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Stefan, You asked me before if I knew what church my family was baptized in. This is what i have gotten so far. They were from Strzelce in the state (Woj.) of Kielce. The county is Busko-Zdroj. The church was Olesnica. Also i need to find out information on the town Bozy-now? THanks Cindi

Welcome to Henrietta, I would think that inquiries at the Archiwum Akt Dawnych in Warsaw may yield up birth records for the town of Podhajce (assuming that was in partitioned Poland). Henrietta, have you tried the archives? Have you tried the list at PolandBorderSurnames-L@...? Can anybody suggest any other avenues for her to explore? Stefan From: Henrietta Parenteau <henrietta.parenteau@...> Hi, I have been trying to locate my father's family for the past number of years but have failed. My grandfather Frank Kozlowski was born in Podhajce in about 1873 he lived there with his family until he left for Canada in 1899. He left behind brothers Stefan, Marcyn, Jozef and sisters Maria and Kasha. It is believed his father was Jozef and maybe the mother Paulina, she died in about 1893-94. When my grandfather passed away in 1941 all contact was lost with the family. My father who is now 85 and in poor health has always wanted to know where or what happened to the other part of his family. If possible to find the children or grandchildren of these people. Can you help me in any way. Yours truly, Henrietta Parenteau(Kozloski)

Dear group members, I seek your advice. As the list owner and moderator, I have adopted a policy of "approving" new members because of the sensitive nature of some of the dialogue and privacy concerns of some members of the group. However, I do not wish to discourage new members, as there are few of us and there is strength in numbers. As a new group, we are keen to grow and include as many people as possible with a genuine interest in this issue. So, do you think that I should ask new members to send me a brief note introducing themselves and outlining their interest in the Kresy-Siberia issue before they can join the group? As an option, if they you request I could keep their note private, but otherwise I would like to use it to introduce them the group. Please tell me what you think, but let's not crowd the list with responses - please send your advice directly to my e-mail box at SWisniowski@.... Thanks -- Stefan Wisniowski Kresy-Siberia List Moderator

If any of you do not wish to receive e-mails from this group one by one, you have the option of requesting the "Digest" format instead. This combines all the group's e-mails for the whole day into one you get sent at the end of each day. To change your settings to the Digest mode, just go to the group web-site http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kresy-Siberia and edit your options. (I think I have those instructions right - I am new at this, remember!) Regards, Stefan Wisniowski Kresy-Siberia Group moderator

Dear Tom, Your interest is a bit off topic for the Kresy-Siberia group. However, I will send your note out to the group as a one-time request, and see if anybody has some suggestions, and ask them to come back directly to you. The best groups for these type of inquiries are PolandBorderSurnames-L@... and POLAND-ROOTS-L@..., which I have also taken the liberty of forwarding your request to in case some new people there can assist you. I hope that helps. Good luck, -- Stefan Wisniowski Kresy-Siberia List Moderator From: Tclong24@... Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 16:05:04 EDT To: swisniowski@... Subject: (no subject) Stefan: I joined this list to see if I could learn anything about my ancestors. I have joined other lists but have had no success in finding any information or any one else trying to trace the name DESPERAK, who is my great-grandfather and his wife Anna. I don't know if he came from Poland because I have heard that he was from Bohemia and came across the border and met his wife. I don't know if I will find any information on this list, but I thought would be worth an attempt. Respectfully yours, Tom Long

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Please welcome Jean-Pierre Sangin to the group. His family history (from Wilno in the Kresy) is on the web at: http://www3.sympatico.ca/sangin/home/english.html Here is an excerpt from his webpage: My grand-father's name is Jan Songin. His parents are Josef Songin and Alexandra Dorniak. He was born in Tietiance (then Russia, and after Poland but now Lithuania). In 1930, my grand-father immigrated into France in order to marry Marie-Anne Sawosto my grand-mother. Her parents are Josef Sawosto and Pelagia Czyz. She gave him five sons and daughters, the first Maryan (my father Maurice), my uncles and aunts Edward, Jean-Claude, Geneviève and Monique. The day my grand-father married my grand-mother, the clerk made a mistake on the register and since then our surname is Sangin. Several millions Poles left their country because of war or economic reasons. Now many Songin are in USA, France, England, Australia, Germany... There was a Songin deported from Poland to Alma-Ata, capital of the Kazakhstan and a cousin who lives in Australia. One day, I should like to visit my relatives in Lithuania, in Poland, in USA... But before, I hope to make some contacts with them. Thanks, J-P. Regards, -- Stefan Wisniowski Kresy-Siberia List Moderator

I have received this pertinent article off the web from Wladyslaw Czapski, and have attempted a translation of the salient facts. My Aunt died and was buried in Teheran on the day after her 18th birthday. It is possible that many of us have family members buried in these cemeteries. Wes Adamczyk has told me about an excursion being organised from London to Iran to attend the 50th anniversary ceremonies of the "Great Escape" next April. Current events make a trip to south-central Asia problematic, but I can pass on details to anybody interested. Here is the article (with gratitude to my Saturday Polish school language skills and apologies in advance for any flaws in the translation). http://si.pol.pl/servlet/daily/news?data=2001-09-08&nr=2 TRANSLATION: Andrzej Przewoznik: Experts going to Iran next month. Polish Radio reports that Polish experts are going to Iran next month to agree plans with local authorities for remembrance ceremonies for the exiled Polish civilians and military personnel buried there. In 1942, the Poles left the then Soviet Union with General Anders' army and managed to reach Iran. Many died from exhaustion after their sojourn in the forced labour camps. Secretary of the "Council to Protect the Memory of Struggle and Suffering", Andrzej Przewoznik, said that state ceremonies commemorating the exiles will take place in Iran next year. He added that the Council decided to restore all the cemeteries in this country where Poles are buried. Andrzej Przewoznik said that scores of other cemeteries will be restored in other countries that the civilian population and the army of General Anders reached from the Soviet Union. Beyond Iran, restorations are underway in Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, and India as well as in Africa. [Saturday, 8 September 2001]. ORIGINAL: Andrzej Przewoz?nik: za miesia?c eksperci jada? do Iranu Za miesia?c do Iranu wyjada? polscy eksperci, aby uzgodnic? z tamtejszymi w?adzami plan uroczystos?ci, które maja? upamie?tnic? pochowanych tam polskich uchodz?ców cywilnych i wojskowych -- poinformowa?o Polskie Radio. W 1942 roku wyszli oni z ówczesnego Zwia?zku Radzieckiego i wraz z armia? genera?a Andersa dotarli do Iranu. Wielu zmar?o z powodu wycien?czenia po pobycie w ?agrach. Sekretarz Rady Ochrony Pamie?ci Walki i Me?czen?stwa Andrzej Przewoz?nik powiedzia?, z?e uroczystos?ci pan?stwowe upamie?tniaja?ce uchodz?ców odbe?da? sie? w Iranie w przysz?ym roku. Doda?, z?e Rada zdecydowa?a o uporza?dkowaniu wszystkich cmentarzy w tym kraju, gdzie pochowani sa? Polacy. Andrzej Przewoz?nik powiedzia?, z?e uporza?dkowanych zostanie tez? kilkadziesia?t innych cmentarzy na terenach róz?nych pan?stw, gdzie ze Zwia?zku Radzieckiego dotar?a ludnos?c? cywilna i armia genera?a Andersa. Oprócz Iranu, prace renowacyjne trwaja? w Kazachstanie, Uzbekistanie, w Indiach oraz w Afryce. [ sobota, 8 wrzes?nia 2001 ] -- Stefan Wisniowski Australia

Wladyslaw Czapski - Wroclaw - Poland. www.us.wroc.pl/bio-rytm/main.htm biorytm@... I received magazine {writing} from Polish Embassy in Teheran about my Mother Janina deceased Czapska in 1942. Magazine {writing} gave No of grave. Who ascertained death. Why died {dead} and when. Who accompanied on cemetery. What left from her fortune in ZSRR Embassy Poland in Teheran wrote that these given has from 1942 rouk. I think that Embassy has record {of} Polish c ----- Wiadomosc oryginalna ----- Od: "Stefan Wisniowski" <swisniowski@...> Do: "Kresy-Siberia Group" <Kresy-Siberia@...> Wyslano: 26 wrzesnia 2001 10:38 Temat: [Kresy-Siberia] Polish graves in Iran to be restored I have received this pertinent article off the web from Wladyslaw Czapski, and have attempted a translation of the salient facts. My Aunt died and was buried in Teheran on the day after her 18th birthday. It is possible that many of us have family members buried in these cemeteries. Wes Adamczyk has told me about an excursion being organised from London to Iran to attend the 50th anniversary ceremonies of the "Great Escape" next April. Current events make a trip to south-central Asia problematic, but I can pass on details to anybody interested. Here is the article (with gratitude to my Saturday Polish school language skills and apologies in advance for any flaws in the translation). http://si.pol.pl/servlet/daily/news?data=2001-09-08&nr=2 TRANSLATION: Andrzej Przewoznik: Experts going to Iran next month. Polish Radio reports that Polish experts are going to Iran next month to agree plans with local authorities for remembrance ceremonies for the exiled Polish civilians and military personnel buried there. In 1942, the Poles left the then Soviet Union with General Anders' army and managed to reach Iran. Many died from exhaustion after their sojourn in the forced labour camps. Secretary of the "Council to Protect the Memory of Struggle and Suffering", Andrzej Przewoznik, said that state ceremonies commemorating the exiles will take place in Iran next year. He added that the Council decided to restore all the cemeteries in this country where Poles are buried. Andrzej Przewoznik said that scores of other cemeteries will be restored in other countries that the civilian population and the army of General Anders reached from the Soviet Union. Beyond Iran, restorations are underway in Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, and India as well as in Africa. [Saturday, 8 September 2001]. ORIGINAL: Andrzej Przewoznik: za miesiaoc eksperci jadao do Iranu Za miesiaoc do Iranu wyjadao polscy eksperci, aby uzgodnic z tamtejszymi w?adzami plan uroczystosci, ktre majao upamieotnic pochowanych tam polskich uchodzcw cywilnych i wojskowych -- poinformowa?o Polskie Radio. W 1942 roku wyszli oni z wczesnego Zwiaozku Radzieckiego i wraz z armiao genera?a Andersa dotarli do Iranu. Wielu zmar?o z powodu wycienczenia po pobycie w ?agrach. Sekretarz Rady Ochrony Pamieoci Walki i Meoczenstwa Andrzej Przewoznik powiedzia?, zTe uroczystosci panstwowe upamieotniajaoce uchodzcw odbeodao sieo w Iranie w przysz?ym roku. Doda?, zTe Rada zdecydowa?a o uporzaodkowaniu wszystkich cmentarzy w tym kraju, gdzie pochowani sao Polacy. Andrzej Przewoznik powiedzia?, zTe uporzaodkowanych zostanie tezT kilkadziesiaot innych cmentarzy na terenach rzTnych panstw, gdzie ze Zwiaozku Radzieckiego dotar?a ludnosc cywilna i armia genera?a Andersa. Oprcz Iranu, prace renowacyjne trwajao w Kazachstanie, Uzbekistanie, w Indiach oraz w Afryce. [ sobota, 8 wrzesnia 2001 ] -- Stefan Wisniowski Australia +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP + Research, Remembrance, Recognition +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Website: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kresy-Siberia +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Replies to this message will go directly to the full list. + Send e-mails to: Kresy-Siberia@... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + To Subscribe, send a blank email to: + Kresy-Siberia-subscribe@... AND + a message to Kresy-Siberia-owner@... + saying who you are

I would like to welcome Jerry Schneider to the group. Here is Jerry's story, I hope that we can help him with his research. -- Stefan Wisniowski Kresy-Siberia List Moderator ---------- From: Jerry Schneider <jschneider@...> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 09:22:26 -0400 "At present, I am researching the families of my paternal grandfather who resided primarily in Zolkiewka and Izbica, outside of Lublin. This includes the Shnaiderman and Roitman family lines. Although my grandfather and grandmother emigrated to the U.S. in 1912/1914 respectively, most family members remained in Poland and Russia and presumably died in the holocaust. Family lore indicates that several family members were sent to Siberia (specifically Zlatoust) during the period 1940-1941. Was Zlatoust one of the cities where labor camps existed as identified by the Kresy-Siberia group? One such relative was my paternal great aunt, Esther Rivka Shnaiderman Graier, born in Izbica, moved to Warsaw with her husband Josef Graier in the late-1920s and then moved Eastward to Bialystok after the initial Nazi invasion in 1939. From there, both her, her husband and at least one son Moshe (born in Warsaw in 1932) were relocated to Zlatoust where Esther Rivka died. We don't know what happened to the others. Any information you can provide, suggestions as to where any records may exist, or any other light you can shed on this request will be greatly appreciated. Thank you. - Jerry" --

Meta-morphosis mandatory Dear Steve and Paul and other group members; Apologies to others burdened by this email. I suggest that you please consider using direct email rather than the group list for posting messages of a purely technical nature that are unlikely to be of interest to all. I have found other information here interesting but I don't know or really care if you generate metas metabolically or by metaphoresis. Let's keep the site clean and concise - otherwise people will unsubscribe. Peter Baluk

Please welcome Tom Sajwaj. -- Stefan Wisniowski Kresy-Siberia List Moderator ---------- From: Glenda Sajwaj <tesajwaj@...> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 21:31:54 -0400 My mother's father was born in Grodno province in 1889. He was a Laskowski, and closely related were the Oszmain, Rudol, and Zudziejo (Zadziejo) families. They lived in the Rohotna, Zdzieciol, Dworzec, and Slonim area. After he emigrated to Kansas City, Kansas, via Galveston in 1910, contact with the family in eastern Poland stopped. We do not know the fate of the family there. I certainly appreciate your efforts to develop and to support this group. Tom Sajwaj

Welcome to Adrian Nessel. I hope that through this group, she will find a number of ways to get the information she seeks. -- Stefan Wisniowski Kresy-Siberia List Moderator ------------------------------------------------- From: "Adrian Nessel" <adriannessel@...> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 22:27:49 +0100 Here are my reasons for joining the group. My father now deceased, Jozef Nessel originated from Lwow and was involved in the September Uprising of 1939. He was later imprisoned in the Siberian prison camp system (no idea where) until 1942 when he joined with General Anders and made his way to Palestine and the 8th Army. He later arrived in the UK in 1943 and transferred to the Parachute Brigade in Scotland. After the War he never returned home, but settled in Scotland where he married and lived a full life. I have been carrying out family history research for some 12 months now in an attempt to learn more and to trace any remaining family in Poland. As a result of this research I made contact with the Polish Records Section of the Home Office in London seeking information. Among other things I was told that in Poland my father was married to an Ewa Chudziak and that they had a son Stanislaw who was born in 1940. This has been a shock for us all including my own mother so I have been concentrating a great deal of time in developing this part of my research to confirm their existence and to establish if they are still alive or not. To date I have had no positive results which suggest they are still alive. For me it's important that I locate records or information about Siberia and the camps in the hope of establishing the truth. Hopefully this site will assist me in my quest for the truth. Adrian Nessel Scotland

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the Kresy-Siberia group: Recently Nazi victims of forced labour were paid compensation by German government and industry. Do you think that the families of the deportees to Siberia should also get any compensation for their loss of land and period of forced labour under the Soviets? o No, they have been compensated already o No, they lost that right when they didn't go back to Poland after the War o No, it may not be just but we need to move on with the future o Maybe - but don't know how or from whoMaybe - I need to learn more about this o Yes - from the countries of the former USSR o Yes - from Poland itself o Yes - but don't know how or from who To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kresy-Siberia/polls Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks!

Greetings, I am wondering whether the process of going to the group web page and "registering" as a Yahoo Groups member in order to see the poll and the messages is causing people any difficulty. Please let me know and I may be able to help. (perhaps you can e-mail me directly not to clog up other people's inboxes!) Regards, Stefan

My server works how {as} wants.? I think that will get better. I greet. Wladyslaw Czapski ----- Wiadomosc oryginalna ----- Od: <swisniowski@...> Do: <Kresy-Siberia@...> Wyslano: 2 pazdziernika 2001 08:16 Temat: [Kresy-Siberia] Recent poll

Please check out this site and let me know what you think about: - Content - Format - Any other ideas for material or links? Would any of you be interested in hosting a "Siberian" film evening showing the "A Forgotten Odyssey" film in your home towns? We did this last Friday in Sydney for the local Polonia and our English-speaking guests (the movie is in English) and it was a great success - very moving. We had the Polish Consul there and politicians from State and Federal levels, as well as actual survivors from Siberia, as special guests. The local Polish Scouts and the Australian Veterans Association (RSL) are interested in screenings for their groups. So quite a success as far as "getting the word out". -- Stefan Wisniowski Australia

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It gives me great pleasure and honour to welcome Jagna Wright to the list. As you may already know, together with Aneta Naszynska, Jagna produced a very moving TV documentary in English called "A Forgotten Odyssey". If you haven't been to the www.AForgottenOdyssey.com website yet, following is the summary of the film - which is being taken to the Cannes Film Festival next week! -- Stefan Wisniowski Moderator, Kresy-Siberia

compensation My family from 1863 year Ruthenian deport in every generation. Our present LINE {GOVERNMENT} is drawn aside {halves open} from realizations {of} legally valid judgements of court /1996/ See http://www.us.wroc.pl/bio-rytm/main.htm " Deported from history" Germany {Germen} for following once pay compensations but not Poland - To Poles. Wladyslaw Czapski