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Re: Mach2 lathe, Steve and Art

ozzie34231
 

Hi,

Somehow I'm missing the usefulness of all this touchoff stuff.
Can you explain how it is different from just clicking in the DRO and
entering the position you know you are in, ( Work Radis plus guage
thickness)?

Jerry



-- In mach1mach2cnc@..., Art <fenerty@a...> wrote:
Steve:

I am looking into the spindle now, but I was wrong about the
offsets. Or at
least mine seems to work.

Try this in this sequence.

Put in a piece of stock. Jog to the edge, If the stock is 30mms
thick, type
30 into the Touch Correction box and turn it on. The LED shoudl
flash. Now


Re: Thread picture uploaded

ozzie34231
 

Hi Art,
Thanks, but in the example of running at 2000 rpm with the Z axis
needing to move at 100ipm, it would take only 1/100th of a minute to
cut a one inch long thread. I haven't done any calculus for a long
tome but it seems to me that I'd have to start way before the thread
and the deceleration would still ruin it.

If I'm right what kind of Z axis acceleration would one need to be
able to cut at that speed?

Jerry

--- In mach1mach2cnc@..., Art <fenerty@a...> wrote:
Hi Jerry:

The 3.5 would be units/sec/sec in other words in one second it
will be
doing 3.5*60 units per minute or 210 units per minute, so it takes
about 1/2
second to get to speed of 100..

Art
www.artofcnc.ca


Re: Mach2 lathe

Art
 

Steve:

I am looking into the spindle now, but I was wrong about the offsets. Or at
least mine seems to work.

Try this in this sequence.

Put in a piece of stock. Jog to the edge, If the stock is 30mms thick, type
30 into the Touch Correction box and turn it on. The LED shoudl flash. Now
press Touch X on the Fixture offsets at the bottom. Does the display on X
now read 30?
Now jog to the face of the stock with the Z (and X if you have to). Type
in the length of the stock (say 124), and enter 124 in the touch correction,
now press TouchZ on the fixtures offset down below. Does the Z readout now
say 124?
If so you are now zeroed to the stock. This is the method to zero all
this. Let me know if this example does something different to you.

Now, as to some of the strange stuff happening to you....

N30 G0 X20.0 Z40.0 ' Tool change position
N40 M6 T1 ' CHANGE TO TOOL # 1
N50 G43 H1

Line such as N30 and N40 are screwing you up badly. Having a ' in the line
causes the interpreter to ignore the entire line. the ' character is illegal
or can be translated to "This line is a comment", so your M6T1 is being
ignored as is your G0X20Z40 line. This will cause the G43H1 to react very
badly because it will think you are (and you would be) at 0,0, not 20,40

See if the touching off works after you remove the ' characters.

Thanks, I'll let you know about spindle. Strange thing is, if the LED is
flashing, then it MUST be on. Or so I thought. Check your pin settings on
this while I check the code.

Thanks,
Art
www.artofcnc.ca

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Blackmore" <steve@...>
To: <mach1mach2cnc@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [mach1mach2cnc] Mach2 lathe


On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 08:50:58 -0700, you wrote:

I'm not sure but aren't you using the mil tool change syntax (M6 T1)
instead of the lathe syntax (M6 T01xx)? That may be causing a transverse to
0,0.

Worked fine up to now (sort of ;)

There doesn't appear to be a standard "lathe syntax"

Fanuc 6TM is
T00<TOOL>00

Fanuc 20TAM & 21ITM is
T<TOOL><OFFSET#>

Okuma OSP5000
<TURRET>T{<COMP-NUM>}<TOOL><OFFSET#>{<TRT-TURN>

etc, etc.

It only does it at the start of a file, not on subsequent tool
changes, Art has pointed out that offsets are screwed, something else
I noticed is that tool offsets are being included on the display
screen so the part looks nothing like it's supposed to.

Tool offsets are now saved for lathe & mill separately though ;)

Hard to tell what else needs sorting until spindle will run from
Gcode.

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Re: Ok, What's the trick to installing Mach2 special driver for non-apic b

 

--- In mach1mach2cnc@..., Art <fenerty@a...> wrote:
John:

I may have screwed up the special driver update, I will check it.

Thanks,
Art
www.artofcnc.ca

Hi Art
the updated driver worked fine on my system running win2k.

Derek


Re: Mach2 lathe

Steve Blackmore
 

On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 08:50:58 -0700, you wrote:

I'm not sure but aren't you using the mil tool change syntax (M6 T1) instead of the lathe syntax (M6 T01xx)? That may be causing a transverse to 0,0.
Worked fine up to now (sort of ;)

There doesn't appear to be a standard "lathe syntax"

Fanuc 6TM is
T00<TOOL>00

Fanuc 20TAM & 21ITM is
T<TOOL><OFFSET#>

Okuma OSP5000
<TURRET>T{<COMP-NUM>}<TOOL><OFFSET#>{<TRT-TURN>

etc, etc.

It only does it at the start of a file, not on subsequent tool
changes, Art has pointed out that offsets are screwed, something else
I noticed is that tool offsets are being included on the display
screen so the part looks nothing like it's supposed to.

Tool offsets are now saved for lathe & mill separately though ;)

Hard to tell what else needs sorting until spindle will run from
Gcode.

--
Steve Blackmore


Re: Ok, What's the trick to installing Mach2 special driver for non-apic b

Art
 

John:

I may have screwed up the special driver update, I will check it.

Thanks,
Art
www.artofcnc.ca


Re: Mach2 lathe

Art
 

Hugh:

Lathe will only understand the M6T1 type of commands , it does not yet take
M6T01xx.

Thanks,
Art
www.artofcnc.ca


Re: Mach2 RC10 wiped out my settings

Art
 

Derek:

The profile should not have overwritten, but I have seen instances where
the system overwrites anyway. ALWAYS backup your .xml files before
installing a new version.

Sorry,
Art
www.artofcnc.ca

----- Original Message -----
From: "tig415" <tig416@...>
To: <mach1mach2cnc@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 11:13 AM
Subject: [mach1mach2cnc] Mach2 RC10 wiped out my settings


Hi Art
I installed mach2 rc10 and the special driver and it changed all of
my settings back to default. is this normal and if so you need to
have a warning pop up telling people to backup their profile.

Well I'm off to setup all my info..... ARGHHHH.


Derek



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Re: Mach2 lathe

Art
 

Steve:

Sorry, the touch offs are buggered. Will fix right away.

Art
www.artofcnc.ca


Re: Thread picture uploaded

Art
 

Hi Jerry:

The 3.5 would be units/sec/sec in other words in one second it will be
doing 3.5*60 units per minute or 210 units per minute, so it takes about 1/2
second to get to speed of 100..

Art
www.artofcnc.ca


Re: Ok, What's the trick to installing Mach2 special driver for non-apic b

John Guenther
 

Art,

I have the latest driver, I downloaded it at the same time I got RC10. As I
said in another post, I even went so far as to re-install Windows 2000 and I
was still getting the BSOD when I tried to start Mach2 or the driver test
program. I will try again this evening. I had to deal with a very
upsetting family matter this morning so the last time I tried it failed but
I am sure it was my fault. I will make sure I pull every thing down again
when I get home and go from there.

Life would be so much easier if I had a motherboard that did not require the
special driver!

Thanks for the reply.

John Guenther
'Ye Olde Pen Maker'
Sterling, Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Art Fenerty [mailto:fenerty@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 12:34 PM
To: mach1mach2cnc@...
Subject: [mach1mach2cnc] Re: Ok, What's the trick to installing Mach2
special driver for non-apic b


John:

Whenever you get a "wrong driver" message it means the driver is
too old or too new. In RC10, you MUST re-download the special driver
for non-apic boards again. It was updated at release time.
If you get this after downloading let me know.

Thanks,
Art




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Re: Ok, What's the trick to installing Mach2 special driver for non-apic b

Art Fenerty
 

John:

Whenever you get a "wrong driver" message it means the driver is
too old or too new. In RC10, you MUST re-download the special driver
for non-apic boards again. It was updated at release time.
If you get this after downloading let me know.

Thanks,
Art


Re: Mach2 lathe

Hugh Smith
 

Steve,

I'm not sure but aren't you using the mil tool change syntax (M6 T1) instead of the lathe syntax (M6 T01xx)? That may be causing a transverse to 0,0.

Just a thought.
Hugh Smith

% 'tcollet
N10 G21
N20 G90 F53.34 S700 M5
N30 G0 X20.0 Z40.0 ' Tool change position
N40 M6 T1 ' CHANGE TO TOOL # 1
N50 G43 H1


Auto reset counters on refrence inop

 

They reset to zero no matter how I have the box checked unless I'm
doing something wrong.


jog keys lag when I load Gcode

 

Hi art my x y anz axis jog keys have a large delay when I load in
Gcode.I push the key and it takes a moment for it to engage and when
it does it moves quite a distance after I let up. this was happening
on rc7 and now 10.

derek


Mach2 RC10 wiped out my settings

 

Hi Art
I installed mach2 rc10 and the special driver and it changed all of
my settings back to default. is this normal and if so you need to
have a warning pop up telling people to backup their profile.

Well I'm off to setup all my info..... ARGHHHH.


Derek


Re: Thread picture uploaded

 

Art,

Seems a good assumption for all but tapered threads. Comsider pipe
threads: If cut "backwards" and "upside down" (which is common for
many threads, especially blind types) using constant SFPM, the
spindle will increase in speed as the diameter is decreased...

Just a heads up... (probably can "fix" it with a "Don't do this"<G>)

Ballendo


--- In mach1mach2cnc@..., Art <fenerty@a...> wrote:
LatheHeads...
The design assumes the spindle will not speed up
above the starting RPM during a thread (hopefully a good
assumption) so time


Ok, What's the trick to installing Mach2 special driver for non-apic b

John Guenther
 

Art,

I have tried several times to install this driver with RC10, I even went
back and completely reinstalled a fresh copy of Windows 2000 and I still get
the blue screen of death when I try to run the driver test or Mach2. I had
this working with RC7.1 but RC10 complained about using the wrong driver so
I thought I would remove and reinstall it. Well, that did not work for me
so I have now reloaded Windows 2000 and it still does not work. What have
I done wrong? I believe I have followed the instructions in the manual
exactly but I must be doing something wrong. Any help from you or anyone
else will be deeply appreciated.

John Guenther
'Ye Olde Pen Maker'
Sterling, Virginia


Mach2 RC10 lathe major bug

Steve Blackmore
 

Spindle & coolant do not appear to work from within gcode

Type

G0 X10 Z10 M4 M8
G0 X0 Z0 M5 M9

in MDI and they work, spinle enables at correct speed and turns on &
off, as does coolant

Copy the above into a text file load as Gcode and run, X & Z axis
moves but spindle and coolant pins are not enabled although diags
flashing leds saying they are??


--
Steve Blackmore


Mach2 lathe

Steve Blackmore
 

Thanks Art - display is much improved! With my current spindle speeds
theoretically I can do .45mm pitch threads at 2000rpm, which is fine
for me. I haven't tried it in anger because of the following:

I still have the positioning problem,

you wrote previously

The touch off, should be done in your example by entering 30 in the touch
correction and turning it on. then do touch of the bit to the stoch and hit
"touch" on the X, 30 will appear. If you use a guage, enter 30 + guage block
in the corretion and the proper diameter will appear. Turn off correction
and toush the Z to zero it or enter a length if you wish.
Which is very confusing - the diameter stated in my original mail was
10?? Length was 30.

I've tried several ways this morning to get it to understand the
diameter and length but it still wants to go to 0,0 first before going
to tool change position at X20 Z40. This causes the tool to power
into the work!

Using the example Taig collet file I sent you how do I get it to
accept the actual corner of the work is Z31 (the extra 1 is for facing
pass) and at X7.5 (work dia is 15) If you do the offsets you can see
the tool moving to 0,0 before line 30!

Here's the first section to tool change

% 'tcollet
N10 G21
N20 G90 F53.34 S700 M5
N30 G0 X20.0 Z40.0 ' Tool change position
N40 M6 T1 ' CHANGE TO TOOL # 1
N50 G43 H1

It may well be me being stupid, but can someone carefully, step by
step, talk me through this please!

--
Steve Blackmore