Re: Friday Five October 25
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I believe you mean to say you are in favor of helping the descendants?of people who were mistreated in the U.S. before your parents arrived, Celeste. Therein lies my quibble: we have been conditioned to ignore this distinction as though I was port?of that mistreatment. I was not and I hope that even if I had been alive and adult back in that day, I would?not have contributed to mistreatment.
I often help people on an individual basis. I share frequently when able. This?is not out of any sense of guilt or responsibility?related to the behaviors of my social?or biological ancestors, however, but rather?originates on my personal?values on the subject. I admit to feeling a little put out when somebody insists I owe?some person or group because some predecessor?acted a certain way. Even if I disapprove of some historical behavior, such as the treatment uf North American indigenous people by European immigrants, I am still not personally liable for those immigrants' behaviors.
Doesn't mean I am against helping them or anyone. Just means that?rationally I may deal with the fallout (karma?) from history but I do not feel guilty about someone else's actions!
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On Sat, Oct 26, 2024 at 11:56?AM a1thighmaster via <thighmaster= [email protected]> wrote:
Darrell,
Your response sounds incredibly bigoted. My ancestors weren't even
in the U.S. until the 20th century and I'm still in favor of
helping peoples who were mistreated in the U.S. before they
arrived. And, of course, that includes the indigenous peoples.
You, however, I am disappointed in.
Aloha,
Celeste
On 10/26/2024 7:27 AM, Darrell King
wrote:
And
Darrell wondered: I am curious how many
eligible?black entrepreneurs were around during
the "slavery and discrimination eras" to
lose time thusly??
Sorry, Celeste! It
is a pet peeve of mine that the sins of the
fathers?are carried to the sons! While I do believe
in continuous improvement?on a social level, I
consider myself as bearing absolutely no personal
responsibility for any alleged sins my forefathers
may have been involved?in! I certainly do not
oppose?entrepreneurism in any group and so I am wary
of this constant effort to make amends?for those
sins to a generation that had no exposure to said
sins.
I suppose
social assistance for deserving entrepreneurs no
matter ethnicity or other social factors. Base
such support?on the validity and value of the
business plan, sure. I suppose I lean rightward on
the idea that I should make up for the idea that a
given population deserves to be lifted out of
their woes simply because of historical
mistreatment?of a population with similarities. I
try to treat people decently as part of my
personal morality, but I am not responsible for
how others have treated people.
Having vented
all that, I would support forgivable loans for ideas
assessed solely?on their business plans and ongoing
monitoring of their use without consideration of
ethnicity or similar?'disadvantaged' factoring..?
Celeste Answered to?Is Harris's
offer of forgivable $20,000 loans to black men the
equivalent of shiny beads to Indians??with
"No, not in any
way. It's for black entrepreneurs. It gives them a
chance to make up for lost time during the slavery
and discrimination eras."
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