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Re: Moving Ahead With My Losmandy G11 / Gemini-1
Very nice complete report, Russ.? I am happy that repair ordeal is over.? Use it in good health and have fun! More of the puzzle story....a long story: As Russ said, this was a weird Gemini-1 behavior.? The unit would boot up, then the display would get "stuck" before it would say it was seeking the GPS. A button press on the hand controller would unfreeze the display and it would say waiting for GPS then... get stuck again, with some garbled characters at the end.? Replacing the hand controller, or CPU, or EPROM chips gave the same behavior.? Why would the display get stuck?? And why would the East diamond button on the hand controller not work? Bren had warned about corrosion effects and I've seen this before.? One unit I got looked like it had been left in the rain and it was just rusting, destroying the copper traces of the board.? So I inspected for corrosion on receipt, but did not see anything noteworthy. I did see some clues though: The main board inside showed a slight bit of mild corrosion at the bottom where the 5V DC DC converter power circuit resides.? But that voltage converter was working fine.?? Since the CPU, EPROM and hand controller were known good, my suspicions went to the SRAM providing code data to the CPU.? The SRAM was leaking current more than it should.? And the D1 dual Schottky diode was also dropping the 5V supply to the SRAM by 0.37 volts and that causes the CPU chip and SRAM chip connections to fight and damage each other. The chips must see no more than 0.25 V between their Vcc values.? I therefore replaced both chips (D1 first was easiest...but did not fix the trouble) and the voltage drop went to 0.2 volts that was fine.?? But the boot up problem remained.? Then I tried talking to the unit through the serial port (another suspect chip) and...it worked perfectly.? I could operate the Gemini perfectly remotely, just not from the hand controller.? How strange.? I reported my progress and puzzles all along to Bren in Australia and David in UK.? They always help a lot with their experience in these repairs.?? At that point David Partridge suggested looking at the extra hand controller socket at the top left of the Gemini unit and then...voila! I saw the suspicious discoloration.? After scraping away at that, the the unit came back to life.? I then found more corrosion inside the connector, cleaned with Qtips and alcohol.? I tested the unit for motor control, and serial port operation...all good again.?? Curious: one of the front stainless steel button head screws finish was dulled.? The other ones were bright and shiny.?? But I did not look into the extra hand socket connector: I thought, who ever uses that?? The corrosion was inside there in that dark black socket. The copper wires in there had also turned very dark color. Here is a photo of the damaged corroded area.? I have started scraping out the corrosion with a file.? There was even more corrosion if you view the same connector from the right side if the board looking left.? Strangely, the corrosion was just conductive enough to make Gemini think someone was pushing a hand controller button (probably the East diamond hand controller button).?? I like all the ideas you have mentioned, and Brian's idea of a plug sounds great. I'll buy some of those.? ? ? The Gemini-1 has many open spaces around the front top connectors, and the side hand controller, for moisture and bugs to enter.? I have used slices of thick felt to stuff into these crevices, to try and better weatherproof my many Gemini-1 units.?? For a better dessicant, there is a benign product called "silica gel". You see this in small packages added to many electronic and optics packages for shipping.? You can reheat those to drive out the moisture, and reuse them.? Stay away from salts... when hydrated they form conductive ionic solutions that corrode and plate too.? Sulfur salts can form a sulfuric acid that eats the copper and replates it (copper dendrites?).? One of our group's chemistry experts is sure to know how this stuff works.? I wonder if living by the nice salt air of the ocean, as Russ does in Coos Bay Oregon may have additional risks (LA beach communities too?).? Stay well and happy imaging! Michael On Wed, Oct 7, 2020, 9:34 PM <russmilt@...> wrote: How pleased I continue to be with my 2008 version of Losmandy G-11. After 12 years the?Gemini-1?electronics had quite working. On the recommendation several persons on different forums I entrusted the repair to Michael Herman. So I can add myself to the those who have been vary satisfied with the work he did in getting the repair accomplished. His expertise was very much in evidence. He admitted that the symptoms were very strange, puzzling to himself and the other Losmandy electronic repair specialists in the UK and Australia. But he didn't give up and expeditiously finished the job by an intelligent process - testing, replacing suspect parts. Eventually the EPROM, SRAM chips were replaced along with some smaller discrete components. He eventually tracked down the cause of the issue. |
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