Re: protest thinking - universities are dying
I’ll just say that 99% of the people I see using the words “socialism”, “communism”, “fascism” seem to have no idea whatsoever of the definition of those words. Those words have become meaningless epithets which people hurl at people they disagree with. They might as well just call the person a doodyhead. ? Rhonda ? ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of jim twist via groups.io Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2021 5:35 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [M-Powered] protest thinking - universities are dying ? Newsflash ,nobody is preaching communism or even socialism as you imagine it."Socialism is just a rightwing battle cry for anything that actually helps people.? There are at least 2 schools of thought. The"? conservative " approach? seems to wish to repeal the 20th century, in favor of pure capitalism , or at least trickle down economics , Milton Friedman , Arthur Laffer? , Ayn Rand theory.? It doesn't work. It 's practice is what gave Karl Marx so much traction.? The synthesis , what conservatives deride as socialism , is essentially what we experienced during the FDR administration. To oversimplify , allowing just enough of socialism into a? heavily leaning capitalist mix? in order to calm the extremes of capitalism and generally raising the quality of life for all and actually making capitalism that much more sustainable and accessible.? Of course academics can be dead wrong , as examples I submit Arthur Laffer and Milton Friedman . Lwyers can be dead wrong I submit Rudy Giuliani. Yet? I was speaking of the aggregate . BTW I find it disturbing that on this forum , I have seen poet Amanda Gorman scorned and gunman Kylr Rittenhouse defended.? Communism and socialism are utopian. ?Easy answers appeal strongly to people who have little experience of the depths and complexities of human existence.
On Jan 24, 2021, at 17:27, jimntempe via groups.io <jimntempe@...> wrote:
?Jim, your "they know things" might be persuasive if there were no examples of educated conservatives.? But you have given me a possible answer to my own question... and that is the reason universities have been taken over by liberals is because they no longer teach anything that's true.? So it's the exact opposite of your thinking,? The universities have been taken over by the ignorant who instead of knowing "real stuff" only know the line of BS the left pedals and they "teach" their ignorance to each new class.? Anyone with eyes can look at the world and see which models of society have both the most freedom and the most wealth.? Hint, it's not the socialist and communist ones.? Yet the universities continue to push for more socialism and communism and try to shut out anyone who would try to speak to the benefits of freedom and capitalism.
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Per Green Party, Libertarians, ?etc It’s not who votes that counts, it’s who counts/reports/accepts the votes At critical junctures vs gerrymandering ‘ /? one person one vote rather than unequal representation;?
We need ranked choice voting with real time quality audits And more open access to candidacy = and equal money For all to truly be advertised equally, full timely disclosures = With real debates, fact checks... and honestly disclosed accountable platforms/promises
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On Jan 25, 2021, at 9:10 AM, FreedomRocks <HomeOfLove69@...> wrote:
? This. There is nothing liberal or socialist about Biden. Modern day Democrats are right of center, and similar to Ronald Reagan Republicans of the 80’s. Modern day Republicans are even farther right of center, approaching fascism.
It surprises me that real alternatives, such as Libertarians or Greens haven’t made much of a dent in US politics. It would appear that most Americans are happy with the choices of right of center (Democrats) and super right of center (Republicans.)
Rhonda
? ? Ed,
You're dreaming. Biden is not a liberal.
Aloha,
Celeste Rogers
Chair and Editor
Mensa Hawai'i On 1/19/2021 3:06 AM, Ed Lomas wrote: Okay, we're just going to do everything liberals have dreamed if in one day without regard to the other party because the Democrats have a two vote mahority in thr House and a one vote majority in the Senate. ?....and we're going to unite the country while completely ignoring the concerns of the other half. ? What's wrong with that plan?
Ed
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<<Finally, why didn't Trump pardon himself, as the news predicted for months that he probably would?>>
I suspect he probably did. Little known fact, pardons do not have to be publicly announced or filed with the DOJ. Pardons can be issued privately (obviously if the person ever needed to use the pardon, then it would be publicly known.) Whether or not it is legal for a president to pardon himself is an open legal question, with no precedent…..but guilty or not, if I were Trump, I would have secretly given myself a pardon just in case, and I would be very surprised if he didn’t. I think it is also likely that he secretly pardoned his family members. ? Rhonda
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Ed Lomas Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2021 6:17 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [M-Powered] history - Edward Grey ? Also, why didn't Trump start a nuclear war, as Nancy Pelosi hinted at, or did the Joint Chiefs of Staff stop that after talking to Pelosi (which means that she saved humanity)? ? Who was he going to attack, if he loved Russia and North Korea as reported on the news? ?? Finally, why didn't Trump pardon himself, as the news predicted for months that he probably would? Ed
On Wednesday, January 20, 2021, jimntempe via <jimntempe=[email protected]> wrote: From Mr. Twist...
Some of the highlights of what benefitted Russia : the trade war
-- If it did, which is hardly a proven fact, it was not the reason for doing it so that's a fail for you.
, harming the American ac business ,
-- even if true it is trivial, if that's the best you can come up with it's pathetic
benefitting the Russian ag business.
--? again, trivial, esp against the sanctions?Trump imposed and how his expansion of US energy productdion tanked the value of Russia's main money source, oil.? Another fail for you.
2 Turning his back on the Kurds making them run for their lives
- Overall the Kurds are doing?just fine thanks.? But even if not, his focus is US interests long term, not the Kurds short term interest.? Again, this is trivial?in the big picture of death and destruction and how many lives were not lost in the bigger picture. Another fail for you.
3 withdrawing support for NATO
- false, he didn't withdraw support for NATO, he made them get up off their asses, they are stronger for it.
? 4 Holding aid back from the Ukraine
- no one cares.
5 backing out of the Iran deal
- a plus.
6 backing out of the Paris accord
- another plus.? Nothing but the transfer of US money to the pockets of oligarchs in other countries.
7 straining our relations with China
- really comrade??
, Germany France and everyone else .............................
- a laughable concern.??
As to his personal dealings? his debts to Deutche Bank? , backed by Russian oligarchs? , Trump tower Moscow ....that enough ??
All trivial and meaningless crap.??
Is that?all you got?? That SOS from the?first days he was in office, the same nonsense.?
BTW, what's the address of Trump Tower Moscow.? When was it built?? When did it open?? It's as imaginary as the rest of your list.
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This. There is nothing liberal or socialist about Biden. Modern day Democrats are right of center, and similar to Ronald Reagan Republicans of the 80’s. Modern day Republicans are even farther right of center, approaching fascism.
It surprises me that real alternatives, such as Libertarians or Greens haven’t made much of a dent in US politics. It would appear that most Americans are happy with the choices of right of center (Democrats) and super right of center (Republicans.)
Rhonda
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of a1thighmaster Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 9:25 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [M-Powered] Biden's plans ? Ed,
You're dreaming. Biden is not a liberal.
Aloha,
Celeste Rogers
Chair and Editor
Mensa Hawai'i On 1/19/2021 3:06 AM, Ed Lomas wrote: Okay, we're just going to do everything liberals have dreamed if in one day without regard to the other party because the Democrats have a two vote mahority in thr House and a one vote majority in the Senate. ?....and we're going to unite the country while completely ignoring the concerns of the other half. ? What's wrong with that plan?
Ed
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Re: protest thinking - universities are dying
Guiliani has? ?recently done his best to tarnish what was a stellar career,? I expect that his role in carrying out Trump's unlawful bidding will become fully proven and exposed as time goes by. As to the draft , not sure of what the particulars of your case was, but I was born in 1957. Thee war ended just prior to highschool graduation in 1975 and there was no draft that year , although there was registration.?
On Sunday, January 24, 2021, 06:14:45 PM CST, Ed Lomas <relomas2@...> wrote:
Jim wrote: "Of course academics can be dead wrong , as examples I submit Arthur Laffer and Milton Friedman . Lwyers can be dead wrong I submit Rudy Giuliani. "
Just because you submit them as wrong, doesn't mean anything. Pure monetarism and pure Keynesianism can fail, and there does come a point where additional taxes have negative returns, just like raising prices doesn't always result in more revenue.? Also, Friedman won the Nobel Prize in Economics. ?(He might also be the reason neither of us got drafted, since that was one policy that he opposed.)
As for Giuliani, I don't know what you're referring to, but he was a great US Attorney who took on the mafia, and a great mayor of NYC who cleaned up the city and the subways, reclaimed Times Square from the sex clubs, and dropped the crime rate.? Basically, he cleaned up the mess of David Dinkins, who was one of the worst mayors since Tammany Hall.? Giuliani?also did a great job in getting the city through 9/11.
Ed
On Sunday, January 24, 2021, jim twist via <jimtwist2004= [email protected]> wrote:
Newsflash ,nobody is preaching communism or even socialism as you imagine it."Socialism is just a rightwing battle cry for anything that actually helps people.? There are at least 2 schools of thought. The"? conservative " approach? seems to wish to repeal the 20th century, in favor of pure capitalism , or at least trickle down economics , Milton Friedman , Arthur Laffer? , Ayn Rand theory.? It doesn't work. It 's practice is what gave Karl Marx so much traction.? The synthesis , what conservatives deride as socialism , is essentially what we experienced during the FDR administration. To oversimplify , allowing just enough of socialism into a? heavily leaning capitalist mix? in order to calm the extremes of capitalism and generally raising the quality of life for all and actually making capitalism that much more sustainable and accessible.? Of course academics can be dead wrong , as examples I submit Arthur Laffer and Milton Friedman . Lwyers can be dead wrong I submit Rudy Giuliani. Yet? I was speaking of the aggregate . BTW I find it disturbing that on this forum , I have seen poet Amanda Gorman scorned and gunman Kylr Rittenhouse defended.?
Communism and socialism are utopian.? Easy answers appeal strongly to people who have little experience of the depths and complexities of human existence.
— ?Jim, your "they know things" might be persuasive if there were no examples of educated conservatives.? But you have given me a possible answer to my own question... and that is the reason universities have been taken over by liberals is because they no longer teach anything that's true.? So it's the exact opposite of your thinking,? The universities have been taken over by the ignorant who instead of knowing "real stuff" only know the line of BS the left pedals and they "teach" their ignorance to each new class.? Anyone with eyes can look at the world and see which models of society have both the most freedom and the most wealth.? Hint, it's not the socialist and communist ones.? Yet the universities continue to push for more socialism and communism and try to shut out anyone who would try to speak to the benefits of freedom and capitalism.
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Re: protest thinking - universities are dying
Jim wrote: "Of course academics can be dead wrong , as examples I submit Arthur Laffer and Milton Friedman . Lwyers can be dead wrong I submit Rudy Giuliani. "
Just because you submit them as wrong, doesn't mean anything. Pure monetarism and pure Keynesianism can fail, and there does come a point where additional taxes have negative returns, just like raising prices doesn't always result in more revenue.? Also, Friedman won the Nobel Prize in Economics. ?(He might also be the reason neither of us got drafted, since that was one policy that he opposed.)
As for Giuliani, I don't know what you're referring to, but he was a great US Attorney who took on the mafia, and a great mayor of NYC who cleaned up the city and the subways, reclaimed Times Square from the sex clubs, and dropped the crime rate.? Basically, he cleaned up the mess of David Dinkins, who was one of the worst mayors since Tammany Hall.? Giuliani?also did a great job in getting the city through 9/11.
Ed
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On Sunday, January 24, 2021, jim twist via <jimtwist2004= [email protected]> wrote:
Newsflash ,nobody is preaching communism or even socialism as you imagine it."Socialism is just a rightwing battle cry for anything that actually helps people.? There are at least 2 schools of thought. The"? conservative " approach? seems to wish to repeal the 20th century, in favor of pure capitalism , or at least trickle down economics , Milton Friedman , Arthur Laffer? , Ayn Rand theory.? It doesn't work. It 's practice is what gave Karl Marx so much traction.? The synthesis , what conservatives deride as socialism , is essentially what we experienced during the FDR administration. To oversimplify , allowing just enough of socialism into a? heavily leaning capitalist mix? in order to calm the extremes of capitalism and generally raising the quality of life for all and actually making capitalism that much more sustainable and accessible.? Of course academics can be dead wrong , as examples I submit Arthur Laffer and Milton Friedman . Lwyers can be dead wrong I submit Rudy Giuliani. Yet? I was speaking of the aggregate . BTW I find it disturbing that on this forum , I have seen poet Amanda Gorman scorned and gunman Kylr Rittenhouse defended.?
Communism and socialism are utopian.? Easy answers appeal strongly to people who have little experience of the depths and complexities of human existence.
— ?Jim, your "they know things" might be persuasive if there were no examples of educated conservatives.? But you have given me a possible answer to my own question... and that is the reason universities have been taken over by liberals is because they no longer teach anything that's true.? So it's the exact opposite of your thinking,? The universities have been taken over by the ignorant who instead of knowing "real stuff" only know the line of BS the left pedals and they "teach" their ignorance to each new class.? Anyone with eyes can look at the world and see which models of society have both the most freedom and the most wealth.? Hint, it's not the socialist and communist ones.? Yet the universities continue to push for more socialism and communism and try to shut out anyone who would try to speak to the benefits of freedom and capitalism.
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Re: protest thinking - universities are dying
Newsflash ,nobody is preaching communism or even socialism as you imagine it."Socialism is just a rightwing battle cry for anything that actually helps people.? There are at least 2 schools of thought. The"? conservative " approach? seems to wish to repeal the 20th century, in favor of pure capitalism , or at least trickle down economics , Milton Friedman , Arthur Laffer? , Ayn Rand theory.? It doesn't work. It 's practice is what gave Karl Marx so much traction.? The synthesis , what conservatives deride as socialism , is essentially what we experienced during the FDR administration. To oversimplify , allowing just enough of socialism into a? heavily leaning capitalist mix? in order to calm the extremes of capitalism and generally raising the quality of life for all and actually making capitalism that much more sustainable and accessible.? Of course academics can be dead wrong , as examples I submit Arthur Laffer and Milton Friedman . Lwyers can be dead wrong I submit Rudy Giuliani. Yet? I was speaking of the aggregate . BTW I find it disturbing that on this forum , I have seen poet Amanda Gorman scorned and gunman Kylr Rittenhouse defended.?
On Sunday, January 24, 2021, 04:31:54 PM CST, David Smith <david.smith.mpowered@...> wrote:
Communism and socialism are utopian. ?Easy answers appeal strongly to people who have little experience of the depths and complexities of human existence.
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On Jan 24, 2021, at 17:27, jimntempe via groups.io <jimntempe@...> wrote:
?Jim, your "they know things" might be persuasive if there were no examples of educated conservatives.? But you have given me a possible answer to my own question... and that is the reason universities have been taken over by liberals is because they no longer teach anything that's true.? So it's the exact opposite of your thinking,? The universities have been taken over by the ignorant who instead of knowing "real stuff" only know the line of BS the left pedals and they "teach" their ignorance to each new class.? Anyone with eyes can look at the world and see which models of society have both the most freedom and the most wealth.? Hint, it's not the socialist and communist ones.? Yet the universities continue to push for more socialism and communism and try to shut out anyone who would try to speak to the benefits of freedom and capitalism.
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Communism and socialism are utopian. ?Easy answers appeal strongly to people who have little experience of the depths and complexities of human existence.
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On Jan 24, 2021, at 17:27, jimntempe via groups.io <jimntempe@...> wrote:
?Jim, your "they know things" might be persuasive if there were no examples of educated conservatives.? But you have given me a possible answer to my own question... and that is the reason universities have been taken over by liberals is because they no longer teach anything that's true.? So it's the exact opposite of your thinking,? The universities have been taken over by the ignorant who instead of knowing "real stuff" only know the line of BS the left pedals and they "teach" their ignorance to each new class.? Anyone with eyes can look at the world and see which models of society have both the most freedom and the most wealth.? Hint, it's not the socialist and communist ones.? Yet the universities continue to push for more socialism and communism and try to shut out anyone who would try to speak to the benefits of freedom and capitalism.
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Jim, your "they know things" might be persuasive if there were no examples of educated conservatives.? But you have given me a possible answer to my own question... and that is the reason universities have been taken over by liberals is because they no longer teach anything that's true.? So it's the exact opposite of your thinking,? The universities have been taken over by the ignorant who instead of knowing "real stuff" only know the line of BS the left pedals and they "teach" their ignorance to each new class.? Anyone with eyes can look at the world and see which models of society have both the most freedom and the most wealth.? Hint, it's not the socialist and communist ones.? Yet the universities continue to push for more socialism and communism and try to shut out anyone who would try to speak to the benefits of freedom and capitalism.
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Marvin I dont need a constitution lesson from you. However here is a history lesson and a math lesson . The first 2 years of the Trump administration featured a GOP house and a GOP senate, and the Trump tax cuts passed early on. In the second 2 years any attempt to repel would never have made it to the senate floor, let alone have passed. Despite your suspicion , the budget deficit multiplied. Marvin , you should rethink the idea that you can successfully take me on, it has not been going well for you, at all.?
On Saturday, January 23, 2021, 11:19:09 PM CST, mrvnchpmn <chapman@...> wrote:
-Please look at the constitution and see where spending bills start.? Trump had no control over spending - other than vetoing bills.
And I suspect the reciepts from income taxes were about the same as previous years.
Shutting the economy down was a disaster but he didn't have the opportunity to do what other countries did - shut down all entries and force all arrivals to stay in a hard two week quarantine.
Marvin
Considering the extent to which the Trump administration bled the treasury dry, and the spending and revenue losses brought on by the absolute mishandling? of the covid crisis, I dont see any ambitious spending programs like universal free college? in the near term at least. It saddens , but does not astound? me that there is right wing sentiment for the disbanding of universities as they have traditionally operated. It sadly means that people on some level know and fear that education often results? in the type of questioning that right wing nonsense simply cannot stand up to. Hint if one wants a vibrant conservative movement , come up with effective policies and effective articulate leaders who can sell them and enact them. Which would mean rethinking? and self examination and relying on science and reason and critical thinking. Apparently we cant have that .?
On Saturday, January 23, 2021, 12:35:53 PM CST, David Smith <david.smith.mpowered@...> wrote:
> On Jan 23, 2021, at 11:58, jim twist via groups.io <jimtwist2004= [email protected]> wrote: > > The biggest problem for higher education is the pricetag. Democrats now control *all* the purse strings.? College will soon be free, like high school. —
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-Please look at the constitution and see where spending bills start.? Trump had no control over spending - other than vetoing bills.
And I suspect the reciepts from income taxes were about the same as previous years.
Shutting the economy down was a disaster but he didn't have the opportunity to do what other countries did - shut down all entries and force all arrivals to stay in a hard two week quarantine.
Marvin
Considering the extent to which the Trump administration bled the treasury dry, and the spending and revenue losses brought on by the absolute mishandling? of the covid crisis, I dont see any ambitious spending programs like universal free college? in the near term at least. It saddens , but does not astound? me that there is right wing sentiment for the disbanding of universities as they have traditionally operated. It sadly means that people on some level know and fear that education often results? in the type of questioning that right wing nonsense simply cannot stand up to. Hint if one wants a vibrant conservative movement , come up with effective policies and effective articulate leaders who can sell them and enact them. Which would mean rethinking? and self examination and relying on science and reason and critical thinking. Apparently we cant have that .?
On Saturday, January 23, 2021, 12:35:53 PM CST, David Smith <david.smith.mpowered@...> wrote:
> On Jan 23, 2021, at 11:58, jim twist via groups.io <jimtwist2004= [email protected]> wrote: > > The biggest problem for higher education is the pricetag. Democrats now control *all* the purse strings.? College will soon be free, like high school. —
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Considering the extent to which the Trump administration bled the treasury dry, and the spending and revenue losses brought on by the absolute mishandling? of the covid crisis, I dont see any ambitious spending programs like universal free college? in the near term at least. It saddens , but does not astound? me that there is right wing sentiment for the disbanding of universities as they have traditionally operated. It sadly means that people on some level know and fear that education often results? in the type of questioning that right wing nonsense simply cannot stand up to. Hint if one wants a vibrant conservative movement , come up with effective policies and effective articulate leaders who can sell them and enact them. Which would mean rethinking? and self examination and relying on science and reason and critical thinking. Apparently we cant have that .?
On Saturday, January 23, 2021, 12:35:53 PM CST, David Smith <david.smith.mpowered@...> wrote:
> On Jan 23, 2021, at 11:58, jim twist via groups.io <jimtwist2004= [email protected]> wrote: > > The biggest problem for higher education is the pricetag. Democrats now control *all* the purse strings.? College will soon be free, like high school. —
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Re: ideas - social change - requiem for the student
I do not agree. I give online classes and my students have discussion groups, just as they did in presencial classes. It's a change of how they discuss, not of what.
I'm not afraid of change. I'm not afraid of tech.?
Mind and ideas control could be done off line in the past. Many countries have suffered (and still did by 2019, for example in Argentina) without online classes.
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El sábado, 23 de enero de 2021 13:59:07 ART, David Smith <david.smith.mpowered@...> escribió:
Originally published by . Translated by . Written by .
Read many other pieces written by Giorgio Agamben, .
As we foresaw they would, university lessons next year will be held?online?[in English]. What was evident to careful observers — namely, that the so-called pandemic would be used as a pretext for the increasingly pervasive diffusion of digital technologies — is being duly realized.
We are not so much interested here in the consequent transformation of teaching, in which the element of physical presence (always so important in the relationship between students and teachers) disappears definitively, as we are in the disappearance of group discussion in seminars, which was the liveliest part of instruction. Part of the technological barbarism that we are currently living through is the cancellation from life of any experience of the senses as well as the loss of the gaze, permanently imprisoned in a spectral screen.
Much more decisive in what is taking place is something that, significantly, is not spoken of at all: namely, the end of being a student [studentato, studenthood] as a form of life.?
Universities were born in Europe from student associations —?universitates?— and they owe their name to them. To be a student entailed first of all a form of life in which studying and listening to lectures were certainly decisive features, but no less important were encounters and constant exchanges with other?scholarii, who often came from remote places and who gathered together according to their place of origin in?nationes.?This form of life evolved in various ways over the centuries, but, from the?clerici vagantes?of the Middle Ages to the student movements of the twentieth century, the social dimension of the phenomenon remained constant. Anyone who has taught in a university classroom knows well how, in front of one’s very eyes, friendships are made, and, according to their cultural and political interests, small study and research groups are formed that continue even after classes have ended.
All this, which has lasted for almost ten centuries, now ends forever. Students will no longer live in the cities where their universities are located. Instead, they will listen to lectures closed up in their rooms and sometimes separated by hundreds of kilometers from those who were formerly their classmates. Small cities that were once prestigious university towns will see their communities of students, who frequently made up the most lively part, disappear from their streets.
About every social phenomenon that dies it can be said that, in a certain sense, it deserved its end; it is certain that our universities reached such a degree of corruption and specialist ignorance that it isn’t possible to mourn them, and the form of life of students, consequently, has been equally impoverished. Two points, however, should remain firm:
1.? Professors who agree — as they are doing?en masse?— to submit to the new dictatorship of telematics and to hold their courses only?online?are the perfect equivalent of the university teachers who in 1931 swore allegiance to the Fascist regime. As happened then, it is likely that only fifteen out of a thousand will refuse, but their names will surely be remembered alongside those of the fifteen who did not take the oath.
2.? Students who truly love to study will have to refuse to enroll in universities transformed in this way, and, as in the beginning, constitute themselves in new?universitates,?only within which, in the face of technological barbarism, the word of the past might remain alive and something like a new culture be born — if it will be born.
—May 23rd, 2020
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On Jan 23, 2021, at 11:58, jim twist via groups.io <jimtwist2004@...> wrote:
The biggest problem for higher education is the pricetag. Democrats now control *all* the purse strings. College will soon be free, like high school. —
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On Jan 23, 2021, at 11:58, jim twist via groups.io <jimtwist2004@...> wrote:
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I think you did not read the essay. ?But you have a point, of course. ?I doubt lectures and videos alone can train physicians, physicists, chemists, architects, and engineers adequately, but this has never before been tried on this scale, so they’ll soon have lots of experimental data to work with.
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On Jan 23, 2021, at 11:14, jimntempe via groups.io <jimntempe@...> wrote:
?RE: The university is dead....
If that is so, how does it continue to teach that all the ills of the world are due to capitalism?? How does it continue to teach conservatives bad, liberals good?? The university isn't dead, it's still teaching hate, anti-freedom, anti-thought, racial division, the list of negatives current universities teach is nearly endless. That it does so without the need for in-person meetings is simply a reflection that the bad people, i.e. current liberals, have taken over all aspects of the universities and that the form the teaching takes doesn't matter.
This might be a good thing because now that the libs have taken over the bricks and morter and hollowed it out they are left with an expensive bit of Real Estate that has been demonstrated to not be needed.? Leaving the conservatives with the option of creating the same sort of "not-in-person" alternate learning venues.? Much cheaper to build a youtube channel than a new endowed building.? What conservatives, indeed anyone still interested in preserving what's good in the world, need to do is put in place the "infrastructure" to make it possible for people to obtain accredited degrees thru almost any reasonable on-line curriculum.?
In modern times that only real purpose for people to go to classic universities was
1) Party
2) get the diploma because that's how you get in the door to the "good" jobs
If you can get 2) thru whatever online school you choose that should be the wave of the future and what conservatives should be working towards.? Of course the brick and mortor? people will fight it every step of the way the same way the lower school systems fight private schools and school choice.? It's a battle that needs to be engaged and won.
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ideas - social change - requiem for the student
Originally published by . Translated by . Written by .
Read many other pieces written by Giorgio Agamben, .
As we foresaw they would, university lessons next year will be held?online?[in English]. What was evident to careful observers — namely, that the so-called pandemic would be used as a pretext for the increasingly pervasive diffusion of digital technologies — is being duly realized.
We are not so much interested here in the consequent transformation of teaching, in which the element of physical presence (always so important in the relationship between students and teachers) disappears definitively, as we are in the disappearance of group discussion in seminars, which was the liveliest part of instruction. Part of the technological barbarism that we are currently living through is the cancellation from life of any experience of the senses as well as the loss of the gaze, permanently imprisoned in a spectral screen.
Much more decisive in what is taking place is something that, significantly, is not spoken of at all: namely, the end of being a student [studentato, studenthood] as a form of life.?
Universities were born in Europe from student associations —?universitates?— and they owe their name to them. To be a student entailed first of all a form of life in which studying and listening to lectures were certainly decisive features, but no less important were encounters and constant exchanges with other?scholarii, who often came from remote places and who gathered together according to their place of origin in?nationes.?This form of life evolved in various ways over the centuries, but, from the?clerici vagantes?of the Middle Ages to the student movements of the twentieth century, the social dimension of the phenomenon remained constant. Anyone who has taught in a university classroom knows well how, in front of one’s very eyes, friendships are made, and, according to their cultural and political interests, small study and research groups are formed that continue even after classes have ended.
All this, which has lasted for almost ten centuries, now ends forever. Students will no longer live in the cities where their universities are located. Instead, they will listen to lectures closed up in their rooms and sometimes separated by hundreds of kilometers from those who were formerly their classmates. Small cities that were once prestigious university towns will see their communities of students, who frequently made up the most lively part, disappear from their streets.
About every social phenomenon that dies it can be said that, in a certain sense, it deserved its end; it is certain that our universities reached such a degree of corruption and specialist ignorance that it isn’t possible to mourn them, and the form of life of students, consequently, has been equally impoverished. Two points, however, should remain firm:
1.? Professors who agree — as they are doing?en masse?— to submit to the new dictatorship of telematics and to hold their courses only?online?are the perfect equivalent of the university teachers who in 1931 swore allegiance to the Fascist regime. As happened then, it is likely that only fifteen out of a thousand will refuse, but their names will surely be remembered alongside those of the fifteen who did not take the oath.
2.? Students who truly love to study will have to refuse to enroll in universities transformed in this way, and, as in the beginning, constitute themselves in new?universitates,?only within which, in the face of technological barbarism, the word of the past might remain alive and something like a new culture be born — if it will be born.
—May 23rd, 2020
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