Why do? KELVERDON front brake discs cost so much less than other UK suppliers ?
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Over the years I have acquired a number of Lotus parts. ?I think it's time to begin to clear out things I'm not likely to ever need again. ?To that end I put together a list of brief descriptions and some low resolution photos of what I'm trying to sell. ?Offers accepted.
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Everything is used and you should count on rebuilding and refurbishing before use.
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Shipping is a bit of an issue. ?The parts and I live in northern New Mexico so my only option is UPS or FedEx. ?However we can quickly load stuff into your truck if you'd like to come by.
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I have more photos and can provide more detail if you contact me.
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The list w/ photos can be found here: ?
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Re: Strange Chassis number? 23-R-871
Hello
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I restore a early car - comes to germany in 1964/65 with a 1100 ccm Cossy and a Renault box - imported from the Behnke Brothers ( Behnke Condor cars ) in Munich
They install a BMW M10 - 2 LTR and a Colotti - later a MK 8 - so this 23 never had a Twin Cam
I rebuild it with a proper Nerus BMW Engine and a MK8
On the Blade between the seats stamped MK23/9
Sadly, the rear end from the engine area was later modified - so the AM Number was lost ( Any chance to find the AN number with the MK 23/9 number ? )
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regards? Karl / Germany
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. November 2024 um 18:55
Von: "elanman39 via groups.io" <n_adams@...>
Betreff: Re: [L23Registry] Strange Chassis number? 23-R-871
I didn’t say and wouldn’t say it’s not a genuine 23; I’m not rich enough to fight a law suit! ?What I can say is there is not enough proven history for the Lotus 23 register to be able to determine if it is a real car or what it’s identity was.??If you haven’t shared evidence of your cars history to us then we might well have to say the same about your car if we were asked.?The lack of a frame number doesn’t prove it’s not real, there are plenty out there missing numbers for perfectly legitimate reasons. ?Worryingly there are many more out there with duplicated, incorrect or incorrectly stamped frame numbers which in many ways concern me more than those that are just missing. Don’t forget there are twice as many claimed 23’s ?known to us than Lotus ever built!
If you want to check on what we know about your car or even better if you want to improve our knowledge of it then feel free to contact us any time either by a personal mail from this site or via the HLR website as below
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Best, ?Nick
Nick Adams
Registrar, Lotus 23
Historic Lotus Register
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Whats the asking price it is obviously non genuine but some fool might get caught . MURRAY CHARNLEY
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It seems rather disingenuous to me that the advertisement states "Year of Manufacture: 1963" when it clearly is not based upon the reply previous to Dean's.
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On Wed, Nov 20, 2024, 2:55 ?PM Dean Collins via ?<collinsdean= [email protected]> wrote:
Everyone: note that there is no photo of AM # on cockpit center square tube.
There are duplicate AM #'s around as well.
From:?"elanman39 via?" <n_adams=[email protected]>
To:?"L23Registry" <[email protected]>
Sent:?Wednesday, November 20, 2024 1:05:13 PM
Subject:?Re: [L23Registry] Strange Chassis number? 23-R-871
Hi Joao, we can discuss when you call me tomorrow but the 23R871 number was put on this car by it’s owner when he built it and then wanted to sell it abroad ( probably the first car he built in 1987!), so he just invented a number for the customs people.? It is not in any way an original Lotus chassis number.
Best, ?Nick
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On 20 Nov 2024, at 15:48, zjoao_mx via??<zjoaomx@...> wrote:
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Still on my quest to buy a 23, found this car?
The chassis number listed is:?23-R-871 (checked plate in photos)
I couldn't find information on Lotus 23s with R in their chassis number. Can anyone help? Thanks!
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Re: Strange Chassis number? 23-R-871
I didn’t say and wouldn’t say it’s not a genuine 23; I’m not rich enough to fight a law suit! ?What I can say is there is not enough proven history for the Lotus 23 register to be able to determine if it is a real car or what it’s identity was.??If you haven’t shared evidence of your cars history to us then we might well have to say the same about your car if we were asked.?The lack of a frame number doesn’t prove it’s not real, there are plenty out there missing numbers for perfectly legitimate reasons. ?Worryingly there are many more out there with duplicated, incorrect or incorrectly stamped frame numbers which in many ways concern me more than those that are just missing. Don’t forget there are twice as many claimed 23’s ?known to us than Lotus ever built! If you want to check on what we know about your car or even better if you want to improve our knowledge of it then feel free to contact us any time either by a personal mail from this site or via the HLR website as below
Best, ?Nick
Nick Adams
Registrar, Lotus 23
Historic Lotus Register
DISCLAIMER
Introduction - Information regarding inter?alia cars, components, ownership or past?usage provided in good faith in whole or?in part by Historic Lotus Register Ltd?(HLR) and its officers may have been?collected from a variety of sources, some?or all of which may not be complete,?verified, verifiable or proven. ?HLR and?its officers do not warranty the ?accuracy,?completeness or originality that may?implied by the information provided or?the value of the information inferred by?the recipient. ?Information regarding?specific cars may be revealed at this?time or at any time in the future which?contradicts or raises doubts about?authenticity or originality. ?Other cars?claiming the same identity may exist or?appear at some stage in the future on?our records and HLR and its officers?disclaim any liability arising from this?information now or in the future.
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The Terms and Conditions of the full?Historic Lotus Register Ltd. Disclaimer?takes precedence over this short?introduction ?and can be found on?o/HLR%20-%20Disclaimer.html?
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Whats the asking price it is obviously non genuine but some fool might get caught . MURRAY CHARNLEY ? ? It seems rather disingenuous to me that the advertisement states "Year of Manufacture: 1963" when it clearly is not based upon the reply previous to Dean's. ? On Wed, Nov 20, 2024, 2:55 ?PM Dean Collins via ?<collinsdean= [email protected]> wrote: Everyone: note that there is no photo of AM # on cockpit center square tube. There are duplicate AM #'s around as well.
From:?"elanman39 via?" <n_adams=[email protected]>
To:?"L23Registry" <[email protected]>
Sent:?Wednesday, November 20, 2024 1:05:13 PM
Subject:?Re: [L23Registry] Strange Chassis number? 23-R-871 Hi Joao, we can discuss when you call me tomorrow but the 23R871 number was put on this car by it’s owner when he built it and then wanted to sell it abroad ( probably the first car he built in 1987!), so he just invented a number for the customs people.? It is not in any way an original Lotus chassis number. Best, ?Nick ? On 20 Nov 2024, at 15:48, zjoao_mx via??<zjoaomx@...> wrote: ? Still on my quest to buy a 23, found this car? The chassis number listed is:?23-R-871 (checked plate in photos) I couldn't find information on Lotus 23s with R in their chassis number. Can anyone help? Thanks!
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Sorry, B18 motor...driven from Monterey to Los Angelas many times, (400 miles each way), and to Placerville as well.
On Wednesday, November 20, 2024 at 04:14:02 PM PST, frank homet via groups.io <srankinstein@...> wrote:
If anyone is interested, I have the last Xanthos 23B imported/built. It has a supercharged variable valve Honda B19 motor and 5 speed. Very tractable on the street, (I only drive it on the street), and is very fast. with 230 H.P... Contact me if any interest or questions. Thanks, Frank
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If anyone is interested, I have the last Xanthos 23B imported/built. It has a supercharged variable valve Honda B19 motor and 5 speed. Very tractable on the street, (I only drive it on the street), and is very fast. with 230 H.P... Contact me if any interest or questions. Thanks, Frank
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For you guys who wants to buy a Lotus 23B...
I have for sale a Merlyn Mk6.... Similar to a Lotus 23B
With a fresh Twin Cam, a 5-speed Hewland Mk8
For more information Contact me? ? olle23bcg@...
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Re: Strange Chassis number? 23-R-871
Whats the asking price it is obviously non genuine but some fool might get caught . MURRAY CHARNLEY ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian Elkins via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, 21 November 2024 6:04 AM
To: [email protected] Group Moderators <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [L23Registry] Strange Chassis number? 23-R-871? It seems rather disingenuous to me that the advertisement states "Year of Manufacture: 1963" when it clearly is not based upon the reply previous to Dean's. ? On Wed, Nov 20, 2024, 2:55?PM Dean Collins via <collinsdean=[email protected]> wrote: Everyone: note that there is no photo of AM # on cockpit center square tube. There are duplicate AM #'s around as well.
From: "elanman39 via " <n_adams=[email protected]>
To: "L23Registry" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2024 1:05:13 PM
Subject: Re: [L23Registry] Strange Chassis number? 23-R-871 Hi Joao, we can discuss when you call me tomorrow but the 23R871 number was put on this car by it’s owner when he built it and then wanted to sell it abroad ( probably the first car he built in 1987!), so he just invented a number for the customs people.? It is not in any way an original Lotus chassis number. Best, ?Nick ? On 20 Nov 2024, at 15:48, zjoao_mx via <zjoaomx@...> wrote: ? Still on my quest to buy a 23, found this car The chassis number listed is: 23-R-871 (checked plate in photos) I couldn't find information on Lotus 23s with R in their chassis number. Can anyone help? Thanks!
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Re: Strange Chassis number? 23-R-871
It seems rather disingenuous to me that the advertisement states "Year of Manufacture: 1963" when it clearly is not based upon the reply previous to Dean's.
Brian Elkins
On Wed, Nov 20, 2024, 2:55?PM Dean Collins via <collinsdean= [email protected]> wrote: Everyone: note that there is no photo of AM # on cockpit center square tube.
Sure sign of a fake.
There are duplicate AM #'s around as well.
Do your due diligence.
Dean Collins
From: "elanman39 via " <n_adams= [email protected]> To: "L23Registry" < [email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2024 1:05:13 PM Subject: Re: [L23Registry] Strange Chassis number? 23-R-871
Hi Joao, we can discuss when you call me tomorrow but the 23R871 number was put on this car by it’s owner when he built it and then wanted to sell it abroad ( probably the first car he built in 1987!), so he just invented a number for the customs people.? It is not in any way an original Lotus chassis number.
Best, ?Nick On 20 Nov 2024, at 15:48, zjoao_mx via < zjoaomx@...> wrote:
Still on my quest to buy a 23, found this car
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The chassis number listed is: 23-R-871 (checked plate in photos)
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I couldn't find information on Lotus 23s with R in their chassis number. Can anyone help? Thanks!
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Re: Strange Chassis number? 23-R-871
Everyone: note that there is no photo of AM # on cockpit center square tube.
Sure sign of a fake.
There are duplicate AM #'s around as well.
Do your due diligence.
Dean Collins
From: "elanman39 via groups.io" <n_adams@...> To: "L23Registry" < [email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2024 1:05:13 PM Subject: Re: [L23Registry] Strange Chassis number? 23-R-871
Hi Joao, we can discuss when you call me tomorrow but the 23R871 number was put on this car by it’s owner when he built it and then wanted to sell it abroad ( probably the first car he built in 1987!), so he just invented a number for the customs people. ?It is not in any way an original Lotus chassis number.
Best, ?Nick On 20 Nov 2024, at 15:48, zjoao_mx via < zjoaomx@...> wrote:
Still on my quest to buy a 23, found this car
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The chassis number listed is: 23-R-871 (checked plate in photos)
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I couldn't find information on Lotus 23s with R in their chassis number. Can anyone help? Thanks!
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Re: Strange Chassis number? 23-R-871
Hi Joao, we can discuss when you call me tomorrow but the 23R871 number was put on this car by it’s owner when he built it and then wanted to sell it abroad ( probably the first car he built in 1987!), so he just invented a number for the customs people. ?It is not in any way an original Lotus chassis number.
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On 20 Nov 2024, at 15:48, zjoao_mx via < zjoaomx@...> wrote:
Still on my quest to buy a 23, found this car
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The chassis number listed is: 23-R-871 (checked plate in photos)
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I couldn't find information on Lotus 23s with R in their chassis number. Can anyone help? Thanks!
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Strange Chassis number? 23-R-871
Still on my quest to buy a 23, found this car
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The chassis number listed is: 23-R-871 (checked plate in photos)
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I couldn't find information on Lotus 23s with R in their chassis number. Can anyone help? Thanks!
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Re: Help for Chassis 23-S-69
Mark had two 23s. A green one and a cream/off white one.? Jeremy Deeley +44 (0) 7941 500774
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On 15 Nov 2024, at 11:59, zjoao_mx via groups.io <zjoaomx@...> wrote:
? Thanks so much. Just sent an email. In searching online, it seemed that Mark Green's car was 23-S-168 and not 23-S-69. Fingers crossed this is the real deal. Thanks again for the help!
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Re: Help for Chassis 23-S-69
Thanks Nick. It was indeed me. I'll reply by email with further information on the car once I have it. Thanks again.
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Re: Help for Chassis 23-S-69
Hello, assuming you ?are the same person who sent me a direct mail I have replied to that. ?If this wasn’t you please post again and I will respond on here. ?Thanks, ?Nick
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On 15 Nov 2024, at 14:59, zjoao_mx via < zjoaomx@...> wrote:
Thanks so much. Just sent an email. In searching online, it seemed that Mark Green's car was 23-S-168 and not 23-S-69. Fingers crossed this is the real deal. Thanks again for the help!
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Re: Help for Chassis 23-S-69
Thanks so much. Just sent an email. In searching online, it seemed that Mark Green's car was 23-S-168 and not 23-S-69. Fingers crossed this is the real deal. Thanks again for the help!
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Re: Help for Chassis 23-S-69
Mark Green is a good friend of mine. He runs Motor Racing Medics that does race medicals here in the U.K. and is very reputable. I am sure he can help you out with the history of the car as he only ever bought cars with impeccable provenance. I have driven that car in the past when in Mark’s ownership
Kind regards Jeremy Deeley +44 (0) 7941 500774
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On 15 Nov 2024, at 07:50, zjoao_mx via groups.io <zjoaomx@...> wrote:
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Hi all. I am considering the purchase of the Lotus 23, chassis number 23-S-69. The seller claims that the car was sold to a dutch racer in 1963 and then raced by Mark Green, and was then sold to Alain Noirhomme. Car has a road license, plate is 324 YUH.
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Link to the add:
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Can you help me verify that this is a real Lotus 23.
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Thanks!
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Hi all. I am considering the purchase of the Lotus 23, chassis number 23-S-69. The seller claims that the car was sold to a dutch racer in 1963 and then raced by Mark Green, and was then sold to Alain Noirhomme. Car has a road license, plate is 324 YUH.
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Link to the add:
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Can you help me verify that this is a real Lotus 23.
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Thanks!
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Re: FRONT CRANK SHAFT OIL SEAL LEAK at race speeds
Thanks DAN good idea I will try that it will not be hard to do? Murray ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dan Wise via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, 4 July 2023 10:58 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [L23Registry] FRONT CRANK SHAFT OIL SEAL LEAK at race speeds? I'm new to the group, but not new to Twincams and Ford Kent motors.? The advice about the seal grooving the crank is great.? It's also possible to install a "speedy-sleeve" by Chicago Rawhide over the nose of the crankshaft.? They are available at most any industrial bearing house.? That said, it's hard to find the exact source of the leak sometimes.? I was losing oil from the lower front cover area in my car and fed up with the mess.? I made up an adapter from my shop compressed air hose to the dry sump vent hose.? I regulated the pressure down to 1 PSIG and pressurized the engine through the vent hose.? I filled a spray bottle with water and some dish soap and sprayed the soapy water over and around the front of the engine.? In my case, the bubbles showed it was the centrifugal tach drive and one little pinhole at the mating joint of the pan where it meets the front cover. 23-S-12 (Duke Zander/Skip Quain's car)
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Re: FRONT CRANK SHAFT OIL SEAL LEAK at race speeds
Good morning,
I'm new to the group, but not new to Twincams and Ford Kent motors.?
The advice about the seal grooving the crank is great.? It's also possible to install a "speedy-sleeve" by Chicago Rawhide over the nose of the crankshaft.? They are available at most any industrial bearing house.? That said, it's hard to find the exact source of the leak sometimes.?
I was losing oil from the lower front cover area in my car and fed up with the mess.? I made up an adapter from my shop compressed air hose to the dry sump vent hose.? I regulated the pressure down to 1 PSIG and pressurized the engine through the vent hose.? I filled a spray bottle with water and some dish soap and sprayed the soapy water over and around the front of the engine.? In my case, the bubbles showed it was the centrifugal tach drive and one little pinhole at the mating joint of the pan where it meets the front cover.
Best of luck to the OP.
Dan Wise 23-S-12 (Duke Zander/Skip Quain's car)
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JEREMY DEELEY
Dan Wise