On Jun 9, 2024, at 23:02, a1thighmaster via groups.io <thighmaster@...> wrote:

? Darrell,

I agree that morality is somewhat subjective. Not entirely, though, because we are not the only ones in our world. Morality does involve the others around us and in our community.

Aloha,
Celeste

On 6/9/2024 3:32 PM, Darrell King wrote:

I might argue that morality?is subjective, Celeste. Personally, for instance, I feel sex lives are the problems of those living those lives and I do not care if they bribe people to cover their dirty laundry. I realize there is also a question of misuse of power, but when I hear someone tried to cover up their sex life with that misuse, it has all the impact on me of a jaywalking charge. I have lived through too many real life sexcapades, I guess.

On Sat, Jun 8, 2024 at 10:04?PM Celeste wrote:

David,

There's nothing morally neutral about covering up adultery to influence the outcome of a U.S. election. It is purely morally bad. I also disagree that law and justice have nothing in common. They have a lot in common.

On 6/8/2024 1:48 PM, David Smith via wrote:

Whether a thought or an action is judged morally neutral or good or bad is up to one's understanding of morality, which, especially in these angry times, is practically up for grabs.  Today, people are likely to believe whatever their information sources tell them is true.  As for law, I think we'd agree that law and justice have nothing inherently in common.


Celeste wrote:

? In the case of Trump's hush money scheme he was both morally and legally guilty.


On 6/7/2024 6:50 PM, David Smith via  wrote:

Laws are likely to be sticks for tripping up people and beating them.  The distinction between laws for protecting people from murderers and laws written to dispose of enemies is not always clear.  Both exist, which is one reason why the legal system is a nasty thing to be caught up in.  Moral innocence and legal guilt are likely to be the same thing.