<<Many of voting rules were changed, allegedly for covid, in many states.? In California, the ballots are mailed to homes, and there's no way to tell who actually voted or whether they even lived at the address of record.>>
Of course there is. Ballots had to be signed, and signatures were checked. <<No one really took a comprehensive look at who was voting because many of the election steps to ensure identity were eliminated. ?>>
Actually, Block who wrote the book did. As did other people that Trump hired. Trump paid Block $800,000 for his investigation, and I’d assume similar amounts to the other experts that Trump hired. The reports these experts wrote were never released, because they thoroughly disproved all the theft allegations and explained in detail all the proper procedures that were in place to make voting fraud almost impossible.
<<My sister in law's dog received an application to vote through the mail in Pennsylvania in the last presidential election, so I doubt that adequate steps were taken in some places to prevent unauthorized votes.>>
Sending out applications to vote by mail, does not mean that everyone who applies will be given a ballot.
In Pennsylvania, to register to vote by mail, the applicant must provide their social security number (which I assume your SIL’s dog doesn’t have), or their current PA driver’s license #, or a photocopy of unexpired passport, military ID, etc. ?After registration, then they can be sent a mail-in ballot. When they send back their mail in ballot, they must sign (signature is checked against their application.)
EVERY state that has mail-in voting has similar methods to verify that only legitimate voters are voting.
The idea that people are mailing in random ballots is patently untrue. People who try, are caught, and charged with election fraud.
<<This one guy who wrote a book that he is peddling is hardly proof of the integrity of untried systems throughout the country hurriedly designed and implemented in many very closely-contested areas controlled by Democrats.>>
As I stated above, it’s not just one guy. Trump paid millions of dollars to experts to find fraud or instances where fraud could occur. These experts not only found no fraud, they found it was virtually impossible to for any fraud to occur.
And not just these experts who looked at the systemic issues. Trump also hired many other groups, like the Cyber Ninjas to audit individual states. Plus the over 50 court cases that looked at Trump’s claims and found zero evidence.
<<America has a history of voter fraud.? LBJ in Texas and JFK in Chicago both benefitted form election fraud.>>
And since the 60’s, there have been many security procedures put in place, making such election fraud virtually impossible. Indeed, we now know that Trump is the one who tried to steal the election, but his attempts failed, because of the security procedures in place.
A comment from the news article is pretty telling “In the last couple of years, we've had a number of people sign up for poll work specifically to combat the "rampant fraud" they were sure that was going on. Most were surprised at the all the security measures and quickly found out that there was no easy way for even a couple of poll works to commit election fraud on a scale that would actually tip the balance of an election without getting caught and relatively quickly.”
I also have encouraged people who think there was voting fraud to volunteer to be a poll worker, and they will see that we can all be assured that elections are extremely secure in the US.
Rhonda
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Many of voting rules were changed, allegedly for covid, in many states.? In California, the ballots are mailed to homes, and there's no way to tell who actually voted or whether they even lived at the address of record.
No one really took a comprehensive look at who was voting because many of the election steps to ensure identity were eliminated. ?
My sister in law's dog received an application to vote through the mail in Pennsylvania in the last presidential election, so I doubt that adequate steps were taken in some places to prevent unauthorized votes.
This one guy who wrote a book that he is peddling is hardly proof of the integrity of untried systems throughout the country hurriedly designed and implemented in many very closely-contested areas controlled by Democrats.
America has a history of voter fraud.? LBJ in Texas and JFK in Chicago both benefitted form election fraud.
Ed
On Wednesday, March 20, 2024, FreedomRocks < HomeOfLove69@...> wrote: <<I looked?up some links o 2020 voter fraud assessments. While many of the links I found were media, the accumulated weight of the reports indicates there is no evidence?of any but an insignificant number of individually propagated cases. While a true massive conspiracy would likely also involve a comprehensive and presumably effective cover-up, I am wary of buying into such unsubstantiated suspicions. At this point, I do not believe there was a theft of the election?via fraud and I am the King of distrusting?politics and politicians!>>
Thank you for the links! Along with that, I just learned about a book that was just released by Ken Block. Block was hired by Trump in 2020 to find evidence of election fraud. Block thoroughly investigated every claim of fraud that the Trump campaign had knowledge of, and also independently looked at the data in several swing states. He found no evidence of fraud, other than isolated instances, and thoroughly disproved all the claims that the Trump Campaign had gathered.
News article about his findings (may be paywalled ? )
“Block describes the moment in a new book, “Disproven,” which will be released Tuesday.?In the book, Block reveals how, again and again in the months after the November 2020 election, he was tasked by Trump’s campaign with batting down??that??had won the election through fraud.
Block’s book provides an insider’s account of the desperate measures Trump’s campaign took to pursue allegations of voter fraud and of how quickly the campaign concluded internally that each one was invalid, even as the??by claiming the election was stolen…….
“At first, the requests were worded ‘Please try to verify this claim,’” he writes. “By the end, the requests were phrased ‘Tell me why this claim is wrong.’””
His book:
Rhonda
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<<I looked?up some links o 2020 voter fraud assessments. While many of the links I found were media, the accumulated weight of the reports indicates there is no evidence?of any but an insignificant number of individually propagated cases. While a true massive conspiracy would likely also involve a comprehensive and presumably effective cover-up, I am wary of buying into such unsubstantiated suspicions. At this point, I do not believe there was a theft of the election?via fraud and I am the King of distrusting?politics and politicians!>>
Thank you for the links! Along with that, I just learned about a book that was just released by Ken Block. Block was hired by Trump in 2020 to find evidence of election fraud. Block thoroughly investigated every claim of fraud that the Trump campaign had knowledge of, and also independently looked at the data in several swing states. He found no evidence of fraud, other than isolated instances, and thoroughly disproved all the claims that the Trump Campaign had gathered.
News article about his findings (may be paywalled ? )
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/03/10/trump-ken-block-campaign-fraud-book/
“Block describes the moment in a new book, “Disproven,” which will be released Tuesday.?In the book, Block reveals how, again and again in the months after the November 2020 election, he was tasked by Trump’s campaign with batting down??that??had won the election through fraud.
Block’s book provides an insider’s account of the desperate measures Trump’s campaign took to pursue allegations of voter fraud and of how quickly the campaign concluded internally that each one was invalid, even as the??by claiming the election was stolen…….
“At first, the requests were worded ‘Please try to verify this claim,’” he writes. “By the end, the requests were phrased ‘Tell me why this claim is wrong.’””
His book:
https://www.amazon.com/Disproven-Unbiased-Campaign-Improve-Elections/dp/1637632851/
Rhonda
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I looked?up some links o 2020 voter fraud assessments. While many of the links I found were media, the accumulated weight of the reports indicates there is no evidence?of any but an insignificant number of individually propagated cases. While a true massive conspiracy would likely also involve a comprehensive and presumably effective cover-up, I am wary of buying into such unsubstantiated suspicions. At this point, I do not believe there was a theft of the election?via fraud and I am the King of distrusting?politics and politicians!
We are less than one year away from Election Day and although there has been no new evidence or litigation regarding election fraud in the 2020 election, many people continue to believe that the 2020 election was flawed. In the summer,??showed that 22% of Republicans and 71% of Democrats have high confidence in votes being counted accurately in 2024. A more recent??found that among New Hampshire Republicans, over 50% believe Biden’s win was fraudulent, including 85% of Trump supporters. --?
...and so on. While I do not consider media reports or even formal, government-sponsored papers to be absolute proof of anything, I do think that a constant he-said, she-said back-and-forth over the?possibility is unproductive and this is why I rarely engage. We can only debate so far based on logic and opinion before we need factual evidence to go further.
D <<I think if we go back five years the COVID vaccine wins.>>
Indeed, the amount of people (even on this forum,) still telling easily disproven lies about the harmfulness of the COVID vaccine is scary. As thousands of unvaccinated people continue to die each week, its clear reality will not change their minds.
<<The election was definitely fudged - whether or not enough to change the result is in question.? But there are too many cases of dead people voting to be ignored.?>>
Only a few cases of dead people voting were found….and in every case in 2020 and 2022 they were Republicans who cast a ballot for a dead person. Several other Republicans were also found guilty (or pled guilty) to other types of election fraud in 2020 and 2022, but none of them were enough to change any outcomes. ? US elections are incredibly secure. People committing election fraud are caught and harshly punished (even if the fraud was accidental, such as released felons voting but not realizing some states permanently take away their voting rights.) Anyone who doesn’t think so, needs to study up on all the mechanisms in place to prevent fraud. I’d suggest volunteering as an election judge, so you can see first hand how election security works.
<<A complette reregistration at least once every four years along with voter ID requirements would go a long way toward protecting the real electorate from fraud.>>
How do you think that would prevent election fraud? Election fraud is extremely rare in the US. There is zero reason to think that voter ID would give better security than signature comparison. Also, voting is a constitutional right, unlike the 2nd amendment which says gun ownership should be “well regulated”, there is nothing in the constitutional saying that registration should be required, must less registration every 4 years. No clearly we don’t live in the days when everyone in town knew everyone and who could vote, so registration is a good way to make the election process fast and secure. But not every 4 years.
Rhonda
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<<Proof is very difficult as to whether or not Trump lost but there is no doubt that there were a lot of things going on that could have been used to invalidate the election.>>
Actually, there is no doubt that NOTHING that could invalidate the election happened.
<<Too many times more votes were cast than registered voters in precincts>>
Name one place where that happened. Trump lied about it happening in different places, but that actual ballots compared to registered voters prove it never happened.
<<and too many cases of people coming to vote and finding out they were listed as already having voted.?>>
I have only heard of 1 case of that happening, and that was pre-2020. Can you give me some of the names of people this happened to, because I have not heard of any cases of it happening in 2020 or 2022. Which I will agree doesn’t meet it didn’t happen to someone, somewhere, but this is extremely rare. And when it happens, its almost always a “helpful” family member who goes it to vote under someone else’s name. All states require either signature comparisons or ID or both—so not only does the person committing election fraud have to know the person’s name and the precinct they vote in, they must also be reasonably sure the person whose identity they are stealing won’t show up to vote later. Because if they do, then they risk the security camera footage being pulled to identify them, as well as their fake signature. And all of this to get 1 extra vote? This is a very labor intensive way to try steal and election, and practically speaking, its just not possible for that many criminals to all take on the identity of someone else, in any number great enough to actually swing an election (and that’s assuming that all of them were able to escape detection which is just not going to happen.)
<<And the handling of ballots was horibble.>>
No it wasn’t. There have been zero cases of “horrible” handling of election ballots. I really do think you should volunteer as an election judge and see all the security procedures in place. Trump told outrageously lies about horrible handling of election ballots, but every lie he told has been completely disproven. ? Rhonda
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<<I think if we go back five years the COVID vaccine wins.>>
Indeed, the amount of people (even on this forum,) still telling easily disproven lies about the harmfulness of the COVID vaccine is scary. As thousands of unvaccinated people continue to die each week, its clear reality will not change their minds.
<<The election was definitely fudged - whether or not enough to change the result is in question.? But there are too many cases of dead people voting to be ignored.?>>
Only a few cases of dead people voting were found….and in every case in 2020 and 2022 they were Republicans who cast a ballot for a dead person. Several other Republicans were also found guilty (or pled guilty) to other types of election fraud in 2020 and 2022, but none of them were enough to change any outcomes. ? US elections are incredibly secure. People committing election fraud are caught and harshly punished (even if the fraud was accidental, such as released felons voting but not realizing some states permanently take away their voting rights.) Anyone who doesn’t think so, needs to study up on all the mechanisms in place to prevent fraud. I’d suggest volunteering as an election judge, so you can see first hand how election security works.
<<A complette reregistration at least once every four years along with voter ID requirements would go a long way toward protecting the real electorate from fraud.>>
How do you think that would prevent election fraud? Election fraud is extremely rare in the US. There is zero reason to think that voter ID would give better security than signature comparison. Also, voting is a constitutional right, unlike the 2nd amendment which says gun ownership should be “well regulated”, there is nothing in the constitutional saying that registration should be required, must less registration every 4 years. No clearly we don’t live in the days when everyone in town knew everyone and who could vote, so registration is a good way to make the election process fast and secure. But not every 4 years.
Rhonda
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<<And Darrell laughed: For just a moment, Rhonda, I thought you meant the "large minority" were saying that all public figures?were "bots."? I am a little scared by my mental process?at that point, as there was a nonverbal sense of that being crazy because AI bots are so new. Like, less that it could not happen and more that it just could not have happened very far in the past. The scary part was my sudden image of an AI President?winning the election this year. Now I am going to have to wonder if any future moon landings are new...>>
Haha! Although thinking of the future in 5 years with the incredible deep fakes we already have….the world is just going to get crazier.
Rhonda
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Proof is very difficult as to whether or not Trump lost but there is no doubt that there were a lot of things going on that could have been used to invalidate the election.
Too many times more votes were cast than registered voters in precincts and too many cases of people coming to vote and finding out they were listed as already having voted.? And the handling of ballots was horibble.
Marvin
And Marvin has just proven my point. Too many believe the lies and conspiracy theories about the COVID-19 vaccines. And too many people believe that Trump won the 2020 election (even though Trump himself doesn't believe that).
Aloha,
Celeste
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On 3/16/2024 9:44 AM, mrvnchpmn wrote:
I think if we go back five years the COVID vaccine wins.
The election was definitely fudged - whether or not enough to change the result is in question.? But there are too many cases of dead people voting to be ignored.? A complette reregistration at least once every four years along with voter ID requirements would go a long way toward protecting the real electorate from fraud.
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And Marvin has just
proven my point. Too many believe the lies and conspiracy theories
about the COVID-19 vaccines. And too many people believe that
Trump won the 2020 election (even though Trump himself doesn't
believe that).
Aloha,
Celeste
On 3/16/2024 9:44 AM, mrvnchpmn wrote:
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think if we go back five years the COVID vaccine wins.
The election was definitely fudged - whether or not enough to
change the result is in question.? But there are too many
cases of dead people voting to be ignored.? A complette
reregistration at least once every four years along with voter
ID requirements would go a long way toward protecting the real
electorate from fraud.
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I think if we go back five years the COVID vaccine wins.
The election was definitely fudged - whether or not enough to change the result is in question.? But there are too many cases of dead people voting to be ignored.? A complette reregistration at least once every four years along with voter ID requirements would go a long way toward protecting the real electorate from fraud.
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1.? Do traffic tickets reduce accident rates?
According to ResearchGate, 1 percent increase in tickets issued leads to a 0.28 percent decline in motor vehicle accidents.
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2.? Is threatening to confiscate dollar reserves held in escrow for violations of international law by the US government a good idea?
I would have to know what the record is in order to be able to answer this.
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3.? If the BRIC countries create their own reserve currency - will the US dollar lose value?
Probably not.
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4.? Have you ever worked as an independent contractor?
Yes.
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5. What was the most egregious example of disinformation you have seen this year?
There has been too much to pick out a single instance, but either the COVID-19 vaccines or the repeated lie about Trump winning the 2020 election are probably at the top.
Aloha,
Celeste Rogers
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Lotta tongue in cheek around my comment, Celeste!
Sometimes the questions here are prefaced with the phrase "Are you concerned about..." and I have many times commented that the given topic does not leave me concerned in the anxious way I interpret that word. On the topic of disinformation and misinformation and just information in general, however, I do feel a growing concern. This sparked my facetious comment to you. Put simply, taking nothing for granted or as obvious, how would I know? I believe that the art of informational spin?has reached new levels in the past few years and that availability to the facts has become more and more suspect. We can argue common sense and conspiracy bias all day long here, but the truth I am seeing emerge is that sociopolitical?'facts' are more vaporpus than even my suspicious mind have ever credited them with.?
Now AI is kicking in and the ride is just getting started!
D
Darrell,
LOL! Of course Trump lost in 2020. You don't think he didn't, do
you?
Aloha,
Celeste
On 3/16/2024 5:08 AM, Darrell King
wrote:
Celeste! Are you saying?Trump?did not win!??
On Sat, Mar 16, 2024 at 1:17?AM Celeste
wrote:
5. What was
the most egregious example of disinformation
you have seen this year?
There has been too much to pick out a single instance, but
either the COVID-19 vaccines or the repeated lie about
Trump winning the 2020 election are probably at the top.
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Darrell,
LOL! Of course Trump lost in 2020. You don't think he didn't, do
you?
Aloha,
Celeste
On 3/16/2024 5:08 AM, Darrell King
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Celeste! Are you saying?Trump?did not win!??
On Sat, Mar 16, 2024 at 1:17?AM Celeste
wrote:
5. What was
the most egregious example of disinformation
you have seen this year?
There has been too much to pick out a single instance, but
either the COVID-19 vaccines or the repeated lie about
Trump winning the 2020 election are probably at the top.
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Rhonda said: "...??there are apparently a large minority of people who believe that *all* US presidents and their spouses are/were secretly trans (as well as almost everyone else in the public sphere.) There are forums dedicated to analyzing facial features to “prove” this, and a huge number of participants. While I’d like to think they are all bots or trolls…"
And Darrell laughed: For just a moment, Rhonda, I thought you meant the "large minority" were saying that all public figures?were "bots."? I am a little scared by my mental process?at that point, as there was a nonverbal sense of that being crazy because AI bots are so new. Like, less that it could not happen and more that it just could not have happened very far in the past. The scary part was my sudden image of an AI President?winning the election this year.
Now I am going to have to wonder if any future moon landings are new...
1.? Do traffic tickets reduce accident rates?
Yes, but likely not as much as in countries where the penalty fee is based on one’s salary and not just a flat fee.
2.? Is threatening to confiscate dollar reserves held in escrow for violations of international law by the US government a good idea?
Generally I think “threatening” is not a good idea. With most things in life, either do it or don’t. IE, if someone is trying to harm you, either shoot them or call the police, don’t “threaten.” If you are in a bad relationship, just break up with them, don’t “threaten” them. If someone has bad intentions, threatening them only tips them off to what you might do as a recourse, it’s not going to suddenly make them repent and do the right thing. So while I’m not sure about this exact situation, I’ll go with my general principal, either the US government should confiscate the money, or not. I see no point to “threatening.”
3.? If the BRIC countries create their own reserve currency - will the US dollar lose value?
I don’t think so, but I don’t know much about this. I don’t think the US dollar lost value to the euro when it was created, so I don’t think we will lose value to BRIC countries making a currency either. At least not enough to matter in the grand scheme of things.
4.? Have you ever worked as an independent contractor?
Haha, does selling Avon count? I think legally it does. I did sell Avon for a few years, mainly because I was buying a tremendous amount of the product and it only made sense to become a distributor so I could get the discount.
5. What was the most egregious example of disinformation you have seen this year?
It is hard to pick just 1 example. I think the idea that the 2020 election was stolen is going around, when it most certainly wasn’t, is certainly in the running. The 2020 election was double, triple, quadrupled checked with so many court cases, so many recounts, there is no doubt that Biden won. Previously to 2020, I was one who had my doubt about election integrity. But with Trump’s 202 0 blatant lies, I actually learned about the process of how votes are counted, the many steps to prevent fraud, and seeing the numerous double/triple checks in many states, I now have ZERO doubt about election integrity. It’s just not possible in our modern age without getting caught.
But while that is likely the example with the most real world consequences, the absolute craziness of disinformation being passed around on social media is incredible. For instance, there are apparently a large minority of people who believe that *all* US presidents and their spouses are/were secretly trans (as well as almost everyone else in the public sphere.) There are forums dedicated to analyzing facial features to “prove” this, and a huge number or participants. While I’d like to think they are all bots or trolls….given how many people I know in real life (and even on this Mensa forum) who believe patently disproven beliefs, I sadly think that a good number of the people on those forums really believe a majority of people are trans.
Rhonda
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Celeste! Are you saying?Trump?did not win!??
1.? Do
traffic tickets reduce accident rates?
According to
ResearchGate, 1 percent increase in tickets issued leads to a
0.28 percent decline in motor vehicle accidents.
2.? Is
threatening to confiscate dollar reserves held in
escrow for violations of international law by the US
government a good idea?
I would have to know what the record is in order to be able to
answer this.
3.? If
the BRIC countries create their own reserve currency -
will the US dollar lose value?
Probably not.
4.? Have
you ever worked as an independent contractor?
Yes.
5. What
was the most egregious example of disinformation you
have seen this year?
There has been too much to pick out a single instance, but either
the COVID-19 vaccines or the repeated lie about Trump winning the
2020 election are probably at the top.
Aloha,
Celeste Rogers
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You should run for a legislative?position, David!
Punishment always works.? Sending them to jail would work even better.? Beheading them would be best. 1.? Do traffic tickets reduce accident rates?
Without Googling for a moment, I suspect more careful and attentive driving would reduce accident rates. This is my attempt at logic based on the precept that most drivers want to avoid accidents. I also suspect most drivers want to avoid tickets due to cost and license impacts, so these drivers would keep an eye on things like speed limits and stop signs. Attention and mindfulness would seem to trump distraction when trying to avoid accidents.
Now I Google and fine in a superficial skim?several studies that indicate minor or no correlation between traffic tickets (stops) and reductions in accidents (or mortality.) One study indicated a "significant" correlation. There were confounding factors, such as the bias toward enforcing traffic aws at times and places of higher traffic activity, which would presumably itself correlate with higher accident rates. It is not as simple a question as I had first thought, but I will stand my my logic in the first para of my response.
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1.? Do traffic tickets reduce accident rates?
Yes, but likely not as much as in countries where the penalty fee is based on one’s salary and not just a flat fee.
2.? Is threatening to confiscate dollar reserves held in escrow for violations of international law by the US government a good idea?
Generally I think “threatening” is not a good idea. With most things in life, either do it or don’t. IE, if someone is trying to harm you, either shoot them or call the police, don’t “threaten.” If you are in a bad relationship, just break up with them, don’t “threaten” them. If someone has bad intentions, threatening them only tips them off to what you might do as a recourse, it’s not going to suddenly make them repent and do the right thing. So while I’m not sure about this exact situation, I’ll go with my general principal, either the US government should confiscate the money, or not. I see no point to “threatening.”
3.? If the BRIC countries create their own reserve currency - will the US dollar lose value?
I don’t think so, but I don’t know much about this. I don’t think the US dollar lost value to the euro when it was created, so I don’t think we will lose value to BRIC countries making a currency either. At least not enough to matter in the grand scheme of things.
4.? Have you ever worked as an independent contractor?
Haha, does selling Avon count? I think legally it does. I did sell Avon for a few years, mainly because I was buying a tremendous amount of the product and it only made sense to become a distributor so I could get the discount.
5. What was the most egregious example of disinformation you have seen this year?
It is hard to pick just 1 example. I think the idea that the 2020 election was stolen is going around, when it most certainly wasn’t, is certainly in the running. The 2020 election was double, triple, quadrupled checked with so many court cases, so many recounts, there is no doubt that Biden won. Previously to 2020, I was one who had my doubt about election integrity. But with Trump’s 202 0 blatant lies, I actually learned about the process of how votes are counted, the many steps to prevent fraud, and seeing the numerous double/triple checks in many states, I now have ZERO doubt about election integrity. It’s just not possible in our modern age without getting caught.
But while that is likely the example with the most real world consequences, the absolute craziness of disinformation being passed around on social media is incredible. For instance, there are apparently a large minority of people who believe that *all* US presidents and their spouses are/were secretly trans (as well as almost everyone else in the public sphere.) There are forums dedicated to analyzing facial features to “prove” this, and a huge number or participants. While I’d like to think they are all bots or trolls….given how many people I know in real life (and even on this Mensa forum) who believe patently disproven beliefs, I sadly think that a good number of the people on those forums really believe a majority of people are trans.
Rhonda
It is
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1.? Do
traffic tickets reduce accident rates?
According to
ResearchGate, 1 percent increase in tickets issued leads to a
0.28 percent decline in motor vehicle accidents.
2.? Is
threatening to confiscate dollar reserves held in
escrow for violations of international law by the US
government a good idea?
I would have to know what the record is in order to be able to
answer this.
3.? If
the BRIC countries create their own reserve currency -
will the US dollar lose value?
Probably not.
4.? Have
you ever worked as an independent contractor?
Yes.
5. What
was the most egregious example of disinformation you
have seen this year?
There has been too much to pick out a single instance, but either
the COVID-19 vaccines or the repeated lie about Trump winning the
2020 election are probably at the top.
Aloha,
Celeste Rogers
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On Mar 15, 2024, at 12:02, Darrell King <DarrellGKing@...> wrote:
2.? Is threatening to confiscate dollar reserves held in escrow for violations of international law by the US government a good idea?
From the perspective of increasing U.S. wealth (assuming the U.S. was the entity?threatening confiscation and not the violator contributing to the reserves)?
I suspect consequences might include a less willing participation by anyone doing so voluntarily. I am far from an expert.
Try getting closer to him.
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Punishment always works. ?Sending them to jail would work even better. ?Beheading them would be best. On Mar 15, 2024, at 12:02, Darrell King <DarrellGKing@...> wrote:
1.? Do traffic tickets reduce accident rates?
Without Googling for a moment, I suspect more careful and attentive driving would reduce accident rates. This is my attempt at logic based on the precept that most drivers want to avoid accidents. I also suspect most drivers want to avoid tickets due to cost and license impacts, so these drivers would keep an eye on things like speed limits and stop signs. Attention and mindfulness would seem to trump distraction when trying to avoid accidents.
Now I Google and fine in a superficial skim?several studies that indicate minor or no correlation between traffic tickets (stops) and reductions in accidents (or mortality.) One study indicated a "significant" correlation. There were confounding factors, such as the bias toward enforcing traffic aws at times and places of higher traffic activity, which would presumably itself correlate with higher accident rates. It is not as simple a question as I had first thought, but I will stand my my logic in the first para of my response.
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I think I have to agree with your answer to the fifth question - though the report of the execution on the New York subway comes close - a black rider accused a latino rider of being an illegal alien who had attacked a policeman and started beating on him and pulled a gun, the latino's girl friend stabbed the black guy to defend her boy friend - then the latino took the gun away and shot the black guy in the head - he was just declared dead. The comment I saw was that if the black guy had been white, or the latino had been white racism would have been screamed all over the place but since it was minority on minority- not news.
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1.? Do traffic tickets reduce accident rates?
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Some do, some don't.? Speeding and red light tickets are probably more effective than driving too slow or improper lane change.
2.? Is threatening to confiscate dollar reserves held in escrow for violations of international law by the US government a good idea?
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I don't know the context to that one, so I can't venture an opinion.
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3.? If the BRIC countries create their own reserve currency - will the US dollar lose value?\
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I doubt it.? None of those currencies have an active market.
4.? Have you ever worked as an independent contractor?
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Sort of; I write articles for a magazine, and have a contract as an expert witness for a large corporation, but I hesitate to call them "work" because they either don't pay enough or occur often enough to make a substantial difference in my life.
5. What was the most egregious example of disinformation you have seen this year?
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Biden blaming the immigration crisis on the Republicans because they won't agree to the terms that were negotiated with the Democrats.? Biden caused the immigration crisis by canceling Trump's 'remain in Mexico' policy, wall construction, and allowing millions of undocumented immigrants into the country without proper vetting.? Biden could put the brakes on it all by reverting to the Trump doctrine and write executive orders to reverse the executive orders that he put in place immediately after taking office, but instead he blames the crisis that has since emerged on the Republicans.
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