From: "ghelon"
If it is possible, could there be a Red Hyperlink from the ForgottenOdyssey Website Main Page to the Personal Testimonies; might help people find them quicker?
Regards,
Wieslaw

From: "Custance.family"
Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 21:23:52 +0100
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Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Welcome Gabriel Damaszk

You can remove yourself from the list by going into the K-S Group's main page on the web and going to Edit my Membership OR ?go into Leave Group..............in either of these places you can adjust your requirements to what ever you want. Stefan does a million and one things for us all in the group and I don't think he really has time to adjust our membership requirements. I think we should all make a note of how to do these things for ourselves, whether we are going on holiday or need to leave the group altogether(heaven forbid). I hope this answers your question okay.....and then if you prefer you can just read messages through the web site and not get inundated with e mails.

Dianne

----- Original Message -----
From: Nina Szlosberg ?
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Welcome Gabriel Damaszk

Please please remove me from this email list.
I am inundated with emails and just can't manage it
daily. Please remove me.
Could someone respond to let me know that this is getting trhough?

Stefan Wisniowski wrote:

Please welcome Gabriel Damaszk to the group.

Gabriel, you should be able to get many answers to your questions about your
grandfather, Wiktor Damaszk , by writing to the Ministry of Defense, which
holds all the records of the Polish armed forces in exile. ?Find
instructions on our website at
http://www.aforgottenodyssey.com/reference.html

Many Polish men were conscripted into the German army, and many escaped to
join Anders Army - quite a number "across the front lines" in Italy. ?
Perhaps this is how your father went across?

In any case, please let us know what you discover in your research....

Regards,
Stefan Wisniowski

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From: Razel
Hello!

My name is Gabriel Damaszk. I come from Poland. My reason for joining this group is that I'm looking for any info and any sources to find out what was my grandfather's WW II history. He was forced to serve in Wehrmacht because his family is from Kaszuby. But he escaped, crosed the East Front and got to gen. Anders finaly, and then fought with the 2nd Polish Corps for Monte Cassino. I'm trying to find out what he was doing since he left Wehrmacht and before he met Polish army on the East.His name was Wiktor Damaszk.
I hope I can find some help in this group in my reserches .
Thank you.

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From: "Halina Szulakowska"
[...] ?I was just wondering what the group thought about maybe having a K-S web section where accounts like this one could be published? They could then be a permanent testament to what happened.
Pozdrowienia,
Halina

----- Original Message -----

From: Halina Szulakowska

To: Kresy-Siberia@...

Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 5:58 AM

Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Justice and Recompense for Poles

Thank you for posting this account of your family's arrest.

?

Your father isn't the only one to have recognised one of his assailants. My mother also recognised the Ukrainian that came to arrest her family. The man had sold my grandfather a horse the previous year. My grandmother was so good-natured that, whilst packing up her belongings, she even had the heart to give the Ukrainian an asprin, because he was complaining of toothache.?

?

I was just wondering what the group thought about maybe having a K-S web section where accounts like this one could be published?

They could then be a permanent testament to what happened.

?

Pozdrowienia,

Halina

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----- Original Message -----

From: ghelon

To: Kresy-Siberia@...

Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 1:23 PM

Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Justice and Recompense for Poles

Just last week I finally managed to get my father to open-up about
the events surrounding the deportation of his family [see below].

I was shocked to learn that he could name one of the three persons
that came to my grandparents' house in the early hours of Saturday
morning 10 February 1940: one was a Russian soldier, one an NKWD
militia man and the the other the local Jewish shopkeeper whose name
was Szmojko.

To add more salt to the wound, the bloody sledge to the Radziechow
railway station was a Ukrainian farmhand.

Now why is it that Poles get no recompense for what happened, for
property loss, and way we descendants find ourselves living today?

Wieslaw [Queensland, Australia]



The Arrest

[Per Personal Statement Zbigniew HELON ~ Wednesday 24 September 2003]


On Friday 09 February 1940 my grandparents Pawe? and Karolina Helon,
who owned a Folwark in Paw?ow were visiting my parents' farm in
Krzywe.

Krzywe is located about 6-and-a-half kilometres south of Radziechów
and Paw?ow is about 8 kilometres southwest of Radziechów.

My grandparents were supposed to go back to Paw?ow late that day so
that my family could visit my grandad Józef Zieli?ski in Budki.

However the snow was really deep and soft so the trip to Budki was
put off and my parents insisted that my grandparents stay with us
the night.

We all ate a hearty meal and went to bed early that evening;
everything seemed normal.

It was sometime in the early hours of Saturday morning, 10 February
1940, that everyone was awoken by really loud banging on the door
and the yelling of a Russian soldier: "otwieraj [open the door]!"

My father opened the door at which time three men forced their way
in; one a Russian soldier pushed a rifle fitted with a bayonet
towards his face and yelled – "you sit!"

Of the others, one was a Ukrainian in the local NKWD militia, the
other – who had a scarf covering his face – turned out to be the
local Jewish shopkeeper.

As the Russian soldier violently gestured with his rifle, he shouted
to my mother: "zabieraj dziechi, i zbieraj siê [get the children and
get out]!"

But my mother stood firm and continued to dress me and my sister,
all the time pleading to be able to get some bread from the pantry.

The Russian soldier screamed to her, "only a little bit, and a bit
of meat is all you are allowed to take."

As my mother was coming from the pantry, she noticed that the man
who was previously unknown to her was desperately trying to hold his
scarf up across his face.

My mother immediately recognised him: "Szmojko [1] – why are you
doing this; where are you taking us?"

As the Russian soldier was prodding everyone on, the Jewish
shopkeeper yelled to my mother, "you never had credit in my shop
because you always had to pay in cash – now you will have neither
where you are going!"

All the time while my grandparents were trying to dress, [they were
in their late 60s] the Russian soldier gestured with his rifle for
them to move quicker, yelling at then: "Hurry up! Hurry up!"

Through all this, the militiaman was ransacking the house, turning
everything upside-down, throwing things everywhere and breaking
whatever he could.

When we all got outside there was a sledge ready to take us away; at
the helm was a previously employed Ukrainian farmhand.

My mother had barely 15 minutes to ready my sister and me and to
pack a few a things for the long journey to Arkhangelsk in Russia.

In the dead of night we were taken to the railway station at
Radziechów where there were already gathered a few hundred people,
and there we waited.

All that we had were the clothes on our backs and a few sacks with
some bread, meat and items of clothing.

I guess we were lucky though, because so many had nothing.


[1]Petform of Jewish name spelt Symcha or Szymcha; meaning "joy or
rejoicing"; Polish Szymon.




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----- Original Message -----

From: Nina Szlosberg

To: Kresy-Siberia@...

Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 7:43 PM

Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Welcome Gabriel Damaszk

Please please remove me from this email list.
I am inundated with emails and just can't manage it
daily. Please remove me.
Could someone respond to let me know that this is getting trhough?

Stefan Wisniowski wrote:

Please welcome Gabriel Damaszk to the group.

Gabriel, you should be able to get many answers to your questions about your
grandfather, Wiktor Damaszk , by writing to the Ministry of Defense, which
holds all the records of the Polish armed forces in exile. ?Find
instructions on our website at


Many Polish men were conscripted into the German army, and many escaped to
join Anders Army - quite a number "across the front lines" in Italy. ?
Perhaps this is how your father went across?

In any case, please let us know what you discover in your research....

Regards,
Stefan Wisniowski

----------
From: Razel
Hello!

My name is Gabriel Damaszk. I come from Poland. My reason for joining this group is that I'm looking for any info and any sources to find out what was my grandfather's WW II history. He was forced to serve in Wehrmacht because his family is from Kaszuby. But he escaped, crosed the East Front and got to gen. Anders finaly, and then fought with the 2nd Polish Corps for Monte Cassino. I'm trying to find out what he was doing since he left Wehrmacht and before he met Polish army on the East.His name was Wiktor Damaszk.
I hope I can find some help in this group in my reserches .
Thank you.

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Please welcome Gabriel Damaszk to the group.

Gabriel, you should be able to get many answers to your questions about your
grandfather, Wiktor Damaszk , by writing to the Ministry of Defense, which
holds all the records of the Polish armed forces in exile. ?Find
instructions on our website at


Many Polish men were conscripted into the German army, and many escaped to
join Anders Army - quite a number "across the front lines" in Italy. ?
Perhaps this is how your father went across?

In any case, please let us know what you discover in your research....

Regards,
Stefan Wisniowski

----------
From: Razel
Hello!

My name is Gabriel Damaszk. I come from Poland. My reason for joining this group is that I'm looking for any info and any sources to find out what was my grandfather's WW II history. He was forced to serve in Wehrmacht because his family is from Kaszuby. But he escaped, crosed the East Front and got to gen. Anders finaly, and then fought with the 2nd Polish Corps for Monte Cassino. I'm trying to find out what he was doing since he left Wehrmacht and before he met Polish army on the East.His name was Wiktor Damaszk.
I hope I can find some help in this group in my reserches .
Thank you.

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Please welcome Gabriel Damaszk to the group.

Gabriel, you should be able to get many answers to your questions about your
grandfather, Wiktor Damaszk , by writing to the Ministry of Defense, which
holds all the records of the Polish armed forces in exile. ?Find
instructions on our website at


Many Polish men were conscripted into the German army, and many escaped to
join Anders Army - quite a number "across the front lines" in Italy. ?
Perhaps this is how your father went across?

In any case, please let us know what you discover in your research....

Regards,
Stefan Wisniowski

----------
From: Razel
Hello!

My name is Gabriel Damaszk. I come from Poland. My reason for joining this group is that I'm looking for any info and any sources to find out what was my grandfather's WW II history. He was forced to serve in Wehrmacht because his family is from Kaszuby. But he escaped, crosed the East Front and got to gen. Anders finaly, and then fought with the 2nd Polish Corps for Monte Cassino. I'm trying to find out what he was doing since he left Wehrmacht and before he met Polish army on the East.His name was Wiktor Damaszk.
I hope I can find some help in this group in my reserches .
Thank you.

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