Re: [Owner] Re: [PhilosophicalM] Friday Five August 16
Friday five: ?" 3.? Should the Federal Government get out of the business of subsidizing bad behaviour?"? Me: "I have no idea what you are referring to, but don't see any reason for the federal government should do that."
Marvin: "I was thinking of stupid stuff like buying bigger houses on largedr lots because mortgage interest in deductible"
Now that you mention it, I just read a column this morning describing how the Bank of Japan is offering negative interest rates to encourage borrowing (and hopefully resulting in business investment to drag them out of 30 years of economic stagnation). ? Arbitragers are borrowing money from Japan at negative interest rates and using those funds to buy US government securities at 5.25% or so and making a killing.? No one knows how large this shadow market is, or how much it's costing the USA (and Japan), but some estimates are over a trillion dollars.
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1.? What was the one book you recently read that most impressed you?
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Assuming "recently" means this year, "The Age of Acrimony" by ?Jon Grinspan.? The book describes American national political conflict between 1865 and 1915.? When Biden and his ilk go off about Democracy being in danger (unless he personally rescues the system from Trump, you realize?how tumultuous politics really was between the Civil War and WWI, and how insignificant today's factionalism and disputes and demonstrations are in comparison.
2.? Should tips be taxed as income?
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All earned income should be taxed.? There is no reason for tips to be excluded.
3.? Should the Federal Government get out of the business of subsidizing bad behaviour?
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I have no idea what you are referring to, but don't see any reason for the federal government should do that.
I was thinking of stupid stuff like buying bigger houses on largedr lots because mortgage interest in deductible
4.? Should currency be abolished - if so what should it be replaced with?
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No, it'll just cause inflation because people tend to lose track of what they don't see or monitor, which is why no one has any savings.? If you facilitate going into debt, everyone will be in debt before you know it.? Credit cards are convenient, but even at usurious interest rates, the average balance is something like $6500, with Gen X averaging over?$9000.? Those over 70 or so, who grew up without credit cards, average only $3400.
5.? ?Who is/was your favorite author?
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Right now, it's David Foster Wallace, but he wrote few books, and I have read them all and some of his short story collection.? He committed suicide at 46 in 2008
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Ed
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1.? What was the one book you recently read that most impressed you?
2.? Should tips be taxed as income?
3.? Should the Federal Government get out of the business of subsidizing bad behaviour?
4.? Should currency be abolished - if so what should it be replaced with?
5.? ?Who is/was your favorite author?
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Re: Friday Five August 16
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1.? What was the one book you recently read that most impressed you?
2.? Should tips be taxed as income?
3.? Should the Federal Government get out of the business of subsidizing bad behaviour?
4.? Should currency be abolished - if so what should it be replaced with?
5.? ?Who is/was your favorite author?
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Re: Friday Five August 10
Or Biden and Harris saving Americans $6 billion dollars this week by negotiating lower prices on 10 drugs that were already covered by Medicare. ?
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On Thursday, August 15, 2024, mrvnchpmn via <chapman= [email protected]> wrote:
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More importantly things like Lincoln freeing all the slave with the Emancipation Proclamation - which only freed slaves under the control of the Confederacy - which excludes Deleware and the District of Columbia.
Marvin
The pledge of allegiance qualifies, as does the morning Bible reading we had to sit and listen to over the loudspeaker every day in high school.
Ed
On Wednesday, August 14, 2024, a1thighmaster via <thighmaster= hawaii.rr.com@groups.io> wrote:
Marvin,
So no evidence then.
Aloha,
Celeste
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On 8/12/2024 7:33 AM, mrvnchpmn wrote:
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Memory and observation.
Celeste rote:
Marvin,
What evidence can you cite for indoctrination occurring in US schools?
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Marvin wrote:
I think more like indoctrination - similiar to what happens in US schools on a regular basis.
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Re: Friday Five August 10
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More importantly things like Lincoln freeing all the slave with the Emancipation Proclamation - which only freed slaves under the control of the Confederacy - which excludes Deleware and the District of Columbia.
Marvin
The pledge of allegiance qualifies, as does the morning Bible reading we had to sit and listen to over the loudspeaker every day in high school.
Ed
On Wednesday, August 14, 2024, a1thighmaster via <thighmaster= [email protected]> wrote:
Marvin,
So no evidence then.
Aloha,
Celeste
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On 8/12/2024 7:33 AM, mrvnchpmn wrote:
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Memory and observation.
Celeste rote:
Marvin,
What evidence can you cite for indoctrination occurring in US schools?
?
Marvin wrote:
I think more like indoctrination - similiar to what happens in US schools on a regular basis.
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Re: Friday Five August 10
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No bible reading for me but the pledge of allegiance still is recited in local political meetings.
Marvin
The pledge of allegiance qualifies, as does the morning Bible reading we had to sit and listen to over the loudspeaker every day in high school.
Ed
On Wednesday, August 14, 2024, a1thighmaster via <thighmaster= [email protected]> wrote:
Marvin,
So no evidence then.
Aloha,
Celeste
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On 8/12/2024 7:33 AM, mrvnchpmn wrote:
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Memory and observation.
Celeste rote:
Marvin,
What evidence can you cite for indoctrination occurring in US schools?
?
Marvin wrote:
I think more like indoctrination - similiar to what happens in US schools on a regular basis.
?
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Re: Friday Five August 10
The pledge of allegiance qualifies, as does the morning Bible reading we had to sit and listen to over the loudspeaker every day in high school. Ed
On Wednesday, August 14, 2024, a1thighmaster via <thighmaster= [email protected]> wrote:
Marvin,
So no evidence then.
Aloha,
Celeste
On 8/12/2024 7:33 AM, mrvnchpmn wrote:
?
Memory and observation.
Celeste rote:
Marvin,
What evidence can you cite for indoctrination occurring in US
schools?
Marvin wrote:
I think more like indoctrination - similiar to what
happens in US schools on a regular basis.
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Re: Friday Five August 10
Marvin,
So no evidence then.
Aloha,
Celeste
On 8/12/2024 7:33 AM, mrvnchpmn wrote:
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Memory and observation.
Celeste rote:
Marvin,
What evidence can you cite for indoctrination occurring in US
schools?
Marvin wrote:
I think more like indoctrination - similiar to what
happens in US schools on a regular basis.
?
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Re: Friday Five August 10
Mmm, I dunno. ?Pretty soon you'll have prospective parents having to be credentialed by governments before they're allowed to try to conceive. ?I'm sick of experts, expertise, credentializing. ?I wouldn't want that mindset applied to parenting.
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? ...and from unskilled parents traumatizing them! We need skilled parents who know how to teach.
// ? ? Parenting, especially, should be part of the public educational system. ? ?//
God save us from governments teaching parents how to rear children.
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Not love, not hate, but the passion for ignorance is the most fundamental passion of man.
? I have often?said for years that teaching and parenting are skills way too vital to be left to random development. Parenting, especially, should be part of the public educational system. Parenting is about skills as well as instinct.
D
This one seems tied to a particular odd-man-out culture.? The Chinese seem to have decided that this generation of them are hopeless and so are simply quarantining them.? The human brain must be formed and filled from the earliest age.? If we do not train our children to think well, they will become innocent rogues, susceptible to all passing phantasms. ? I am not sure this is a problem confined to any single nation, though...
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I think more like indoctrination - similiar to what happens in US schools on a regular basis.
Marvin
?
Lack of courage leading to social risk avoidance??
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Generation after generation after generation?? Each child that's born is a tabula rasa.? Children must be taught to become haters.? Why would generation after generation after generation condemn their children to such a miserable life?
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Because they resent their history.
Marvin
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?
Why should a large group of people with a large amount of land continue over generations to live in active hatred of a tiny group of people with a tiny plot of land?? How soon is soon?
?
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On Aug 10, 2024, at 14:34, a1thighmaster via <thighmaster=[email protected]> wrote:
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2.? Is the conflict in the Middle East going to go global?
Probably not, but it isn't going to go away any time soon.
...
Aloha,
Celeste Rogers
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Re: Friday Five August 10
...and from unskilled parents traumatizing them! We need skilled parents who know how to teach.
// ? ? Parenting, especially, should be part of the public educational system. ? ?//
God save us from governments teaching parents how to rear children.
?
Not love, not hate, but the passion for ignorance is the most fundamental passion of man.
? I have often?said for years that teaching and parenting are skills way too vital to be left to random development. Parenting, especially, should be part of the public educational system. Parenting is about skills as well as instinct.
D
This one seems tied to a particular odd-man-out culture.? The Chinese seem to have decided that this generation of them are hopeless and so are simply quarantining them.? The human brain must be formed and filled from the earliest age.? If we do not train our children to think well, they will become innocent rogues, susceptible to all passing phantasms. ? I am not sure this is a problem confined to any single nation, though...
?
I think more like indoctrination - similiar to what happens in US schools on a regular basis.
Marvin
?
Lack of courage leading to social risk avoidance??
?
?
?
Generation after generation after generation?? Each child that's born is a tabula rasa.? Children must be taught to become haters.? Why would generation after generation after generation condemn their children to such a miserable life?
?
?
?
Because they resent their history.
Marvin
?
?
Why should a large group of people with a large amount of land continue over generations to live in active hatred of a tiny group of people with a tiny plot of land?? How soon is soon?
?
?
On Aug 10, 2024, at 14:34, a1thighmaster via <thighmaster=[email protected]> wrote:
?
?
?
2.? Is the conflict in the Middle East going to go global?
Probably not, but it isn't going to go away any time soon.
...
Aloha,
Celeste Rogers
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Re: Friday Five August 10
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// ? ? An easy way to create an?Us?is to create a?Them. ? ?//
A much better way is to have well thought out belief systems. ? Believing in hating outsiders is a dreadful way to live.
?
Not love, not hate, but the passion for ignorance is the most fundamental passion of man.
? Humans are genetically configured to be social. Pack instinct--the species? uses groups to survive. Children learn from the role modeling of elders. Elders?learned from their parents. The average human needs an Us to belong?with.
An easy way to create an Us is to create a Them. Pointing at someone as an alien automatically and necessarily makes me a member of Us.
Perhaps this is why we should learn to accept everyone? A universal Us?
D
This is not survival but suicide.? Something seems seriously warped in their collective belief system.? It's as though they live to hate outsiders and to inoculate their many children with a compulsion to do the same. ?"I hate, I rage, I kill.? Pass it on." ? David asked:?
Why should a large group of people with a large amount of land continue over generations to live in active hatred of a tiny group of people with a tiny plot of land?? How soon is soon?
And Darrell mused: Because both groups have built up mental stories of what is 'right' and what each 'deserves'? How can I let my side down by questioning the story when it is foundational to the group I claim membership in? To do so would?threaten my very belonging, an outcome antithetical?to the survival intent of the human social instinct. Doesn't much matter if this is the more rational course because it is survival psychology and survival (of the individual in order to propagate the species) is a biological imperative.
I am full of useless philosophy this morning!? ?
Why should a large group of people with a large amount of land continue over generations to live in active hatred of a tiny group of people with a tiny plot of land?? How soon is soon?
2.? Is the
conflict in the Middle East going to go global?
Probably not, but it isn't going to go away any time soon.
...
Aloha,
Celeste Rogers
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Re: Friday Five August 10
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Memory and observation.
Marvin,
What evidence can you cite for indoctrination occurring in US schools?
Aloha,
Celeste
?
Marvin wrote:
I think more like indoctrination - similiar to what happens in US schools on a regular basis.
?
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Re: Friday Five August 10
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I would suspect that somewhere people will survive.? The human race has gone through bottom necks before.
Marvin
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Marvin said:?
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If you take the oil out of the Middle East - the natives would settle down and scratch out a living.
Just wait about two hundred years - it will happen.
And Darrell wondered: I consider it quite optimistic of you to predict that there will still be natives on this planet in two hundred?years!
?
:)
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it is a remnant of their past history when they were pastoralists who predated on settled agriculturalists.? I'm reading a book now where exactly that was posed as the biggest problem the Huns faced when they invaded Western Europe - they ran out of grazing but not before they ravaged about 2/3 of Western Europa.
If you take the oil out of the Middle East - the natives would settle down and scratch out a living.
Just wait about two hurdred years - it will happen.
Marvin]
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This is not survival but suicide.? Something seems seriously warped in their collective belief system.? It's as though they live to hate outsiders and to inoculate their many children with a compulsion to do the same. ?"I hate, I rage, I kill.? Pass it on."
?
David asked:? Why should a large group of people with a large amount of land continue over generations to live in active hatred of a tiny group of people with a tiny plot of land?? How soon is soon?
?
And Darrell mused: Because both groups have built up mental stories of what is 'right' and what each 'deserves'? How can I let my side down by questioning the story when it is foundational to the group I claim membership in? To do so would?threaten my very belonging, an outcome antithetical?to the survival intent of the human social instinct. Doesn't much matter if this is the more rational course because it is survival psychology and survival (of the individual in order to propagate the species) is a biological imperative.
?
I am full of useless philosophy this morning!? ?
?
?
?
Why should a large group of people with a large amount of land continue over generations to live in active hatred of a tiny group of people with a tiny plot of land?? How soon is soon?
?
?
On Aug 10, 2024, at 14:34, a1thighmaster via <thighmaster=[email protected]> wrote:
?
?
2.? Is the conflict in the Middle East going to go global?
Probably not, but it isn't going to go away any time soon.
...
Aloha,
Celeste Rogers
?
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?
?
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Re: Friday Five August 10
// ? ? Parenting, especially, should be part of the public educational system. ? ?//
God save us from governments teaching parents how to rear children.
?
Not love, not hate, but the passion for ignorance is the most fundamental passion of man.
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On Aug 12, 2024, at 11:40, Darrell King via groups.io <DarrellGKing@...> wrote:
? I have often?said for years that teaching and parenting are skills way too vital to be left to random development. Parenting, especially, should be part of the public educational system. Parenting is about skills as well as instinct.
D
This one seems tied to a particular odd-man-out culture.? The Chinese seem to have decided that this generation of them are hopeless and so are simply quarantining them.? The human brain must be formed and filled from the earliest age.? If we do not train our children to think well, they will become innocent rogues, susceptible to all passing phantasms. ? I am not sure this is a problem confined to any single nation, though...
?
I think more like indoctrination - similiar to what happens in US schools on a regular basis.
Marvin
?
Lack of courage leading to social risk avoidance??
?
?
?
Generation after generation after generation?? Each child that's born is a tabula rasa.? Children must be taught to become haters.? Why would generation after generation after generation condemn their children to such a miserable life?
?
?
?
Because they resent their history.
Marvin
?
?
Why should a large group of people with a large amount of land continue over generations to live in active hatred of a tiny group of people with a tiny plot of land?? How soon is soon?
?
?
On Aug 10, 2024, at 14:34, a1thighmaster via <thighmaster=[email protected]> wrote:
?
?
?
2.? Is the conflict in the Middle East going to go global?
Probably not, but it isn't going to go away any time soon.
...
Aloha,
Celeste Rogers
?
?
?
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Re: Friday Five August 10
// ? ? An easy way to create an?Us?is to create a?Them. ? ?//
A much better way is to have well thought out belief systems. ? Believing in hating outsiders is a dreadful way to live.
?
Not love, not hate, but the passion for ignorance is the most fundamental passion of man.
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On Aug 12, 2024, at 11:37, Darrell King <DarrellGKing@...> wrote:
? Humans are genetically configured to be social. Pack instinct--the species? uses groups to survive. Children learn from the role modeling of elders. Elders?learned from their parents. The average human needs an Us to belong?with.
An easy way to create an Us is to create a Them. Pointing at someone as an alien automatically and necessarily makes me a member of Us.
Perhaps this is why we should learn to accept everyone? A universal Us?
D
This is not survival but suicide.? Something seems seriously warped in their collective belief system.? It's as though they live to hate outsiders and to inoculate their many children with a compulsion to do the same. ?"I hate, I rage, I kill.? Pass it on." ? David asked:?
Why should a large group of people with a large amount of land continue over generations to live in active hatred of a tiny group of people with a tiny plot of land?? How soon is soon?
And Darrell mused: Because both groups have built up mental stories of what is 'right' and what each 'deserves'? How can I let my side down by questioning the story when it is foundational to the group I claim membership in? To do so would?threaten my very belonging, an outcome antithetical?to the survival intent of the human social instinct. Doesn't much matter if this is the more rational course because it is survival psychology and survival (of the individual in order to propagate the species) is a biological imperative.
I am full of useless philosophy this morning!? ?
Why should a large group of people with a large amount of land continue over generations to live in active hatred of a tiny group of people with a tiny plot of land?? How soon is soon?
2.? Is the
conflict in the Middle East going to go global?
Probably not, but it isn't going to go away any time soon.
...
Aloha,
Celeste Rogers
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Re: Friday Five August 10
Marvin said:?
If you take the oil out of the Middle East - the natives would settle down and scratch out a living.
Just wait about two hundred years - it will happen.
:)
?
it is a remnant of their past history when they were pastoralists who predated on settled agriculturalists.? I'm reading a book now where exactly that was posed as the biggest problem the Huns faced when they invaded Western Europe - they ran out of grazing but not before they ravaged about 2/3 of Western Europa.
If you take the oil out of the Middle East - the natives would settle down and scratch out a living.
Just wait about two hurdred years - it will happen.
Marvin]
?
?
This is not survival but suicide.? Something seems seriously warped in their collective belief system.? It's as though they live to hate outsiders and to inoculate their many children with a compulsion to do the same. ?"I hate, I rage, I kill.? Pass it on."
?
David asked:? Why should a large group of people with a large amount of land continue over generations to live in active hatred of a tiny group of people with a tiny plot of land?? How soon is soon?
?
And Darrell mused: Because both groups have built up mental stories of what is 'right' and what each 'deserves'? How can I let my side down by questioning the story when it is foundational to the group I claim membership in? To do so would?threaten my very belonging, an outcome antithetical?to the survival intent of the human social instinct. Doesn't much matter if this is the more rational course because it is survival psychology and survival (of the individual in order to propagate the species) is a biological imperative.
?
I am full of useless philosophy this morning!? ?
?
?
?
Why should a large group of people with a large amount of land continue over generations to live in active hatred of a tiny group of people with a tiny plot of land?? How soon is soon?
?
?
On Aug 10, 2024, at 14:34, a1thighmaster via <thighmaster=[email protected]> wrote:
?
?
2.? Is the conflict in the Middle East going to go global?
Probably not, but it isn't going to go away any time soon.
...
Aloha,
Celeste Rogers
?
?
?
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Re: Friday Five August 10
I have often?said for years that teaching and parenting are skills way too vital to be left to random development. Parenting, especially, should be part of the public educational system. Parenting is about skills as well as instinct.
D
This one seems tied to a particular odd-man-out culture.? The Chinese seem to have decided that this generation of them are hopeless and so are simply quarantining them.? The human brain must be formed and filled from the earliest age.? If we do not train our children to think well, they will become innocent rogues, susceptible to all passing phantasms. ? I am not sure this is a problem confined to any single nation, though...
?
I think more like indoctrination - similiar to what happens in US schools on a regular basis.
Marvin
?
Lack of courage leading to social risk avoidance??
?
?
?
Generation after generation after generation?? Each child that's born is a tabula rasa.? Children must be taught to become haters.? Why would generation after generation after generation condemn their children to such a miserable life?
?
?
?
Because they resent their history.
Marvin
?
?
Why should a large group of people with a large amount of land continue over generations to live in active hatred of a tiny group of people with a tiny plot of land?? How soon is soon?
?
?
On Aug 10, 2024, at 14:34, a1thighmaster via <thighmaster=[email protected]> wrote:
?
?
?
2.? Is the conflict in the Middle East going to go global?
Probably not, but it isn't going to go away any time soon.
...
Aloha,
Celeste Rogers
?
?
?
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Re: Friday Five August 10
Humans are genetically configured to be social. Pack instinct--the species? uses groups to survive. Children learn from the role modeling of elders. Elders?learned from their parents. The average human needs an Us to belong?with.
An easy way to create an Us is to create a Them. Pointing at someone as an alien automatically and necessarily makes me a member of Us.
Perhaps this is why we should learn to accept everyone? A universal Us?
D
This is not survival but suicide.? Something seems seriously warped in their collective belief system.? It's as though they live to hate outsiders and to inoculate their many children with a compulsion to do the same. ?"I hate, I rage, I kill.? Pass it on." ? David asked:?
Why should a large group of people with a large amount of land continue over generations to live in active hatred of a tiny group of people with a tiny plot of land?? How soon is soon?
And Darrell mused: Because both groups have built up mental stories of what is 'right' and what each 'deserves'? How can I let my side down by questioning the story when it is foundational to the group I claim membership in? To do so would?threaten my very belonging, an outcome antithetical?to the survival intent of the human social instinct. Doesn't much matter if this is the more rational course because it is survival psychology and survival (of the individual in order to propagate the species) is a biological imperative.
I am full of useless philosophy this morning!? ?
Why should a large group of people with a large amount of land continue over generations to live in active hatred of a tiny group of people with a tiny plot of land?? How soon is soon?
2.? Is the
conflict in the Middle East going to go global?
Probably not, but it isn't going to go away any time soon.
...
Aloha,
Celeste Rogers
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Re: Friday Five August 10
Marvin,
What evidence can you cite for indoctrination occurring in US
schools?
Aloha,
Celeste
Marvin wrote:
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I think more like
indoctrination - similiar to what happens in US schools on a
regular basis.
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Re: Friday Five August 10
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Absolutely not - in fact I'm not sure I can name a nation where it doesn't happen.? Maybe Swtizerland?
Marvin
?
I am not sure this is a problem confined to any single nation, though...
?
?
I think more like indoctrination - similiar to what happens in US schools on a regular basis.
Marvin
?
Lack of courage leading to social risk avoidance??
?
?
?
Generation after generation after generation?? Each child that's born is a tabula rasa.? Children must be taught to become haters.? Why would generation after generation after generation condemn their children to such a miserable life?
?
?
?
Because they resent their history.
Marvin
?
?
Why should a large group of people with a large amount of land continue over generations to live in active hatred of a tiny group of people with a tiny plot of land?? How soon is soon?
?
?
On Aug 10, 2024, at 14:34, a1thighmaster via <thighmaster=[email protected]> wrote:
?
?
?
2.? Is the conflict in the Middle East going to go global?
Probably not, but it isn't going to go away any time soon.
...
Aloha,
Celeste Rogers
?
?
?
?
?
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Re: Friday Five August 10
?
it is a remnant of their past history when they were pastoralists who predated on settled agriculturalists.? I'm reading a book now where exactly that was posed as the biggest problem the Huns faced when they invaded Western Europe - they ran out of grazing but not before they ravaged about 2/3 of Western Europa.
If you take the oil out of the Middle East - the natives would settle down and scratch out a living.
Just wait about two hurdred years - it will happen.
Marvin]
?
?
This is not survival but suicide. ?Something seems seriously warped in their collective belief system. ?It's as though they live to hate outsiders and to inoculate their many children with a compulsion to do the same. ?"I hate, I rage, I kill. ?Pass it on."
?
On Aug 11, 2024, at 10:41, Darrell King <DarrellGKing@...> wrote:
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David asked:? Why should a large group of people with a large amount of land continue over generations to live in active hatred of a tiny group of people with a tiny plot of land?? How soon is soon?
?
And Darrell mused: Because both groups have built up mental stories of what is 'right' and what each 'deserves'? How can I let my side down by questioning the story when it is foundational to the group I claim membership in? To do so would?threaten my very belonging, an outcome antithetical?to the survival intent of the human social instinct. Doesn't much matter if this is the more rational course because it is survival psychology and survival (of the individual in order to propagate the species) is a biological imperative.
?
I am full of useless philosophy this morning!? ?
?
?
?
Why should a large group of people with a large amount of land continue over generations to live in active hatred of a tiny group of people with a tiny plot of land?? How soon is soon?
?
?
On Aug 10, 2024, at 14:34, a1thighmaster via <thighmaster=[email protected]> wrote:
?
?
2.? Is the conflict in the Middle East going to go global?
Probably not, but it isn't going to go away any time soon.
...
Aloha,
Celeste Rogers
?
?
?
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