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Re: Emailing: Deportations 016
Witold Szymanski
Bardzo dziekuje i pozdrawiam, Witold.
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From: "Helena Danielczuk" <helena52@...> To: <Kresy-Siberia@...> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 8:26 PM Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Fwd: Emailing: Deportations 016 * KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP = RESEARCH REMEMBRANCE RECOGNITIONcitizens deported, enslaved and killed by the Soviet Union during World War Two."* Discussion site :* To SUBSCRIBE to the discussion group, send an e-mail*
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Stephen Wierzbicki MOD info
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHi Stephen
I have just read your email and I think that the
MOD have sent out a mass mailing as they have also finally written to me asking
as you said for copies of birth/death certificates and offering the British war
medal. I will have to pay ?50 for the information on my parents but at least I
will have something !!
Strangely enough on the same day I had an email
from the Hoover Institute and they have found reports which my parents wrote
while in Anders' Army which they are going to send to me. One the same day my
parents' names went the Memorial Wall....good luck certainly goes in threes
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Interesting that I read in your other email that
you came from Portsmouth ...this is where I live...coincidences???
Joasia
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Re: Welcome Joasia Kubicka
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHi Jo, ? Yes they came on Monday this week. I had to badger my mother to give them a call last Friday. They said that it would be another 3 weeks then they arrived on Monday! So probably worth giving them a call New Tel No 0208 8338603 just to see how they are doing. Mrs B Kroll was sorting my stuff out. They are very friendly and helpful. ? They don¡¯t send you the actual copies of the documents but an English transcript. The info I got was confirmation of date and place of birth, parents names, last address in Poland, arrest date but not camp name deported to. Dates of enlistment and discharge, list of theatre of operations, promotions, medals/awards and summary of former service, service and history. The information has given me some good leads for further research especially now that some dates have been confirmed. We also were given the option of receiving the British war medal 39-45. It was not issues before because he chose the Polish Army medal which at the time meant that he had to decline the British one since they were seen as the same. Hope this has not spoilt your Xmas present by telling you what is in the package!!!!! Good Luck ? Regards ? Stephen ? New address incase you did not pick it up APC Polish Enquiries. Building 28B, RAF Northolt. HA4 6NG ? ? Hi Stephen Just wondered if you had heard from the MOD ?? Still nothing from them after nearly 6 weeks !! Joasia |
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Re: Using The Polish Institute and SikorskiMuseum London UK
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHi Stefan, They certainly have some online database in the Leopold Road site since they looked up my father¡¯s details while I was on the phone and confirmed some details I gave them. ? Regards ? Stephen ? At one time George was
negotiating with the PISM to get their "description |
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Re: Using The Polish Institute and Sikorski Museum London UK
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHi Gabriel, ? Thanks very much for the offer. Can I email the attachment to you direct? Should I send it to your Yahoo address? By the way where about in the world are you? I live in Bristol, UK. Although I originally come from Portsmouth, UK. ? Let me know where I can send the extract and we can see what it was all about! ? Regards ? Stephen ? ?
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Re: Mass and Wodka, but where ?
OOps sorry forget that world is small but not that small! It is all in London UK
Bye 4 now Hela. From: Andy Golebiowski <andywbuffalo@...>_________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone |
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Re: Using The Polish Institute and Sikorski Museum London UK
razelsmith
PS. Can anyone help me translate the documents when I get them? I Hi Stephen ! I can help you with translation, no problem man. Just let me know. Pozdrawiam. Gabriel. |
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Re: Using The Polish Institute and Sikorski Museum London UK
concernedconnecticutresident
--- In Kresy-Siberia@..., "stephenwierzbicki"
<sw007c8133@b...> wrote: There is quite a delay in answering mail since all requests seem to be going through Regards Hello Group: It's been months since I've posted anything here (but I have been reading). Since my trip to Poland and Lithuania in September I have been rather out of sorts. I'm not sure why but I think it may have been all the emotion of meeting my Polish family for the first time. The good news is that I finally figured out how to add photos to my folder in the gallery so I'll be adding some of my trip soon with captions. My reason for writing tonight under this topic, is because shortly after returning from Poland I received a package in the mail from The Polish Institute and Sikorski Museum. MONTHS before (yes, it took months), I had written to them to obtain my father's family's listing in the "Index of the Repressed". I assume that's what they sent me. My SOJA grandparents, father's, uncle's and an aunt's names are on the top of a page of a listing with the name of the labor camp they were sent to, but the rest of the document is in Polish. Since I don't read Polish, would someone in the Group be able to tell me what it all says? I have added the pages to my folder in the gallery. Thank you. It's nice to be back.... Barbara Soja Revoet PS: Attention Henry Sokalowski: There are Sokalowskis listed on the same page as my Soja family. Take a look and see. Maybe they are your relatives? |
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Re: Kresy compensation for Lands Lost
zyggy_2002
I came across this link to Pravda, also about compensation. Has
anyone looked into this any further ?? Zyg --- In Kresy-Siberia@..., "B. Charuba" <baska@i...> wrote: While surfing, I came upon the following site which address thematter of compensation for those who lost property beyond the Bug River inthe Kresy as a result of event during WW II. The site is in Polish only, butthere is a section involving heirs to property who are not living in Poland,so I thought it might be of interest. c31095 767 |
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Re: Using The Polish Institute and Sikorski Museum London UK
Stefan Wisniowski
At one time George was negotiating with the PISM to get their "description
of holdings" scanned and online. This book exists and would be an invaluable resource to researchers. George, can you remind us where this initiative ended up? Stefan Wisniowski |
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Kresy compensation for Lands Lost
B. Charuba
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýWhile surfing, I came upon the following site which address the matter of compensation for those who lost property beyond the Bug River in the Kresy as a result of event during WW II.? The site is in Polish only, but there is a section involving heirs to property who are not living in Poland, so I thought it might be of interest.
? Barbara Charuba ? |
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Mass and Wodka, but where ?
Dear "Bye 4 now Hela.", I would gladly go, but please tell me what continent?they?are on :) ! We have people reading these messages from at least 4 different ones. Andy Golebiowski, Buffalo, New York, USA ? "Bye 4 now Hela." wrote: Do you Yahoo!? |
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Re: Welcome Joasia Kubicka
ladbrooke
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHi,
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I'm Linder. The MOD has just moved from Hayes,
Middleex, UK to Northholt, UK? in the last few weeks. Most of?their
records are still at Hayes, so it's taking soe tme for them to get replies out.
Plase hang on, they will get it done
Linder?
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Polscy Chlopcy
Anne Kaczanowski
I had to share this ?with the group...
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I gave my poem Polscy Chlopcy to my sister and unbeknownst to me she submitted it to the local newspaper where she lives.? Because of the length of the poem, she wasn't sure what their response would be.? Guess what?? Three editors gave up their space for this to be printed for Rememberence Day.? A page and a half.? When I gave my copies out, I inserted a prelude so that English speaking people could better understand our story and the pronounciation of a few words.?Many did not know of this tragic Polish- Siberian history.?I included this introduction into my family's copies as well.
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Well what excites me is that the paper also printed the prelude.
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This was a great way to share with the public about our families struggle for freedom and remind them of the tragic history we all share as a group.?
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??When I think of all the nations whose story might have been on that page that day ....it was?our story?Polacy.....Ours! Ours! Ours!
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I can bet it's been a hell of along time...since there ever was an article covering Poles or their dramatic past in that paper.....so I am very proud today.
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My sister says the response from the poem was so great and many wanted copies of the newspaper to read it, because they had heard about it from someone else.
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I just had to share this with you all.
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Just in case anyone else wanted the intro for their copies, I've included it here.
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Introduction ? ? Polscy Chlopcy..means Polish Men Pronounced? pols-tseh? hlop-tseh.a tongue twister. Kresylands the lands of eastern Poland that were taken over by Russia after the war in 1939, and now are part of Ukraine. Russia orchestrated mass deportations of Polish people from this area in the middle of winter, and shipped them to Siberian prisons and settlements in 1939-1940. Kresowiacy..Polish meaning the people from Kresylands Proncounced???? kres-ow-yats-tseh Swiety Boze i Matko Bosca..means Holy Father and Virgin Mary ?Pronounced..shwien-teh? bo-zheh? ee?? mat-ko? bos-ka Archangel.an area in northern Russia, east of Siberia, where thousands of people were resettled and imprisoned. Pahlevia seaport in Iran, which was called Persia in 1942.? Pahlevi is now called Bander Azali. Monte Cassino.the famous hill in Italy where the Polish soldiers beat back the Germans, and conquered the hill, opening the road to Rome for the Allies, which was the beginning of the end of the 2nd world war. Polish 2nd Corps..was an army headed by general Wladyslaw Anders and exiled Polish Prime Minister Sikorski, based in Britain.? This army of men was formed from all the deported and exiled Polish men that Stalin had sent to Russian prisons and settlements, when Russia invaded Poland in 1939.?? When Germany double-crossed Russia and invaded her,? in 1941, Stalin needed help fighting the Germans, so he released these people and let them join the Polish army,? which was formed on Russian soil and later supplied by Britain. He released them starving, sick and in rags. From the settlements were released all the mothers, children and old people and they all trudged southward from Russia to Uzbekistan where the Polish army base was situated. Traveling on foot, on barges, and on trains, thousands died along the way just trying to get out of Russia and back to their homelands. All wanted to follow the army and reach freedom.? Anders managed to get his soldiers out of Russia. Along with them, he insisted on getting out as many Polish women and children as he could. Once they arrived in Iran, some other countries agreed to take them in as refugees, until after the war.? Then all of a sudden Stalin put a stop to their departures from Russia and thousands had to remain behind after their insufferable journey southward.? After the war, they were not able to return to Poland because Russia closed the borders for them and they had to become Russian citizens. They lost their hopes and dreams of freedom. Victory parades.. were celebrated after the war, but Russia would not let the Polish soldiers march in the parade, because Poland now belonged to the USSR and they looked at the Polish soldier as an enemy of Russia.? The Polish soldiers had captured the hill in the fourth battle at? Monte Cassino, opening the door to Rome for the Allies who finally beat the Germans, and now they werent even allowed to return to their homeland without fear of being exiled again into Siberian prisons. The Brits were so embarrassed that the Polish Army made up of all these imprisoned men,? had kicked ass so good on the hill and become such a powerful army.? Britain was more interested in keeping the powerful Stalin of Russia happy and content, and so they agreed to demobilize the Polish 2nd Corps army, just to get rid of this pain in the butt they had with the Poles.? America went along with them, also trying to stay on the good side of Russia.? The Polish soldiers were given the right to immigrate to countries like Canada, Britain, New Zealand and Australia on work contracts. Some who took the chance and did return to Poland were never heard from again, and others spoke of the mistake of returning. Once the soldiers heard of what was happening on the return of the first few, thousands decided that they could never return home again.? Years later, some did, but men who had experienced Siberia, would not set foot close to that area again. They would never forget and were made to make their new homes in whatever country had accepted them.? D.P. was a name that meant displaced person and ignorant people in Canada referred to these heroic soldiers? as such.Many Polish people changed their last names to escape the harassment, and also so their names would be easier to pronounce. ? Red Poppiesin the spring covered the hillsides in Italy. ? ? ?????????????????????????????? ?
hania Do you Yahoo!? |
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Emailing: Deportations 013
Bye 4 now Hela.
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As a matter of interest does anyone recognise my families' names?
Hi,
I am Stephen Wierzbicki and have just got more information about my Father from MoD UK. Here are some details: Marian Wierzbicki was my father His parents were Jan Wierzbicki and Karolina nee Kosziolko. Originally came from Tarnopol. His last given address was Ul Koszarowa no3 m2, Sambor, County Lwow, Poland He was arrested and deported in Feb 1941 Brothers and Sisters were: Jozef, Alfons (known as Jan), Stefa, Franek and Zdiszczek If anyone thinks that they knew someone who knew them or actually knew them then please get in touch. Regards Stephen Wierzbicki |