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Every time you edit a post it gets set out to all email recipients - in some
cases I have received 6 or 7 copies of the same post with minor spelling
corrections and sometimes added info. So please resist the temptation.
If you need to add information just reply to your original with the extra
stuff and leave the bare minimum of the original to allow context
recognition.
Thanks
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This is why the groups.io site is dumb.? In addition to giving out our emails.
This whole thing should be on a forum, or even usenet like the olden days.
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There are a few options:
- You can subscribe to the email digest -- this will include only the final copy of the edited message
- Don't subscribe to email updates at all, use the website instead
- I can disable message editing for the group
Regards, ? ? ?-Paul
On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 04:46 AM, David C. Partridge wrote:
Every time you edit a post it gets set out to all email recipients - in some
cases I have received 6 or 7 copies of the same post with minor spelling
corrections and sometimes added info. So please resist the temptation.
If you need to add information just reply to your original with the extra
stuff and leave the bare minimum of the original to allow context
recognition.
Thanks
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My vote would be to disable editing FWIW
D.
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Paul Kanevsky
Sent: 25 April 2021 14:20
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Losmandy_users_io] Editing posts - please don't ? There are a few options: - You can subscribe to the email digest -- this will include only the final copy of the edited message
- Don't subscribe to email updates at all, use the website instead
- I can disable message editing for the group
Regards,
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David,
If you click on Groups.io in the upper left hand corner, you will see the groups you belong to, e.g. Losmandy_users.
Check off the square box to the left of that group.
Below the Groups you will see a blue square with an Actions drop down menu.
You can select Full Featured Digest or Daily Summary.
Then select Yes on the Verify Pop-Up.
Then you will not see each email, but only a collection as accumulated. I don't want to see dozens of emails every day either, so I use Full Digest.
Paul:
Kindly do not change editing. We could then have many posts with incorrect info leading people astray, especially those with uncorrected detailed instructions leading to operator frustration and possible mount damage. I have changed a few things after discovering some out of order statements, confusing typos or just puffing steps from bad memory. Often we refer to posts to help solve situations during nights sessions, and we want the best info at our finger tips.
Thanks,
John?
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On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 11:55 AM, John Kmetz wrote:
Paul:
Kindly do not change editing. We could then have many posts with incorrect info leading people astray, especially those with uncorrected detailed instructions leading to operator frustration and possible mount damage. I have changed a few things after discovering some out of order statements, confusing typos or just puffing steps from bad memory. Often we refer to posts to help solve situations during nights sessions, and we want the best info at our finger tips.
I just put in a suggestion to groups.io to add an optional time limit on editing messages, of say a few minutes. This way the author can correct spelling mistakes and fix anything that's wrong for a time after posting it without generating multiple emails. The editing option would go away after this period, and the email will be sent. Let's see if this is accepted, as I think this could really help. Regards, ? ?-Paul
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Paul> I just put in a suggestion to groups.io to add an optional time limit on editing messages, of say a few minutes. This way the author can correct spelling mistakes and fix anything that's wrong for a time after posting it without generating multiple emails. The editing option would go away after this period, and the email will be sent. Let's see if this is accepted, as I think this could really help.
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I can only speak for myself here, but pretty much every post I have ever edited (on this or other forums) has happened after I or someone else read the submitted post. I suspect it is a function of seeing the text with different line spacing (drawing attention to different parts of the text than when you typed it) but not at all sure.
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It could just be whatever ornery force in the universe makes us say "Yes" to a series of "are you sure ?" software prompts (with increasing frustration at the questioning) followed by "OMG no !!".... "Stop !!" when the operation we requested actually gets executed.
EDIT - this was a good example... after reading the post as it was sent back to me I realized I forgot to change the automatic "AMD Confidential" message our email system adds.
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Sorry for the noise... I guess the groups.io site somehow re-mails messages after editing and our mail server adds the default message again. Hopefully this one won't have the "official use only" tag.
Anyways, I'll just throw another option out for consideration... add some guidance to the site making it clear that editing for minor things (grammar/punctuation etc...) generates a bunch of noise and that editing should be limited to important (ie factual)
changes only.
Thanks,
John
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Let's also remember that some subscribers do not use English as their primary language. And they may rely on Google Translate or something else to interpret messages. What might be a minor typo could really mess them up for exact meaning.
Also I don't catch my mistakes perhaps until the next day, or until someone replies. Personally, I wouldn't ask a whole group to be perfect the first time round when I could just change my email preferences. Limiting editing intervals to a week or a few days would be more reasonable.
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Anyways, I'll just throw another option out for consideration... add some guidance to the site making it clear that editing for minor things (grammar/punctuation etc...) generates a bunch of noise and that editing should be limited to important (ie factual) changes only.
Thanks, John
I really think that’s all we need, which is close to what David was asking in the first place. ?Replying to the original message with the updates/corrections is even better, IMHO, but editing is OK if it’s really substantive. ?But please call out what has been changed.
As it has been working, most edits seem to be for really minor stuff and it’s hard to tell what’s changed, so I just ignore the edited versions unless I happen to notice them before reading the original. ?Reading from the forum, or subscribing to a digest, doesn’t fix this unless the edits happen shortly after the original. ?For all the reasons, if you think the update is important then it’s better to just reply to the original. ?
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Let's see what comes back from Groups.io. Personally, I find editing of one's messages long after they were posted to be objectionable. Not only will some readers have already read the "wrong" message, but there may be an entire conversation that has occurred based on it. Correcting a message after a long while is akin to revisionist history, in my view. I'd rather post a follow-up with corrections than alter what's already been shared and seen by others, in this case.?
Regards,
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Let's also remember that some subscribers do not use English as their primary language. And they may rely on Google Translate or something else to interpret messages. What might be a minor typo could really mess them up for exact meaning.
Also I don't catch my mistakes perhaps until the next day, or until someone replies. Personally, I wouldn't ask a whole group to be perfect the first time round when I could just change my email preferences. Limiting editing intervals to a week or a few days would be more reasonable.
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>>Let's see what comes back from Groups.io. Personally, I find editing of one's messages long after they were posted to be objectionable. Not only will some readers have already read the "wrong" message, but there may be an entire conversation that has
occurred based on it. Correcting a message after a long while is akin to revisionist history, in my view. I'd rather post a follow-up with corrections than alter what's already been shared and seen by others, in this case.?
Agree on all counts - no objection to a time limit on editing, just not a fan of having it too short.
The ideal flow IMO would be something like:
- regular editing for a short period after posting (15 minutes is too short but a day is probably fine)
- ability to edit at any time after posting but ONLY to add new text, not remove/change existing text
I would actually be quite happy with only the second bullet - ability to go back and add text but not change existing text.
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Alan,
You email is not visible unless you have chosen that in account profile, to my understanding. Upon checking just now I don't see anything personal info about you. You might see something different if you are logged in and looking at yourself. One of the Moderators can correct me if I am not accurate here.
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People who have messages automatically emailed to them get our email addresses.? A spammer can simply subscribe to this group and sit around collecting.
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Previously I was looking at what was on the webpage. There I did not see all email addresses. However, they are visible in the distributed emails from the group. I would agree with you Alan, that an option to suppress that information for those who want it would be nice.?
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I have only ever used groups.io as a forum.? Just about the last thing I want is more emails. The way I use groups.io, each separate forum is its own channel.??
I make the occasional spellnig erraz when typing.? Sometimes, say a dropped s when I meant to use a plural, it can completely change a sentence's meaning.? If I do not catch this prior to posting, I need to edit.
Editing is a part of today's computerized life and has been since the mid-1980s.
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Proofreading
is even older..
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Derek
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Subject: Re: [Losmandy_users_io]
Editing posts - please don't
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I have only ever used groups.io as a forum.? Just about the last
thing I want is more emails. The way I use groups.io, each separate forum is
its own channel.??
I make the occasional spellnig erraz when typing.? Sometimes, say a
dropped s when I meant to use a plural, it can completely change a sentence's
meaning.? If I do not catch this prior to posting, I need to edit.
Editing is a part of today's computerized life and has been since the
mid-1980s.
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David C. Partridge
Paul Kanevsky
Pete