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Oh and if this jpg attachment works here's the list of Bergerda motors.

The one I have that drives the X axis nicely is the 60SM-M0130MAL at 1.27N.m and 3000 RPM max.

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I think what would work for the knee is the 80SM-M0230MAL with 2.4N.m and 3000 RPM along with the 120T:20T belt drive (6:1)

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Maybe I'll just try the smaller one with 6:1 belt.? Time to go shopping.

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John

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of dave via Groups.Io
Sent: January-29-20 10:19 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Electrical Noise

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My heavy Z axis used to struggle with a big Nema 34. I swapped it out for a Nema 23 4.5Nm and it flies now.??

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From: John Dammeyer <johnd@...>

Date: 29/01/2020 5:44 pm (GMT+00:00)

Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Electrical Noise

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And mine is this one:

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For all I know this is causing a problem during homng.

E-Stop, Fault, ERR/RST, and "Charge Pump" timeouts turn off all outputs without assistance from host software

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If for some reason the Fault or E-Stop inputs have a spurious pulse then I could see it stopping on homing Z. ?

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Or if the MACH3 Homing Z software does something odd occasionally with the charge pump this would also cause issues.? And some sort of WIN-XP issues could cause the charge pump to vanish shortly after booting WIN-XP.

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That would also explain why the problem never shows up on LinuxCNC with the parallel port or the MESA Ethernet 7i92H.? If it comes back I may just 'borrow' the USB Smooth Stepper from my CNC router.? Another option is to set the dip switch on the PMDX-126 to disable Charge Pump. ?

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May not be electrical at all.

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John

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of dave via Groups.Io
Sent: January-29-20 9:31 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Electrical Noise

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Hi Spencer

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No.? Some are straight though...

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But read the spec on this one...

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Date: 29/01/2020 5:14 pm (GMT+00:00)

Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Electrical Noise

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I have been following this thread but not carefully because I didn't think I had a problem. Now I am thinking that some minor drift I have over time could be missed steps not mechanical as I thought.?

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Is there any problem setting the debounce time as 10 or 20 us??

if this is input debouncing then what signals are being considers as noise sources, limit switches? there is no position feedback?

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also, aren't all break out boards opto issolated?

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From: "dave via Groups.Io" <qconvers@...>

Sent: 1/29/2020 6:00:22 AM

Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Electrical Noise

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I've posted my solution to electrical noise on this forum a few times and no one has come back and said it did or didn't work for them, but when I had random missed steps? and spent a long time trying to find the fault... I fitted an Opto isolated BOB and I've never had a missed step since. Problem solved.

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From: John Dammeyer <johnd@...>

Date: 29/01/2020 12:55 am (GMT+00:00)

Subject: Re: [MachCNC] Electrical Noise

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> chuck via Groups.Io
> have you tried the debounce input setting in general config? had a similar
> issue long time ago and debounce cured it. don't remember what I had to set
> it at but it worked.
> haven't used Mach3 for quite a while.
> Chuck

Just tried that.? And the problem with working on these types of issues is what I just ran into.? I set it to 10x40uS.? Quit. Restarted MACH3 and homed over a 4" distance.? No problem.? Perfect.? Moved the knee back up. Set the debounce back to 0.? Shut down.? Restarted MACH3 and homed again over a 4" distance.? No failure.? Now it won't fail.

Sigh.? I think I'll leave it at 5x40uS and see what happens while I fab up a new cable and connector that lets me deal with the shield better.

If all was working right (as in wrong)? it would fail repeatedly without a debounce but succeed with a debounce.? Then I could change wiring, add ferrites etc. and watch the problem vanish.? But no.? It's going to be stubborn.

John

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