
What
about this weird problem with the Turn
Cycles? (they sure are great, when they
work!)
?
?
?
Hi
Brian-new update:
?
I
was able to finish the part I was working
on, but I started getting FIFO Velocity
Buffer underrun errors from the ESS.
?
Then,
the ESS started randomly going offline
without telling me.
?
I
reverted to ESS v254, and Mach4 V4.2.0.4322,
and these problems went away(the FIFO and
the ESS going offline.)
?
I
made a couple more parts using Late today,
and everything was working fine, using the
Turn Cycles for Facing, Turning, and
Threading.
?
Then
I tried a Rounding operation using Turn
Cycles.
?
The
Gcode looked OK, so I ran it, and it did all
the roughing cuts about ?” out from the end
of the stock, without actually cutting
anything-then it moved in to where it should
have been and did the single finishing cut,
taking off all of the stock that should have
been done during roughing.
?
I
attached a screen shot of the Mach toolpath
window, as well as the .tap file for the
Rounding operation.
?
I
“may” have entered an incorrect setting in
the Turn cycle entry screen, but when I went
to check, I cannot get the saved cycle to
open for editing, and I can’t get any of the
Turn cycles to open when clicking on their
buttons. I get a message that says,
Unable to show
wizard 4: wxLua: Expected a 'wxColour' for
parameter 2, but got a 'nil'.
Function called:
'SetBackgroundColour(wxButton, nil)'
- wxWindow::SetBackgroundColour(wxWindow(self),
wxColour)
?
I’ve
tried closing and reopening Mach4, and also
reinstalling Mach4, and I still can’t get at
any of the Turn Cycles.
?
?
Hi Andy,
This is a step in the right direction! We
have a few more machines we need to get
working so we can get to the testing of the
next release testing. We have the Matsuura
500 and the plasma table we need to get
ready. The goal is to have them both
finished this week so we can start testing
Friday. This is when we will setup and test
the ESS.
Thanks for the report
?Brian
On 6/13/2020 3:16 PM, Andy Wander wrote:
Hi Brian:
?
I have some more
info and results on the threading cycle
not working.
?
Today, I backed up
my current installation, and installed ESS
v257, and Mach4 4.2.0.4517
?
I needed to make a
part that had a couple of different
diameters, and an external M14 thread at
each end.
?
The turning was
uneventful, but when I used the Turn
Cycles screen to generate code for the
first M14 thread, and tried to run it, it
hung up on the G76 line just as the
Internal thread had been doing earlier!
Then, I realized that I had accidentally
generated code for an Internal thread,
but, this time, it was different, as the
actual Spindle Speed display on the screen
was very intermittent, usually staying at
“0”, but occasionally flashing the actual
measured RPM. This didn’t happen with the
installation that I originally reported
this problem on.
?
So, I thought maybe
my lathe Spindle Speed sensor had gotten
damaged or something. At this point, I set
the machine back to in/min mode, and
started the spindle up, and the on-screen
Spindle Speed display worked perfectly.
Going back into the threading cycle, and
in/rev mode, the display was wonky again.
?
Then, I remembered
that the release notes for the ESS v257
plugin had mentioned something about a new
check box to tell the ESS whether or not
to report the spindle speed. I found that
check box in the ESS setup, and unchecked
it. Testing showed the same problem still
remained.
?
I then looked at the
Spindle setting on the ESS setup page, and
changed it from PWM to “OB”.
?
That did it, the
threading cycle now works, whether ID or
OD threading.
?
I still have the
smaller problem of the spindle making the
CLUNK when it gets turned on again while
it is already on. I went into config and
disabled the Spindle ON, Spindle FWD and
Spindle REV pins in Mach4. This stuff was
all in there because I never disabled it
when I went to my Modbus controlled
s[pindle. Alas, this made no difference, I
still get the Clunk…
?
?
?
?
They are
working on a coil winder screen and have
the first part of it done.
They did a bunch of testing and could not
make your issue happen. We have just
started working back at the office where
we have all the hardware for testing. We
are getting the machines ready for release
testing now and one of the things that
will be tested is your issue. We are doing
the best we can in this screwy time.
Thanks
Brian
On 6/11/2020 8:07 AM,
Andy Wander wrote:
Hi Brian:
?
Have you had a
chance to work on this?
?
Also any? progress
on the coil winder screenset?
?
?
That may be from
my PLC script. I am interrogating the
Modbus MPG register on my pendant.
?
?
Do you have any idea
what is spamming for the MPG? I don't
think this is causing you an issue, it
is just bad practice and I would like to
eliminate as many vars as I can. I was
going to see if I could clean the
profile and figure this out! I have a
few things going on but I am trying to
get this done as quickly as I can.
Thanks
Brian
On 6/3/2020 12:46 PM, Andy Wander wrote:
I used to use
relays and PWM to control my spindle,
but now I use the Modbus plugin.
?
I think that I
left the relay/PWM config alone, and
just added the modbus stuff. So Mack4
may be sending controls for both
methods.
?
Pretty sure I
disconnected the relays and PWM/0-10V
from the VFD though. I will check that
in a bit.
?
?
I need your profile
please. I don't understand what is
firing output #54 I think I am getting
a better idea what is going on!
Thanks
Brian
n 6/3/2020 11:09 AM, Andy Wander
wrote:
Hi Brian:
?
The logging
window is confusing because the SAVE
button is at the bottom, but there
is also a “log to file” button up at
the top. What does that top button
do?
?
I don’t think
this can be a hardware issue, as
external threading code from the
Turn Cycle works fine every time.
?
Also,
yesterday, after I STOPped an
unworking internal threading
program, I came back a few hours
later, rewound and ran the same
code, and it worked! Just once
though, after that it would hang on
the 2nd G76 line uust
like before.
?
Attached is a
log file; can you? see anything
strange in there?
Attachments:
- G76 that
stops on second G76 line.log
?
?
?
?
?
?
Attachments:
- MachAPI.h
?
?
?
?
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Re: Mach4 Coil Winder Screen
I see that the Coil Winder screen is on the website, but when I try to download it I get: ? Epic 404 - Article Not Found ? ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian Barker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 10:40 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Mach4 Coil Winder Screen? Good question.... BRB ______________________________ ? Brian Barker Engineering / Devlopment ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions Livermore Falls, Maine (USA) Phone: 207(618)1449 Webpage: On 4/28/2021 9:51 AM, Andy Wander wrote: Hi Brian: ? Any word on this? ? ? They have it and I asked them to send it to you months ago!? Blah, I will tell them again to get it sent off.. The Coil winder screen is one of the screens set to be released on the new screens page for Mach4. ______________________________ ? Brian Barker Engineering / Devlopment ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions Livermore Falls, Maine (USA) Phone: 207(618)1449 Webpage: On 4/4/2021 8:55 PM, Andy Wander wrote: Hey, Brian, anything? ? ? Hi Brian, it’s been a couple of months again-do you know if there has been any progress on this? ? ? They guys should have been testing it...
I will hit them again for a status.. Sorry they have been using it as fill in work.
Thanks
Brian ______________________________ ? Brian Barker Engineering / Devlopment ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions Livermore Falls, Maine (USA) Phone: 207(618)1449 Webpage: On 11/30/2020 11:44 PM, Andy Wander wrote: Brian, any movement on this? ? ? Hey, man, any word? ? ? Good question! Let me talk to the guys. This slipped my mind. I am getting old or something :) ______________________________ ? Brian Barker Engineering / Devlopment ArtSoft | Newfangled Solutions Livermore Falls, Maine (USA) Phone: 207(618)1449 Webpage: On 9/1/2020 10:11 PM, Andy Wander wrote: Hey, Brian, has there been any progress on the Coil Winder screens? ? ? I don't know how long the coil winder is going to take but Brett seems to think the press brake tables should be ready for testing in a few days. Coil winder is after that. Rob got the screen done so it is just the Lua code to make the Gcode files to drive the winder.
On 7/6/2020 12:57 PM, Andy Wander wrote: Thanks, Brian-I’m good for now. ? I’ll nag you about the Coil Winder and the Spindle speed thing in a couple of weeks. ? ? Rob is on the floor now working on the laser we are putting new motors and drives in :( We are juggling a TON right now. If you seem to be all set lets roll with it. We are trying hard to get a new Rev out and I think it will fix most issues.
On 7/6/2020 11:03 AM, Andy Wander wrote: Thanks, Brian-no big rush on the coil winder, I just don’t want to forget about it. ? I tested the Turn Cycles yesterday evening and they are all working now as well. ? Do the only problem I now have is #4, the Spindle Speed being reset when I first press ENABL after starting Mach4. ? I got an email from Rob this morning, and I tried to call him, but I just got a message telling me your hours, and then some music. ? I don’t know if we really need to talk, though, since ESS 258 and Mach4 4517 seem to have solved almost all of my problems. ? ? Hi Andy,
1. I have Brett working on a screen for an OEM and it is taking a bit more time than I would like :( When that is done he will go over what Rob has and building a release.
2. Rob had a setup to test the ESS on the machine by his desk Friday. I didn't know he didn't get back to you, sorry about that. I have informed him of your progress.
3. Check the mill manual, I have someone going over the manual and checking them for the next release. Attached you will find a section of header file, look at that and tell me what you think (start at line number 2113)
4. I don't fully understand why you would want to have the Spindle Speed at start up but lets do that after the rest of this is done please :)
Thanks
Brian
On 7/5/2020 3:45 PM, Andy Wander wrote: Hi Brian: ? 1_ Has there been any progress on that Coil Winder Screen? ? 2_ I didn’t hear from Rob, but I wanted to report that most of my issues appear to have been solved by ESS v258 along with Mach4 4517. I still need to confirm that the issue with the Turn Cycles getting locked out is solved; haven’t had a chance to test that…. ? 3_ Is there an accurate list anywhere of the Pound Variables for Mach4? I have only been able to find one dated 2015 by Scott Shafer, and I know that at least one of the variables in there is wrong….. ? 4_ I’ve got the issues with Mach4 not remembering spindle speed and such between shutting down and restart solved. I took the code that wrote the saved values on startup, out of the Startup Script, and put it in the “first-Run only” section of the PLC code. This seems to work fine, EXCEPT that when I hit ENABLE for the first time after startup, it overwrites the correct value that has been put into the S DRO by the PLC script, and sets it to 0. This only happens the first time I ENABLE MACH4, after that, if I set a value for S, it stays there through DISSABLE/ENABLE cycles. Any idea on what to look for? I couldn’t find anything in any of the screen scripts that does anything to the S word on ENABLE, or any place that treats ENABLE differently on the first time it is pressed after startup ? ? ? Rob is done the first round of getting machines ready for release testing so I have told him today is your test of turn. He may be contacting you... As for the coil winder screen Rob got most of that done before his return back to work. I was going to have Brett continue on with this as soon as he is done the bending software I have him doing. We have lots of projects we are working on so thanks for asking about the progress!
Thanks
Brian
On 6/28/2020 4:35 PM, Andy Wander wrote: Hi Brian: ? Did they get anywhere with the coil winder screen? ? What about this weird problem with the Turn Cycles? (they sure are great, when they work!) ? ? ? Hi Brian-new update: ? I was able to finish the part I was working on, but I started getting FIFO Velocity Buffer underrun errors from the ESS. ? Then, the ESS started randomly going offline without telling me. ? I reverted to ESS v254, and Mach4 V4.2.0.4322, and these problems went away(the FIFO and the ESS going offline.) ? I made a couple more parts using Late today, and everything was working fine, using the Turn Cycles for Facing, Turning, and Threading. ? Then I tried a Rounding operation using Turn Cycles. ? The Gcode looked OK, so I ran it, and it did all the roughing cuts about ?” out from the end of the stock, without actually cutting anything-then it moved in to where it should have been and did the single finishing cut, taking off all of the stock that should have been done during roughing. ? I attached a screen shot of the Mach toolpath window, as well as the .tap file for the Rounding operation. ? I “may” have entered an incorrect setting in the Turn cycle entry screen, but when I went to check, I cannot get the saved cycle to open for editing, and I can’t get any of the Turn cycles to open when clicking on their buttons. I get a message that says, Unable to show wizard 4: wxLua: Expected a 'wxColour' for parameter 2, but got a 'nil'. Function called: 'SetBackgroundColour(wxButton, nil)' - wxWindow::SetBackgroundColour(wxWindow(self), wxColour)
? I’ve tried closing and reopening Mach4, and also reinstalling Mach4, and I still can’t get at any of the Turn Cycles. ? ? Hi Andy,
This is a step in the right direction! We have a few more machines we need to get working so we can get to the testing of the next release testing. We have the Matsuura 500 and the plasma table we need to get ready. The goal is to have them both finished this week so we can start testing Friday. This is when we will setup and test the ESS.
Thanks for the report
?Brian
On 6/13/2020 3:16 PM, Andy Wander wrote: Hi Brian: ? I have some more info and results on the threading cycle not working. ? Today, I backed up my current installation, and installed ESS v257, and Mach4 4.2.0.4517 ? I needed to make a part that had a couple of different diameters, and an external M14 thread at each end. ? The turning was uneventful, but when I used the Turn Cycles screen to generate code for the first M14 thread, and tried to run it, it hung up on the G76 line just as the Internal thread had been doing earlier! Then, I realized that I had accidentally generated code for an Internal thread, but, this time, it was different, as the actual Spindle Speed display on the screen was very intermittent, usually staying at “0”, but occasionally flashing the actual measured RPM. This didn’t happen with the installation that I originally reported this problem on. ? So, I thought maybe my lathe Spindle Speed sensor had gotten damaged or something. At this point, I set the machine back to in/min mode, and started the spindle up, and the on-screen Spindle Speed display worked perfectly. Going back into the threading cycle, and in/rev mode, the display was wonky again. ? Then, I remembered that the release notes for the ESS v257 plugin had mentioned something about a new check box to tell the ESS whether or not to report the spindle speed. I found that check box in the ESS setup, and unchecked it. Testing showed the same problem still remained. ? I then looked at the Spindle setting on the ESS setup page, and changed it from PWM to “OB”. ? That did it, the threading cycle now works, whether ID or OD threading. ? I still have the smaller problem of the spindle making the CLUNK when it gets turned on again while it is already on. I went into config and disabled the Spindle ON, Spindle FWD and Spindle REV pins in Mach4. This stuff was all in there because I never disabled it when I went to my Modbus controlled s[pindle. Alas, this made no difference, I still get the Clunk… ? ? ? ? They are working on a coil winder screen and have the first part of it done.
They did a bunch of testing and could not make your issue happen. We have just started working back at the office where we have all the hardware for testing. We are getting the machines ready for release testing now and one of the things that will be tested is your issue. We are doing the best we can in this screwy time.
Thanks
Brian On 6/11/2020 8:07 AM, Andy Wander wrote: Hi Brian: ? Have you had a chance to work on this? ? Also any? progress on the coil winder screenset? ? ? That may be from my PLC script. I am interrogating the Modbus MPG register on my pendant. ? ? Do you have any idea what is spamming for the MPG? I don't think this is causing you an issue, it is just bad practice and I would like to eliminate as many vars as I can. I was going to see if I could clean the profile and figure this out! I have a few things going on but I am trying to get this done as quickly as I can.
Thanks
Brian
On 6/3/2020 12:46 PM, Andy Wander wrote: I used to use relays and PWM to control my spindle, but now I use the Modbus plugin. ? I think that I left the relay/PWM config alone, and just added the modbus stuff. So Mack4 may be sending controls for both methods. ? Pretty sure I disconnected the relays and PWM/0-10V from the VFD though. I will check that in a bit. ? ? I need your profile please. I don't understand what is firing output #54 I think I am getting a better idea what is going on!
Thanks
Brian
n 6/3/2020 11:09 AM, Andy Wander wrote: Hi Brian: ? The logging window is confusing because the SAVE button is at the bottom, but there is also a “log to file” button up at the top. What does that top button do? ? I don’t think this can be a hardware issue, as external threading code from the Turn Cycle works fine every time. ? Also, yesterday, after I STOPped an unworking internal threading program, I came back a few hours later, rewound and ran the same code, and it worked! Just once though, after that it would hang on the 2nd G76 line uust like before. ? Attached is a log file; can you? see anything strange in there? Attachments: - G76 that stops on second G76 line.log
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Thanks Peter, I kind of figured that.? My Modio is back in the box at the moment.? My friend is having a few issues but some of those are also self-inflicted.? He now tells me he doesn't use the Modio most of the time and has a different xml he runs for that.? ? So I've told him he should disable the MODBUS flag on the first screen of the ports and pins and clean up a few other outputs. ? In either case, as a Modbus product the last time I played it still appeared to work.? But then I also have Modbus tools on my PC for working with commercial Modbus products. ? John ? ?
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You should use the Modbus plugin that interfaces to Mach3 via brains.?
Have a look at;
cheers
Peter
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Hi John,
It’s not supported in the same was Mach3 is not supported. ?
cheers,
Peter?
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My friends MACH3 system (on WIN-NT) has a MODIO.? I am helping him fine tune and document the system so I'm running his xml file here on my workstation (WIN-7). ?I also have one of Peter's MODIO boards so I can for the most part simulate things. ? As shown in the screen shot below the MODIO is a john-prentice-version-0.9c. ? What file do I look for to get from him to have modio working on my test system? ? This forum posting from 2012 suggests that the john-prentice software isn't supported.
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Thanks.? I think the issue is regardless of what pins run what motor if you press the right arrow key to move the X axis that the Y axis DRO changes on the screen.? True if you switch the pins that are for the Y axis onto the X axis output in ports and pins then pressing the right arrow key will move the Y axis motor but since it's not a closed loop system reading steps back from an encoder connected to Y how would it ever change the Y DRO. ? Unless there's something else in ports and pins that I'm missing. ? I think my friend was just confused.? And did have the axis mixed up but thought he was pressing the right arrow when in fact he was pressing the up arrow. ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stan ...
Sent: June-02-21 2:24 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Odd motion? Hello John I just wanted to be sure before I posted this but I did duplicate the problem bike going into ports and pins under configuration and swapping the step and Direction pin number between x axis and y axis and got your same scenario. ? On Wed, Jun 2, 2021, 8:16 AM John Dammeyer <johnd@...> wrote: Thanks Tony, He tells me the problem is now fixed.? He can't tell me how.? I'm suspecting that he had his XY motors crossed and _thought_ he was pressing the right arrow key when watching the Y DRO change.? He has a tendency to change things in a non-methodical way when he gets frustrated. ? Sorry for the noise on the forum.? I really didn't think it was possible to change arrow button behavior in MACH3 but just in case I thought I'd ask. ? John ? ? ? Sound like he plugged something in wrong. ? Can’t see how Fusion or bad caps would swap an axis like that.? ? Although… Fusion used to have the X & Z axis swapped (so X was up) until the CNC guys complained and now Z is up as it should be.? Check his Fusion preferences and redo the g-code?? (Very long shot!) ? Tony ? ? ? I had a friend ask this when he went back to his CNC machine after years of not using it.? His PC is rather flakey probably due to power supply capacitors.?? But anyway it seems he has his axis mixed up for what Fusion360 generates for G Code. ? What he told me was that if he presses the Right Arrow Key the X axis motor moves the table but the DRO on the screen increments on Y distance. ? What has he done to cause that sort of screw-up? Thanks John ? ? "ELS! Nothing else works as well for your Lathe" Automation Artisans Inc. www dot autoartisans dot com ?
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Hello John I just wanted to be sure before I posted this but I did duplicate the problem bike going into ports and pins under configuration and swapping the step and Direction pin number between x axis and y axis and got your same scenario.
On Wed, Jun 2, 2021, 8:16 AM John Dammeyer < johnd@...> wrote: Thanks Tony, He tells me the problem is now fixed.? He can't tell me how.? I'm suspecting that he had his XY motors crossed and _thought_ he was pressing the right arrow key when watching the Y DRO change.? He has a tendency to change things in a non-methodical way when he gets frustrated. ? Sorry for the noise on the forum.? I really didn't think it was possible to change arrow button behavior in MACH3 but just in case I thought I'd ask. ? John ? ? ? Sound like he plugged something in wrong. ? Can’t see how Fusion or bad caps would swap an axis like that.? ? Although… Fusion used to have the X & Z axis swapped (so X was up) until the CNC guys complained and now Z is up as it should be.? Check his Fusion preferences and redo the g-code?? (Very long shot!) ? Tony ? ? ? I had a friend ask this when he went back to his CNC machine after years of not using it.? His PC is rather flakey probably due to power supply capacitors.?? But anyway it seems he has his axis mixed up for what Fusion360 generates for G Code. ? What he told me was that if he presses the Right Arrow Key the X axis motor moves the table but the DRO on the screen increments on Y distance. ? What has he done to cause that sort of screw-up? Thanks John ? ? "ELS! Nothing else works as well for your Lathe" Automation Artisans Inc. www dot autoartisans dot com ?
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Thanks Tony, He tells me the problem is now fixed.? He can't tell me how.? I'm suspecting that he had his XY motors crossed and _thought_ he was pressing the right arrow key when watching the Y DRO change.? He has a tendency to change things in a non-methodical way when he gets frustrated. ? Sorry for the noise on the forum.? I really didn't think it was possible to change arrow button behavior in MACH3 but just in case I thought I'd ask. ? John ? ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tony Smith
Sent: June-02-21 7:53 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Odd motion? Sound like he plugged something in wrong. ? Can’t see how Fusion or bad caps would swap an axis like that.? ? Although… Fusion used to have the X & Z axis swapped (so X was up) until the CNC guys complained and now Z is up as it should be.? Check his Fusion preferences and redo the g-code?? (Very long shot!) ? Tony ? ? ? I had a friend ask this when he went back to his CNC machine after years of not using it.? His PC is rather flakey probably due to power supply capacitors.?? But anyway it seems he has his axis mixed up for what Fusion360 generates for G Code. ? What he told me was that if he presses the Right Arrow Key the X axis motor moves the table but the DRO on the screen increments on Y distance. ? What has he done to cause that sort of screw-up? Thanks John ? ? "ELS! Nothing else works as well for your Lathe" Automation Artisans Inc. www dot autoartisans dot com ?
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Sound like he plugged something in wrong. ? Can’t see how Fusion or bad caps would swap an axis like that.? ? Although… Fusion used to have the X & Z axis swapped (so X was up) until the CNC guys complained and now Z is up as it should be.? Check his Fusion preferences and redo the g-code?? (Very long shot!) ? Tony ? ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of John Dammeyer
Sent: Wednesday, 2 June 2021 7:59 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [MachCNC] Odd motion? I had a friend ask this when he went back to his CNC machine after years of not using it.? His PC is rather flakey probably due to power supply capacitors.?? But anyway it seems he has his axis mixed up for what Fusion360 generates for G Code. ? What he told me was that if he presses the Right Arrow Key the X axis motor moves the table but the DRO on the screen increments on Y distance. ? What has he done to cause that sort of screw-up? Thanks John ? ? "ELS! Nothing else works as well for your Lathe" Automation Artisans Inc. www dot autoartisans dot com ?
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