Re: F;riday Five April 30
1.? Should being intoxicated with marijuana be an excuse for committing hoimicide?
No, though being mentally impaired may mitigate the seriousness of the crime. 2.? What modern country do you next think will suffer a political overthrow of it's constituted government?
The USA has just had a political overthrow, and may have another one in two or four years, but I suspect that some country that we don't think of that is badly-governed and suffering from covid stress may be next.? Perhaps Venezuela or North Korea, or Turkey.? It also depends the definitions of ?'political overthrow," and "modern country."
3.? ?What do you use as your primary sounce of information about the politics of your country?
The media of other countries.? That would be the BBC and The Economist, though both are UK sources and prone to be more liberal than Democrats, but they are less biased than our domestic media, which is extremist on both sides.
4.? What is the most hypocritical news report about a politician you have heard this week?
The Biden administration's claims that they are going to help out countries needing vaccines by giving them 60 million doses of the AstraZenica vaccine that isn't approved by our government yet, but not until we approve the vaccine. ? There are literally billions of peole who are dying because the Biden administration hoarded hundreds of millions of vaccines that we didn't need, and now they are being doled out in small quantities to the countries we like, part of the global vaccine diplomacy that Russia and China are using to punish other countries.
5.? Are the rights enumerated in the constitution absolute or are they at the discretion of the president.? (This first came to light in 1917)
They should be absolute, with the exception of wartime and disasters like epidemics. ? However, those rights have been eroded by the government exaggerating disasters and threats like the war on terrorism, which hasn't produced any real results except thousands ?of useless ?government intelligence agents who mostly entrap young muslims.
Ed
On Friday, April 30, 2021, Darrell King < DarrellGKing@...> wrote:
1.? Should being intoxicated with marijuana be an excuse for committing hoimicide?
Duh. Simply being intoxicated, even as a medicinal side-effect, should not? Sounded a little like they were also referencing a psychiatric condition, but it was not clear enough. Marijuanause does have a positive correlation with psychosis in the U.S. Still, if the use is voluntary and the decision made by a capable adult, then no excuse. STay sober if you cannot be safely intoxicated.
2.? What modern country do you next think will suffer a political overthrow of it's constituted government?
I do not have a serious answer, but I had the impulse to respond that the U.S. is already enroute.
3.? ?What do you use as your primary sounce of information about the politics of your country?
News and Internet commentary.
4.? What is the most hypocritical news report about a politician you have heard this week?
Did Biden state any regrets about the border mess yet?
5.?
Are the rights enumerated in the constitution absolute or are they at
the discretion of the president.? (This first came to light in 1917)
Neither? The rights are to be applied reasonably as broad situational guidelines.
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 8:25 PM mrvnchpmn < chapman@...> wrote:
1.? Should being intoxicated with marijuana be an excuse for committing hoimicide?
2.? What modern country do you next think will suffer a political overthrow of it's constituted government?
3.? ?What do you use as your primary sounce of information about the politics of your country?
4.? What is the most hypocritical news report about a politician you have heard this week?
5.? Are the rights enumerated in the constitution absolute or are they at the discretion of the president.? (This first came to light in 1917)
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Re: F;riday Five April 30
1.? Should being intoxicated with marijuana be an excuse for committing hoimicide?
Duh. Simply being intoxicated, even as a medicinal side-effect, should not? Sounded a little like they were also referencing a psychiatric condition, but it was not clear enough. Marijuanause does have a positive correlation with psychosis in the U.S. Still, if the use is voluntary and the decision made by a capable adult, then no excuse. STay sober if you cannot be safely intoxicated.
2.? What modern country do you next think will suffer a political overthrow of it's constituted government?
I do not have a serious answer, but I had the impulse to respond that the U.S. is already enroute.
3.? ?What do you use as your primary sounce of information about the politics of your country?
News and Internet commentary.
4.? What is the most hypocritical news report about a politician you have heard this week?
Did Biden state any regrets about the border mess yet?
5.?
Are the rights enumerated in the constitution absolute or are they at
the discretion of the president.? (This first came to light in 1917)
Neither? The rights are to be applied reasonably as broad situational guidelines.
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 8:25 PM mrvnchpmn < chapman@...> wrote:
1.? Should being intoxicated with marijuana be an excuse for committing hoimicide?
2.? What modern country do you next think will suffer a political overthrow of it's constituted government?
3.? ?What do you use as your primary sounce of information about the politics of your country?
4.? What is the most hypocritical news report about a politician you have heard this week?
5.? Are the rights enumerated in the constitution absolute or are they at the discretion of the president.? (This first came to light in 1917)
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Re: F;riday Five April 30
1.? Should being intoxicated with marijuana be an excuse for committing hoimicide?
https://www.westernjournal.com/infuriating-ruling-court-decides-drug-user-cannot-held-criminally-responsible-throwing-elderly-woman-death/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=ams&utm_campaign=can&utm_content=wj
2.? What modern country do you next think will suffer a political overthrow of it's constituted government?
3.? ?What do you use as your primary sounce of information about the politics of your country?
4.? What is the most hypocritical news report about a politician you have heard this week?
5.? Are the rights enumerated in the constitution absolute or are they at the discretion of the president.? (This first came to light in 1917)
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vaccines, lockdowns - England
The vaccines worked. We can safely lift lockdown
We are writing as scientists and scholars concerned about the confused and contradictory directions currently being promoted in the management of the Covid-19 pandemic. We are being told simultaneously that we have successful vaccines and that major restrictions on everyday life must continue indefinitely. Both propositions cannot be true. We need to give more weight to the data on the actual success of the vaccines and less to theoretical risks of vaccine escape and/or surge in a largely vaccinated population. It is time to reassess where we are and where we go next. Phase One of the Covid-19 vaccination programme will shortly be completed, with every vulnerable adult in the UK having been offered two injections. It is clear that the vaccines are fully delivering on the promise of the clinical trials. We can be very confident that they will reduce Covid deaths by around 98 per cent and serious illness by 80-85 per cent. This level of protection against serious illness seems not to be significantly affected by any of the variants that have been observed, because of the breadth of T-cell responses. There are sound evolutionary reasons why this is unlikely to change in the near future with new variants. In short, the level of population immunity we have now achieved by targeted vaccination and natural infection means that the SARS-Cov-2 virus in the UK has become demonstrably less fatal than seasonal influenza viruses. Given this, it is time to recognize that, in our substantially vaccinated population, Covid-19 will take its place among the 30 or so respiratory viral diseases with which humans have historically co-existed. This has been explicitly accepted in a number of recent statements by the Chief Medical Officer. For most vaccinated and other low-risk people, Covid-19 is now a mild endemic infection, likely to recur in seasonal waves which renew immunity without significantly stressing the NHS. Covid-19 no longer requires exceptional measures of control in everyday life, especially where there have been no evaluations and little credible evidence of benefit. Measures to reduce or discourage social interaction are extremely damaging to the mental health of citizens; to the education of children and young people; to people with disabilities; to new entrants to the workforce; and to the spontaneous personal connections from which innovation and enterprise emerge. The DfE recommendations on face covering and social distancing in schools should never have been extended beyond Easter and should cease no later than 17 May. Mandatory face coverings, physical distancing and mass community testing should cease no later than 21 June along with other controls and impositions. All consideration of immunity documentation should cease. There will be continuing value in investments towards better vaccines with a broader spectrum of action against the virus; in establishing a genuinely voluntary, targeted surveillance programme with a genomic component to monitor the spread and evolution of the virus; and in improving social security provision to encourage people to stay at home if experiencing respiratory symptoms. Just as before the pandemic, it will remain desirable to promote general standards of public hygiene, such as thorough handwashing and surface cleaning, although neither has been shown to be particularly important in reducing SARS-Cov-2 transmission. There would also be value in increasing the ability of the NHS to deal with surges of infection, although these are as likely to come from other respiratory infections as from Covid-19, and to ensure good care for long Covid. We have learned that a good society cannot be created by obsessive focus on a single cause of ill-health. Having endured the ravages of 2020, things are very different as we enter the spring of 2021. It is more than time for citizens to take back control of their own lives. - Professor Ryan Anderson, Translational Science, Medicines Discovery Catapult
- Dr Colin Axon, Mechanical Engineering, Brunel University
- Professor Anthony Brookes,?Genomics and Bioinformatics, University of Leicester
- Professor Jackie Cassell, FFPH, Deputy Dean, Brighton and Sussex Medical School
- Professor Angus Dalgleish, FRCP, FRCPath, FMedSci, Oncology, St George's, University of London
- Professor Robert Dingwall, FAcSS, HonMFPH, Sociology, Nottingham Trent University
- Professor Sunetra Gupta, Theoretical Epidemiology, University of Oxford
- Professor Carl Heneghan, MRCGP, Centre for Evidence Based Medicine, University of Oxford
- Professor Mike Hulme, Human Geography, University of Cambridge
- Dr John Lee?¨C formerly Pathology, Hull York Medical School
- Professor David Livermore,?Medical Microbiology, University of East Anglia.
- Professor Paul McKeigue?Genetic Epidemiology and Statistical Genetics, University of Edinburgh
- Professor David Paton,?Industrial Economics, University of Nottingham
- Emeritus Professor Hugh Pennington,?CBE, FRCPath, FRCP (Edin), FMedSci, FRSE, Bacteriology, University of Aberdeen
- Dr Gerry Quinn,?Biomedical Sciences, University of Ulster
- Dr Roland Salmon,?MRCGP, FFPH, former Director of the Communicable Disease Surveillance Centre (Wales).
- Emeritus Professor John Scott, CBE, FRSA, FBA, FAcSS, Sociology, University of Essex
- Professor Karol Sikora, FRCR, FRCP, FFPM, Medicine, University of Buckingham
- Professor Ellen Townsend, Psychology, University of Nottingham
- Dr Chao Wang,?Health & Social Care Statistics, Kingston University and St George's, University of London,
- Professor John Watkins, Epidemiology, Cardiff University
- Professor Lisa White, Modelling and Epidemiology, University of Oxford
This letter originally appeared in the?Mail on Sunday?. ¡ª
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1. ?Would you ride in an autonomous vehicle on a public street?
I would find it a bit scary so not yet. Maybe someday as it becomes more common.
2. ?Tasers - should they have handles shaped like police issue firearms?
They should be as different in shape as possible so there is less chance for the policemen to grab the wrong weapon.
3. ?Do you think the verdict in the Chauvin trial was just?
Yes, now we have to wait for the sentence. If he is given a light sentence there will be riots and chaos again throughout the US.
4. ?Do you think the riots in the US cities will continue now that the Chauvin trial is over?
Read answer above.
5. ?Do you think the mask requirements will be lifted within a year?
It's too soon and to lift them would be a big mistake.
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Re: [m-scholars-and-scribes] Re: Friday Five April 23
1.? Would you ride in an autonomous vehicle on a public street?
I have ridden on a monorail in Las Vegas but would never ride in an autonomous vehicle on a public street
Monorails are on closed, controlled courses, no? ?Apples and oranges. ?Pineapples and fire hydrants.
3.? Do you think the verdict in the Chauvin trial was just?
Not in the slightest.
Too many variables we don¡¯t know about. ?But I agree with you in the sense that any juror voting for less than the maximum verdict would have become known and his or her life would have been made hell. ?There should have been a change of venue. ?I know, it was requested and denied. ?Very bad.
4.? Do you think the riots in the US cities will continue now that the Chauvin trial is over?
Already have
Rioting in a ¡°just cause¡± has been sanctified by mass media. ?It¡¯s labeled ¡°protesting¡±.
5.? Do you think the mask requirements will be lifted within a year?
No
Who knows? ?Many different jurisdictions, at least in America. ?Does it matter much? ?Now that the precedent has been set and approved in effect by, apparently, the great majority, lockdowns and masking are now a part of any local politician¡¯s armamentarium. ?They¡¯ll be sprung at a moment¡¯s notice.
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Re: [m-scholars-and-scribes] Re: Friday Five April 23
1.? Would you ride in an autonomous vehicle on a public street?
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After adequate testing, yes. I am getting too old to be driving. I deserve a cheap chauffeur.
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2.? Tasers - should they have handles shaped like police issue firearms?
?
Duh. Next Question.
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3.? Do you think the verdict in the Chauvin trial was just?
?
No. I do think Chauvin showed poor judgement, poor interpersonal skills and a poor sense of public image. Either he was paid to be an idiot or he just is not the brightest bulb. Still, I think that the media circus influenced that trial as well.
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4.? Do you think the riots in the US cities will continue now that the Chauvin trial is over?
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Yes. Protests, too.
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5.? Do you think the mask requirements will be lifted within a year?
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No
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Re: [m-scholars-and-scribes] Re: Friday Five April 23
- 1.? Would you ride in an autonomous vehicle on a public street?
I have ridden on a monorail in Las Vegas but would never ride in an autonomous vehicle on a public street
2.? Tasers - should they have handles shaped like police issue firearms?
Pure insanity.? Any one who has worked in emergency services knows that in times of stress people work under instinct.? They don't look at what they are grabbing.
3.? Do you think the verdict in the Chauvin trial was just?
Not in the slightest.
4.? Do you think the riots in the US cities will continue now that the Chauvin trial is over?
Already have
5.? Do you think the mask requirements will be lifted within a year?
No
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Re: Mormon sex therapist in trouble.....
No, these were garden-variety Mormons, six kids and all.? I didn't know that the church banned contraception then, but one father was a bishop and the other was rather devout. Ed
On Thursday, April 22, 2021, FreedomRocks < HomeOfLove69@...> wrote: <<? That wasn't true in the seventies in Idaho.? My friend's father was a bishop and the bishop and his wife used them. A Mormon neighbor called a Mormon plumber I knew to free a plugged pipe to the septic tank.? The pipe was clogged with used condoms.>> ? Technically, there are several ¡°denominations¡± of ¡°Mormons¡±, so rules will differ between them. The, by far, largest group, the LDS, bans contraception (I think they might have a health clause that allows it in specific cases), but just like the Catholics, many, if not most laypeople ignore the rules. The RLDS is the 2nd largest group, and they are more liberal, I wouldn¡¯t be surprised if they allow it, but I¡¯m not sure. ? Rhonda
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Re: Mormon sex therapist in trouble.....
<<? That wasn't true in the seventies in Idaho.? My friend's father was a bishop and the bishop and his wife used them. A Mormon neighbor called a Mormon plumber I knew to free a plugged pipe to the septic tank.? The pipe was clogged with used condoms.>> ? Technically, there are several ¡°denominations¡± of ¡°Mormons¡±, so rules will differ between them. The, by far, largest group, the LDS, bans contraception (I think they might have a health clause that allows it in specific cases), but just like the Catholics, many, if not most laypeople ignore the rules. The RLDS is the 2nd largest group, and they are more liberal, I wouldn¡¯t be surprised if they allow it, but I¡¯m not sure. ? Rhonda
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Britain must be open for all - spiked
Britain must be open for allThe government must listen to hospitality ¨C and drop its plan for vaccine passports.
A year into lockdown, we run the risk of never getting back to normal as we knew it. Even though the government has pulled off the incredible feat of vaccinating over 32million people ¨C more than 50 per cent of the population, leading to say we have now reached ¡®herd immunity¡¯ ¨C we are nonetheless having a fierce and raging debate about introducing new restrictions: domestic vaccine passports or Covid certificates.
Britain has always resisted the introduction of ID cards. We have a prime minister who, in 2004, : ¡®I will take that card out of my wallet and physically eat it in the presence of whatever emanation of the state has demanded that I produce it.¡¯ Vaccines minister Nadhim Zahawi said unequivocally that there were no plans to introduce vaccine passports. Like Boris, Michael Gove was to ID cards in the past, but he is now in charge of overseeing their introduction in the form of Covid passes.
I enthusiastically took my mother to have her vaccination, and have been jabbed myself. I think the development of the Covid vaccine is an extraordinary human achievement ¨C and the UK rollout has been a fantastic success. But being in favour of vaccines is not the same as being in favour of vaccine passports. That would mean forcing our much-loved pubs, clubs, restaurants, festivals, sports arenas, theatres and retail to demand to see our health papers. It¡¯s not British, it¡¯s not necessary, and it¡¯s deeply discriminatory.
This is why some of the biggest names in hospitality ¨C professional entrepreneurs, operators and owners of venues in the UK ¨C have united to launch ¨C a charter for all licenced premises and events.
Peter Marks is chief executive of Rekom UK, Britain¡¯s largest specialist late-night bar operator. He has had a brutal year thanks to lockdown. He tells me he was inundated by emails from customers, mostly young, saying they will not attend any venue that demands Covid certificates for entry. There was a similarly angry reaction from customers at the Hot Water Comedy Club in Liverpool. The venue later when its owners realised they were being primed to impose Covid-ID checks.
These checks are simply not needed. Don¡¯t just take it from me. Listen to , one of Britain¡¯s foremost businessmen. Or Dan Davies, chairman of the Institute of Licensing and board member of UK Hospitality. There¡¯s also Steve Perez of Global Brands, and djs Danny Rampling and Norman Jay. They won¡¯t be participating in the draconian, misguided and discriminatory policy of checking for health papers.
It¡¯s not just hospitality, either. The has also come out strongly against domestic vaccine passports.
Surely the government must get the message now. The majority of adults over 60 have been vaccinated. Even before this, hospitality venues were responsible for less than three per cent of Covid transmission (in stark contrast to hospitals and care homes, where the government¡¯s focus should have been). It is time for calm and reason to prevail.
While Open For All is an independent initiative, I have long been an advocate for nightlife and hospitality, particularly since I co-founded the Night Time Industries Association back in 2005, with Alex Proud and Steve Ball (both signatories of the charter) and others. I spent many years talking to government ministers and council leaders about the benefits of nightlife to the UK. From the Romans onwards, tabernae, pubs and inns have been the lifeblood of Britain. Nightlife is part of the very fabric of who we are. Marshall Berman, in his opus, All That Is Solid Melts Into Air, talks about the creation of the modern city. It is impossible to imagine our towns and cities without the social hubs that are pubs, clubs and events. We would do well to remember that the Enlightenment sailed in on the back of salons, pubs and inns. These are the places where we meet to talk, argue, discuss ideas, fall in love and relax.
But in the past decade or so, local authorities have been burdening venues with more and more regulation. Health passports would make it even more difficult to keep nightlife alive. Few in government want to recognise that hospitality brings in ?130 billion per annum, employing 10 per cent of our workforce. It¡¯s worth five per cent of our GNP, making it our fourth largest economic sector.
People have made enormous sacrifices and adjustments over the past year, but we cannot allow fear to change Britain forever. We can see the light at the end of the tunnel now. We must all resoundingly declare that we shall not, under any circumstances, demand Covid passports or certificates as a condition for entry, anywhere.
Alan D Miller is co-founder of , Recovery and the NTIA. He is writing in personal capacity. Follow him on Twitter: . ¡ª
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Re: [m-scholars-and-scribes] Friday Five April 16
On Apr 17, 2021, at 17:20, mrvnchpmn <chapman@...> wrote:
4? ? Do you think masks will eventually not be required in public?
Unfortunately probably not
Agreed. ?Masks are here to stay. ?There¡¯ll always be a health emergency. ?(The Wanpunga virus!) ?Yo-yo lockdowns are the price of peace of mind. ?Until just a year ago, we had no idea how frightfully endangered we were. ?We used to get old and sick and die. ?Now, we believe that if we can stay alive long enough we¡¯ll never die. ?We know they can do it - all we have to do is keep doing exactly as they say. ?Never question Master. ?Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
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Re: [m-scholars-and-scribes] Friday Five April 16
Ed probably feels about the same - wishes he could have two Ferraris, a Porsche, and a stable of thoroughbreds at his third home in France. ?I¡¯d like to be able to afford to replace my old hi-fi and install curbing to keep the street runoff from killing my hedges. ?All of us are at least relatively impoverished, except for maybe the world¡¯s three thousand billionaires.
¡ª On Apr 17, 2021, at 17:20, mrvnchpmn <chapman@...> wrote:
2.? How would you define the tribe you belong to?
Poor and incapbable of attaining the lifestyle they want
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Re: [m-scholars-and-scribes] Friday Five April 16
1.? Do you see tribalism in your local culture?
Very definitely
2.? How would you define the tribe you belong to?
Poor and incapbable of attaining the lifestyle they want
3.? What do you think the COVID 19 infection rate has been in the overall population in your state/provicnce/small country?
In Humboldt County the positive test rate is somewhere around 3 percent.? I have no idea nationally or internationally
4? ? Do you think masks will eventually not be required in public?
Unfortunately probably not
5.? ? What percentage of the population do you think will need to be immunized to attain herd immuinity?
70 &=% - a SWAG - Scientific Wild Ass Guess
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Re: Mormon sex therapist in trouble.....
"Maybe they figured that title would sell a lot more books." Gerry
Not this one: "The Duty to Stand Aside: Nineteen Eighty-Four and the Wartime Quarrel of George Orwell and Alex Comfort" by Eric Laursen I had no idea who Alex Comfort was, or that one of his works was "The Joy of Sex." ?Comfort was a strange bird, but was involved in a range of interests.
I read the book because I know the author, and half-wonder if he was shooting for the" Bookseller/Diagram Prize for the Oddest Book Title of the Year."
The publisher is AK Press, ?an anarchist publishing house, which is also an interesting site to peruse, though I probably won't buy anything there.
Ed
On Friday, April 16, 2021, Gerry Archer < archer75@...> wrote:?
Heh! Heh! Maybe they figured that title would sell a lot more books.
Gerry
On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 12:40:21 -0700
"Ed Lomas" <relomas2@...> wrote:
> I haven't read "All About Men," but that reminds me; I just finished
> reading a book about a wartime debate between George Orwell and Alex
> Comfort, who wrote "The Joy of Sex."? The debate had nothing to do with
> sex, though.
> Ed
>
> On Friday, April 16, 2021, Gerry Archer <archer75@...> wrote:
>
> > That was back in the late 50's or early 60's so they must have changed the
> > rules later. They had no more children while they were living near us and I
> > suspect the bishop was following the old rule since his personality
> > changed. Before he was always cheerful and friendly but then he became
> > solemn and disinclined to talk like he had before. With some people, sex is
> > a big part of their married life according to what I've read about the
> > sexual nature of people; Masters and Johnson for example. Have you ever
> > read a book titled "All About Men"? It was written by a non-Mormon doctor
> > practicing among Mormons and non-Mormons. It was a very good true-to-life
> > bio.
> > probably written about his life in the early 20th century.
> > Gerry
> >
> > On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 11:38:45 -0700
> > "Ed Lomas" <relomas2@...> wrote:
> >
> > > "The bishop....said contraceptives were a no-no so I asked him what a
> > > couple does when they have all the children they want. He said we just
> > > don't do sex."
> > > Gerry
> > >
> > > That wasn't true in the seventies in Idaho.? My friend's father was a
> > > bishop and the bishop and his wife used them. A Mormon neighbor called a
> > > Mormon plumber I knew to free a plugged pipe to the septic tank.? The
> > pipe
> > > was clogged with used condoms.
> > > Ed
> > >
> > > On Friday, April 16, 2021, Gerry Archer <archer75@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > We had a Mormon "bishop" or whatever they call their local preachers
> > > > living near us. He worked at the university and he and his wife went
> > to a
> > > > party type function. Someone fixed his wife a strong drink. I don't
> > know if
> > > > she didn't realize it was alcoholic or just didn't care, but
> > apparently she
> > > > was feeling no pain. The bishop said something about when they have
> > their
> > > > next child. His wife said: "you can tell that old boy at the temple in
> > SLC
> > > > I'm not having any more children; 6 is enough. The bishop said: Be
> > still.
> > > > You don't know what you are saying."
> > > > That's all I remember from the tech who was at the party. I always
> > > > wondered if she did have more children. She was a descendant of one of
> > the
> > > > original settlers according to the bishop.
> > > > Gerry
> > > > PS: The bishop often bugged me about becoming a Mormon and I asked him
> > > > questions about how Mormonism actually works. He said contraceptives
> > were a
> > > > no-no so I asked him what a couple does when they have all the children
> > > > they want. He said we just don't do sex. I thought "wow" and didn't
> > say any
> > > > more.
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 10:06:06 -0700
> > > > "Ed Lomas" <relomas2@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > ..,,facing excommunication for acting like all-other non-Mormon sex
> > > > therapists:
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Re: Mormon sex therapist in trouble.....
Heh! Heh! Maybe they figured that title would sell a lot more books. Gerry On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 12:40:21 -0700 "Ed Lomas" <relomas2@...> wrote: I haven't read "All About Men," but that reminds me; I just finished
reading a book about a wartime debate between George Orwell and Alex
Comfort, who wrote "The Joy of Sex." The debate had nothing to do with
sex, though.
Ed
On Friday, April 16, 2021, Gerry Archer <archer75@...> wrote:
That was back in the late 50's or early 60's so they must have changed the
rules later. They had no more children while they were living near us and I
suspect the bishop was following the old rule since his personality
changed. Before he was always cheerful and friendly but then he became
solemn and disinclined to talk like he had before. With some people, sex is
a big part of their married life according to what I've read about the
sexual nature of people; Masters and Johnson for example. Have you ever
read a book titled "All About Men"? It was written by a non-Mormon doctor
practicing among Mormons and non-Mormons. It was a very good true-to-life
bio.
probably written about his life in the early 20th century.
Gerry
On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 11:38:45 -0700
"Ed Lomas" <relomas2@...> wrote:
"The bishop....said contraceptives were a no-no so I asked him what a
couple does when they have all the children they want. He said we just
don't do sex."
Gerry
That wasn't true in the seventies in Idaho. My friend's father was a
bishop and the bishop and his wife used them. A Mormon neighbor called a
Mormon plumber I knew to free a plugged pipe to the septic tank. The pipe
was clogged with used condoms.
Ed
On Friday, April 16, 2021, Gerry Archer <archer75@...> wrote:
We had a Mormon "bishop" or whatever they call their local preachers
living near us. He worked at the university and he and his wife went to a
party type function. Someone fixed his wife a strong drink. I don't
know if
she didn't realize it was alcoholic or just didn't care, but
apparently she
was feeling no pain. The bishop said something about when they have
their
next child. His wife said: "you can tell that old boy at the temple in
SLC
I'm not having any more children; 6 is enough. The bishop said: Be
still.
You don't know what you are saying."
That's all I remember from the tech who was at the party. I always
wondered if she did have more children. She was a descendant of one of
the
original settlers according to the bishop.
Gerry
PS: The bishop often bugged me about becoming a Mormon and I asked him
questions about how Mormonism actually works. He said contraceptives
were a
no-no so I asked him what a couple does when they have all the children
they want. He said we just don't do sex. I thought "wow" and didn't
say any
more.
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Re: Mormon sex therapist in trouble.....
I haven't read "All About Men," but that reminds me; I just finished reading a book about a wartime debate between George Orwell and Alex Comfort, who wrote "The Joy of Sex." ?The debate had nothing to do with sex, though. Ed
On Friday, April 16, 2021, Gerry Archer < archer75@...> wrote: That was back in the late 50's or early 60's so they must have changed the rules later. They had no more children while they were living near us and I suspect the bishop was following the old rule since his personality changed. Before he was always cheerful and friendly but then he became solemn and disinclined to talk like he had before. With some people, sex is a big part of their married life according to what I've read about the sexual nature of people; Masters and Johnson for example. Have you ever read a book titled "All About Men"? It was written by a non-Mormon doctor practicing among Mormons and non-Mormons. It was a very good true-to-life bio.
probably written about his life in the early 20th century.
Gerry
On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 11:38:45 -0700
"Ed Lomas" <relomas2@...> wrote:
> "The bishop....said contraceptives were a no-no so I asked him what a
> couple does when they have all the children they want. He said we just
> don't do sex."
> Gerry
>
> That wasn't true in the seventies in Idaho.? My friend's father was a
> bishop and the bishop and his wife used them. A Mormon neighbor called a
> Mormon plumber I knew to free a plugged pipe to the septic tank.? The pipe
> was clogged with used condoms.
> Ed
>
> On Friday, April 16, 2021, Gerry Archer <archer75@...> wrote:
>
> > We had a Mormon "bishop" or whatever they call their local preachers
> > living near us. He worked at the university and he and his wife went to a
> > party type function. Someone fixed his wife a strong drink. I don't know if
> > she didn't realize it was alcoholic or just didn't care, but apparently she
> > was feeling no pain. The bishop said something about when they have their
> > next child. His wife said: "you can tell that old boy at the temple in SLC
> > I'm not having any more children; 6 is enough. The bishop said: Be still.
> > You don't know what you are saying."
> > That's all I remember from the tech who was at the party. I always
> > wondered if she did have more children. She was a descendant of one of the
> > original settlers according to the bishop.
> > Gerry
> > PS: The bishop often bugged me about becoming a Mormon and I asked him
> > questions about how Mormonism actually works. He said contraceptives were a
> > no-no so I asked him what a couple does when they have all the children
> > they want. He said we just don't do sex. I thought "wow" and didn't say any
> > more.
> >
> > On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 10:06:06 -0700
> > "Ed Lomas" <relomas2@...> wrote:
> >
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Re: Mormon sex therapist in trouble.....
That was back in the late 50's or early 60's so they must have changed the rules later. They had no more children while they were living near us and I suspect the bishop was following the old rule since his personality changed. Before he was always cheerful and friendly but then he became solemn and disinclined to talk like he had before. With some people, sex is a big part of their married life according to what I've read about the sexual nature of people; Masters and Johnson for example. Have you ever read a book titled "All About Men"? It was written by a non-Mormon doctor practicing among Mormons and non-Mormons. It was a very good true-to-life bio. probably written about his life in the early 20th century. Gerry On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 11:38:45 -0700 "Ed Lomas" <relomas2@...> wrote: "The bishop....said contraceptives were a no-no so I asked him what a
couple does when they have all the children they want. He said we just
don't do sex."
Gerry
That wasn't true in the seventies in Idaho. My friend's father was a
bishop and the bishop and his wife used them. A Mormon neighbor called a
Mormon plumber I knew to free a plugged pipe to the septic tank. The pipe
was clogged with used condoms.
Ed
On Friday, April 16, 2021, Gerry Archer <archer75@...> wrote:
We had a Mormon "bishop" or whatever they call their local preachers
living near us. He worked at the university and he and his wife went to a
party type function. Someone fixed his wife a strong drink. I don't know if
she didn't realize it was alcoholic or just didn't care, but apparently she
was feeling no pain. The bishop said something about when they have their
next child. His wife said: "you can tell that old boy at the temple in SLC
I'm not having any more children; 6 is enough. The bishop said: Be still.
You don't know what you are saying."
That's all I remember from the tech who was at the party. I always
wondered if she did have more children. She was a descendant of one of the
original settlers according to the bishop.
Gerry
PS: The bishop often bugged me about becoming a Mormon and I asked him
questions about how Mormonism actually works. He said contraceptives were a
no-no so I asked him what a couple does when they have all the children
they want. He said we just don't do sex. I thought "wow" and didn't say any
more.
On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 10:06:06 -0700
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"The bishop....said contraceptives were a no-no so I asked him what a couple does when they have all the children they want. He said we just don't do sex."Gerry
That wasn't true in the seventies in Idaho.? My friend's father was a bishop and the bishop and his wife used them. A Mormon neighbor called a Mormon plumber I knew to free a plugged pipe to the septic tank.? The pipe was clogged with used condoms. Ed
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On Friday, April 16, 2021, Gerry Archer < archer75@...> wrote: We had a Mormon "bishop" or whatever they call their local preachers living near us. He worked at the university and he and his wife went to a party type function. Someone fixed his wife a strong drink. I don't know if she didn't realize it was alcoholic or just didn't care, but apparently she was feeling no pain. The bishop said something about when they have their next child. His wife said: "you can tell that old boy at the temple in SLC I'm not having any more children; 6 is enough. The bishop said: Be still. You don't know what you are saying."
That's all I remember from the tech who was at the party. I always wondered if she did have more children. She was a descendant of one of the original settlers according to the bishop.
Gerry
PS: The bishop often bugged me about becoming a Mormon and I asked him questions about how Mormonism actually works. He said contraceptives were a no-no so I asked him what a couple does when they have all the children they want. He said we just don't do sex. I thought "wow" and didn't say any more.
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We had a Mormon "bishop" or whatever they call their local preachers living near us. He worked at the university and he and his wife went to a party type function. Someone fixed his wife a strong drink. I don't know if she didn't realize it was alcoholic or just didn't care, but apparently she was feeling no pain. The bishop said something about when they have their next child. His wife said: "you can tell that old boy at the temple in SLC I'm not having any more children; 6 is enough. The bishop said: Be still. You don't know what you are saying." That's all I remember from the tech who was at the party. I always wondered if she did have more children. She was a descendant of one of the original settlers according to the bishop. Gerry PS: The bishop often bugged me about becoming a Mormon and I asked him questions about how Mormonism actually works. He said contraceptives were a no-no so I asked him what a couple does when they have all the children they want. He said we just don't do sex. I thought "wow" and didn't say any more. On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 10:06:06 -0700 "Ed Lomas" <relomas2@...> wrote: ..,,facing excommunication for acting like all-other non-Mormon sex therapists:
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