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Re: Frudat Five May 10

 

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3.? Should the government offer free college to all students?
Yes.
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On May 9, 2024, at 23:55, a1thighmaster via groups.io <thighmaster@...> wrote:

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1.? Should student protesters who illegally occupy campus buildings be expelled from? their college?
That decision is entirely up to the college administration. It could vary from institution to institution.

2.? ?Should students on Education visas who engage in illegal activities on campus be deported?
It probably depends on how serious their offense is.

3.? Should the government offer free college to all students?
Yes.

4.? Is there any real chance that neither Biden nor Trump will win the presidential election?
No.

5.? Are you concerned about world affairs in the near future?
I'm no more or less concerned than I've been in the near past.

Aloha,
Celeste


Re: Frudat Five May 10

 

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1.? Should student protesters who illegally occupy campus buildings be expelled from? their college?
That decision is entirely up to the college administration. It could vary from institution to institution.

2.? ?Should students on Education visas who engage in illegal activities on campus be deported?
It probably depends on how serious their offense is.

3.? Should the government offer free college to all students?
Yes.

4.? Is there any real chance that neither Biden nor Trump will win the presidential election?
No.

5.? Are you concerned about world affairs in the near future?
I'm no more or less concerned than I've been in the near past.

Aloha,
Celeste


Re: [m-scholars-and-scribes] Frudat Five May 10

 

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1.? Should student protesters who illegally occupy campus buildings be expelled from? their college?

Yes and their records should not be released until they have paid for the damage done.

2.? ?Should students on Education visas who engage in illegal activities on campus be deported?

Emphatically yes - and they should be permanently prohibited from getting any more visas of any type

3.? Should the government offer free college to all students?

No - and the government should get out of the business of loaning students money to go to college - let them earn the money necessary and force colleges to reduce tuition

4.? Is there any real chance that neither Biden nor Trump will win the presidential election?

Distinctly yes - if neither wins 270 electoral votes the election goes to the House of Representatives where the three candidates who won the most electoral votes are candidates.

5.? Are you concerned about world affairs in the near future?

Yes - but not as much as I was in 1962

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Frudat Five May 10

 

1.? Should student protesters who illegally occupy campus buildings be expelled from? their college?

2.? ?Should students on Education visas who engage in illegal activities on campus be deported?

3.? Should the government offer free college to all students?

4.? Is there any real chance that neither Biden nor Trump will win the presidential election?

5.? Are you concerned about world affairs in the near future?


Re: Friday Five May 3

 

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1.? The DEA has proposed rescheduling cannabis to relatively harmless - is this a good idea?
Yes.

2.? ?Will the protests on college campuses spread this summer?
Why would they spread this summer? Schools won't be in session.

3.? Should animals be accorded the same rights to health, happiness and freedom of association as humans?
No. The current humane practices are enough.

4.? ?Should government be colorblind in all aspects of regulation and law?
Yes, of course.

5.? Should unjust laws be disobeyed?
That depends on who (or how many) think(s) the laws are unjust.

Aloha,
Celeste Rogers


Re: Friday Five May 3

 

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1.? The DEA has proposed rescheduling cannabis to relatively harmless - is this a good idea?

I think legalizing it with age limits like for tobacco and alcohol would be appriate.? The first rule of making rules is to not make stupid ones - the second rule is to look back after a period of time and see if the rule caused morre harm than good.

2.? ?Will the protests on college campuses spread this summer?

Very much so - we are going to see an interesting Democratic convention this year - if it turns out like 1968 it will be a long hot summer.

3.? Should animals be accorded the same rights to health, happiness and freedom of association as humans?

Emphatically yes - but the likelihood is low

4.? ?Should government be colorblind in all aspects of regulation and law?

Yes - Martin Luther King's greatest speech was "I have a dream" about when his children will be judged by their character rather than the color of their skin.

5.? Should unjust laws be disobeyed?

Yes - but people disobeying them have to be willing to suffer the consequences.


Re: Friday Five May 3

 

1.? The DEA has proposed rescheduling cannabis to relatively harmless - is this a good idea?

Probably. Field testing has been underway for decades without significant major adverse social effects from recreational use based on a broad comparison with alcohol. Note that there are?adverse effects, especially to the lungs. not surprising, though, if one?inhales smoke?directly into those delicate organs. Certainly not as big an impact as cigarettes have been, I wager, and not worth criminalizing the activity over.

2.? ?Will the protests on college campuses spread this summer?

As long as there are agitators to spread the Cause, then the chance is real.

3.? Should animals be accorded the same rights to health, happiness and freedom of association as humans?

Humans can not count on such rights. I am amused because we are saying animals are eligible to benefit from fundamental rights just like humans...as awarded by humans. Should humans be accorded the right to accord rights to or other imaginary concepts other species?

4.? ?Should government be colorblind in all aspects of regulation and law?

If a human or animal; has a right under?the law, the species should not matter unless such distinction is also part of the given law. Either animals can go around naked in public so humans also can, else we have to specify in the law that non-human species may cavort?without garb but humans must wear such. This approach can also be used to determine who can ride in the front of the bus, which species may attend which schools and who must wear the Mark of the Beast. Once a species, ethnicity or color tone (as defined by a range of the spectrum) has been coded into a law, we will be able to brush our hands together, enforce the law and move on!

In general, i would support applying a law equally across?whatever group it applies to. My personal values are to judge people on performance rather than heritage.

5.? Should unjust laws be disobeyed?

Challenged, certainly. Disregarded? Depends upon the circumstances. A law that conflicts with an actor's?values must be addressed by that person according to their values with the understanding that consequences?exist.


Re: Friday Five May 3

 

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1.? The DEA has proposed rescheduling cannabis to relatively harmless - is this a good idea?

2.? ?Will the protests on college campuses spread this summer?

3.? Should animals be accorded the same rights to health, happiness and freedom of association as humans?

4.? ?Should government be colorblind in all aspects of regulation and law?

5.? Should unjust laws be disobeyed?


Hamas Brutality

 


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Another glimpse at the horror of life under Hamas, from Mosab Hassan Yousef, son of a Hamas founder, interviewed this time by Jordan Peterson. He was converted to helping Israel by the sheer goodness and decency of the Israelis, in sharp contrast to the sub-human brutality of Hamas. Only 10 minutes long, and fascinating.

Imprisoned for 16 months: Reality over Fiction - Mosab Hassan Yousef

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Re: Friday Five April 26

 

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1.? Should frozen Russian assets be converted to reparations for damage done to Ukraine by the Russian attacks?
Yes

2..? If you could easily change your name - what would you change it to?
I would not change my name.

3.? Are outside groups funding the protests on college campuses?
I don't know and I don't care.

4.? Does use of cell? phones impede social development of young people?
Only if permissions are not appropriately assigned

5.? How confident are you in current news sources?
It's easy to find out which sources are the most reputable and least biased. So I am pretty confident in the sources I get my news from.

Aloha,
Celeste Rogers


Re: Friday Five April 26

 

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1.? Should public officials be chargeable for violations of civil rights of individuals to the same degree that private individual are?

Yes, unless their actions were because of departmental policy which had not previously been determined to be a civil rights violation. As the definition of what constitutes a civil rights violation has become more clear over time and with judicial rulings, I don’t think an individual who was following a departmental policy which is later determined to be a civil rights violation, should be held personally liable for that policy before it was determined to be a civil rights violation. Once an action is known to be a civil rights violation per previous judicial rulings, then yes, the individual should be held accountable, even if it is a departmental policy. ?

2.? Have you experienced shrinkflation on?

Yes. I find it very annoying with food portions being cut, while the packaging is kept the same….or worse, the packaging is made larger to give the appearance of a larger size, but the food portion is kept the same. I know there is no practical way to do this, but I’d love if there were a law that food packaging had to be proportional to the food that is in it.
I’m sure the shrinkflation is happening with other stuff, its just not as noticeable with a bottle of Tylenol or dish soap, since those would take weeks to months to use up.

3.? Do you think employees of the Biden presidential campaign should be removed from the Trump trial jury pool?

I’d assume they are, as its standard to remove people who may have a bias due to their employment. But yes, I think employees of any presidential campaign, should be removed from a campaign concerning election fund fraud.

4.? Were you suprised by the taxes due on April 15 this year - whether you got a refund or not?

No, but then I expected my taxes to go up, as my children have been aging out of being my dependents and getting the child tax credit. This year, 1 child is no longer my dependent, and 1 child aged from the far more lucrative child-tax credit to the regular dependent credit—but I was aware that would be happening, so not surprised by my taxes increasing.

5.? Should Trump be allowed to attend his son's high school graduation?


Is it normal to stop a criminal trial to allow someone to attend their child’s graduation? Whatever would be done for a common person accused of election fund fraud, should also be done for Trump.
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1.? Should frozen Russian assets be converted to reparations for damage done to Ukraine by the Russian attacks?

Yes, it only makes sense to make the Russian government and its political leaders pay for the damage. The average Russian citizen doesn’t have assets in the US.

2..? If you could easily change your name - what would you change it to?

I would either change my last name to my husbands, or add his last name to mine. When we got married, it seemed stupid to change my name, plus it would be a lot of work. But 4 children later, it would make sense to have my name the same as theirs and my husbands. ?

3.? Are outside groups funding the protests on college campuses?

From what I’ve heard yes. And that many of the protesters are not students of the colleges being protested on.

4.? Does use of cell? phones impede social development of young people?

Yes to some extent. Communication via on-line means is a lot different from face-to-face communication. People need lots of practice of face to face communication to learn how to read body language, and how to watch what messages they are sending with their body language.

5.? How confident are you in current news sources?

Given that there are a plethora of news sources on-line, I am very confident. Every news source has some bias, some far more than others. All news sources in one country will have different biases than news sources in a different country. For most news, these biases play little role, and I would only need to check one source. For more controversial news, I can check several sources, including foreign sources (which often have the most unbiased reporting of US news,) and I am very confident I have as good a picture of that news story, as can be had.

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Re: [m-scholars-and-scribes] Re: Friday Five April 26

 

It's intensifying both egocentrism and groupthink. I'm typing this in a cell phone in a waiting room. The waiting room has disappeared.

On Apr 26, 2024, at 10:42, mrvnchpmn via groups.io <chapman@...> wrote:

4. Does use of cell phones impede social development of young people?

I think so - they spend so much time looking at screens they lose track of their surroundings.


Re: Friday Five April 26

 

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It contributes to depersonalizing social commerce. ?I'm talking to only a piece of you. ?Very efficient, though.



On Apr 26, 2024, at 10:45, Darrell King via groups.io <DarrellGKing@...> wrote:

4.? Does use of cell? phones impede social development of young people?

I think they may nurture it by making social interaction more pervasive and convenient.


Re: Friday Five April 26

 

Groupthink, period. It's in the air. A sign of Progress.

On Apr 26, 2024, at 10:45, Darrell King via groups.io <DarrellGKing@...> wrote:

Or maybe it is just a bunch of idealist youngsters expressing righteous outrage!


Re: Friday Five April 26

 

1.? Should frozen Russian assets be converted to reparations for damage done to Ukraine by the Russian attacks?

I guess it depends upon the assets and upon who is doing the freezing. To the victor go the spoils! Still, some assets belong to private citizens who were just patriotic in their behavior?

2.? If you could easily change your name - what would you change it to?

I am good, thank you. Been fond of Doc Savage since my pulp?fiction childhood, but I am kinda used to what I currently have.

3.? Are outside groups funding the protests on college campuses?

Special interests directly or indirectly fund everything. This seems a fairly effective terrorist strategy:civil unrest?and possibly fuel on the?fire for some larger cause. Great way to justify warlike behaviors by the investing parties as they can point to the campuses and claim the US citizenry is behind the Palestinian Liberation Cause. Since it is the Evil Capitalist Heathens in charge of the US who are oppressing the People and supporting Zionist criminal actions, we will rally alongside the Common Citizen and throw off the Yoke of Oppression.

I would not expect major changes based upon college protests, but it seems a viable ancillary strategy.

Or maybe it is just a bunch of idealist youngsters expressing righteous outrage!?

4.? Does use of cell? phones impede social development of young people?

I think they may nurture it by making social interaction more pervasive and convenient. Of course, it may not use the same nonverbals as older generations?used...

5.? How confident are you in current news sources?

Not really?very confident at all. I can see the more obvious?biases, but the impacts?of cash gifts and other clouding factors, including unintended and incidental ones, likely skew the final product in every case. I try to gather broad patterns?and aligning statements from multiple sources to distill some objective reality. I believe Israel?was struck by Hamas, Israel?invaded Gaza, Ukraine is fighting Russia, a volcano blew in indonesia and that the US Midwest is very windy right now! I do not know what to believe about Trump, Biden, the actual chances of imminent global thermonuclear war, visitations of extraterrestrial?spacefarers, the possibility of significant viral release?from the thawing permafrost, or how soon New York's waterfront will be flooded for the long term.

Did I mention that my distrust?extends to most of the sources feeding the news as well as to the agencies themselves?

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Re: [m-scholars-and-scribes] Re: Friday Five April 26

 

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1.? Should frozen Russian assets be converted to reparations for damage done to Ukraine by the Russian attacks?

Yes - especially since a lot of that money is claimed by Putin himself and much more by his crnoies

2..? If you could easily change your name - what would you change it to?

John Clark.? First about six generations ago I had ancestors named Clark.? Second Tom Clancy has a character named John Clark - who is the ultimate badass.

3.? Are outside groups funding the protests on college campuses?

Very likely

4.? Does use of cell? phones impede social development of young people?

I think so - they spend so much time looking at screens they lose track of their surroundings.

5.? How confident are you in current news sources?

Somewhere near 50% but I'm not at all sure of which 50% to believe




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Re: Friday Five April 26

 

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1.? Should frozen Russian assets be converted to reparations for damage done to Ukraine by the Russian attacks?

2..? If you could easily change your name - what would you change it to?

3.? Are outside groups funding the protests on college campuses?

4.? Does use of cell? phones impede social development of young people?

5.? How confident are you in current news sources?




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Reformed Hamas Militant Speaks Out

 

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This is an absolutely riveting conversation between Douglas Murray and Mosab Hassan Yousef, who is the son of a founder of Hamas, born and raised in Gaza, was part of Hamas, and then became an informant for Israel. ?You don't want to miss this.

?Reformed Hamas Militant Speaks Out - The Truth about Israel-Gaza.

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Re: Friday Five April 19

 

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The machines have taken over, completely. ?To the medical machines and their tenders - who are themselves organic machines - patients are malfunctioning machines. ?Period. ?In the machine model of existence *everything* is a machine or a part of a machine. ?The idea that the patient is a human creature is a fiction, akin to superstition. ?When the human creature within the patient asserts himself and becomes a nuisance - asking too many questions, responding too slowly or inappropriately, and so forth - the nuisance must be disposed of efficiently. ?It must not be allowed to interfere with the testing, the documenting, the research, and any indicated remediation.


On Apr 20, 2024, at 23:48, Darrell King via groups.io <DarrellGKing@...> wrote:

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The whole tradition and culture of Nursing is about human caring coupled with evidence-based science. Nurses (and their extended staff) are still the clinicians having the most patient contact, thus the ones with the biggest opportunity to translate this bureaucracy?into a healing process. Unfortunately, healthcare is a profit-driven industry and the medical model reigns supreme in the Western world: healthcare deals with the anatomy and physiology of disease while the emotional impact and the psychology of recovery are best regulated to non-healthcare support staff. Nursing resists this, trying to quantify?the benefits of coaching and caring in ways that make sense to the bean-counters and researchers.

Where doctors are the strategic directors (like military officers), nurses are the tactical experts who translate the battle plans into field results (think NCO's.) Your nurse was doing what she joined nursing to do, but she was subject to the orders and policies of those who outrank her.

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On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 8:35?PM Roland Dartau via <rdartau=[email protected]> wrote:

I'm seeing a lot of the machinery that is modern medical care these days, as I accompany my wife from specialist appointment to specialist appointment, from test to test.? It's a nightmare, with an almost total absence of caring people.? I hope I'm never in the position of having to put my life into their hands.

We came, briefly, the other day across a nurse who was a human being.? Such a relief.? Then, of course, she was gone.? She'd performed her task and ushered us out.

> On Apr 20, 2024, at 11:05, Darrell King via <DarrellGKing=[email protected]> wrote:
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> Rarely do we admit that the system is overloaded and simply broke down. This might cost consumer confidence and interfere with geroiatric Medicare farming.






Re: Friday Five April 19

 

The whole tradition and culture of Nursing is about human caring coupled with evidence-based science. Nurses (and their extended staff) are still the clinicians having the most patient contact, thus the ones with the biggest opportunity to translate this bureaucracy?into a healing process. Unfortunately, healthcare is a profit-driven industry and the medical model reigns supreme in the Western world: healthcare deals with the anatomy and physiology of disease while the emotional impact and the psychology of recovery are best regulated to non-healthcare support staff. Nursing resists this, trying to quantify?the benefits of coaching and caring in ways that make sense to the bean-counters and researchers.

Where doctors are the strategic directors (like military officers), nurses are the tactical experts who translate the battle plans into field results (think NCO's.) Your nurse was doing what she joined nursing to do, but she was subject to the orders and policies of those who outrank her.

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On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 8:35?PM Roland Dartau via <rdartau=[email protected]> wrote:

I'm seeing a lot of the machinery that is modern medical care these days, as I accompany my wife from specialist appointment to specialist appointment, from test to test.? It's a nightmare, with an almost total absence of caring people.? I hope I'm never in the position of having to put my life into their hands.

We came, briefly, the other day across a nurse who was a human being.? Such a relief.? Then, of course, she was gone.? She'd performed her task and ushered us out.

> On Apr 20, 2024, at 11:05, Darrell King via <DarrellGKing=[email protected]> wrote:
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> Rarely do we admit that the system is overloaded and simply broke down. This might cost consumer confidence and interfere with geroiatric Medicare farming.